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iain
01-11-2002, 11:13 AM
The possession of cannabis has just been legalised in the UK. Well more decriminalised than legalised. You are permitted to be in possesion of a 'personal use amount'.
Do you agree with this?

Deckard
01-11-2002, 12:20 PM
I have never smoked marijuana (nor do I have the desire to), but I don't see a need to criminalize its use. Does anyone have a reasonable argument for imposing restrictions on cannibis that are stricter than the restrictions on, let's say, alcohol?

Fordy
01-11-2002, 12:38 PM
I think decriminalising is common sense.........

I only hope that they carry on the small steps they have taken and sort this thing out properly once and for all.......

lightatdawn
01-11-2002, 04:04 PM
I dont smoke it. But I firmly believe anyone who wants to, should be able to. Its much less dangerous then alcohol... Has anyone ever heard of someone dying from a pot overdose? I didnt think so. Booze? Yes, plenty. But thats not relevant anyhow. You can protect people from doing whatever they want to themselves. Thats just wrong in my books.

So yes, I'm all for decriminalising. It should never have been criminalized in the first place.

DISGUISED
01-11-2002, 04:08 PM
I think it's a victimless crime. They spend billions world wide trying to fight it when that money could go to much better use. Alcohol and tobacco kills a lot more people every year considering I have never heard anyone dying from Marijuana. They call it addictive...I don't agree...although you can become mentally addicted. Look at caffeine, that's legal everywhere as far as I know and it's the most addictive drug on the planet. My GF has to have coffee in the morning before she can even function.

The only problem I see is that pot takes away all motivation to do anything but chill on the couch, eat, and watch some T.V. :) If Henry Ford for example, smoked a lot, we would probably all be on horseback still.

I don't think we will be seeing the same laws changed anytime soon in the U.S..that's for sure.

mithrandir
01-11-2002, 06:19 PM
No. The last thing we need in a drug dependent society is to promote the use of more drugs by legalising them.

Hillbillie
01-11-2002, 07:55 PM
You all know I've been a devout advocat of marijuana legalization...


Medical decriminalization is the most important type. I hope we can all agree with that. :)
Industrial decriminalization is the next most important. Wanna end drilling in Alaska? What about cutting down the rain forests? Legalize cannabis for industrial reasons and I swear on my mother's grave that it would solve these two problems (among many others).
Recreational decriminalization is the least important, but still an issue we should tackle. IMO, it's a person's right to choose what they want to enter their own body. I'm not gonna say it's not bad (like I use to) because that's besides the point.


...Just my 2 cents worth...

Isometric
01-11-2002, 08:56 PM
Two things:
1. To the person who said that we shouldn't legalize it becuase its just promoting it? Think of the prohibition, the drinking went up when it was illegal. I predict that a simular effect will happen with this.
2. I disagree with one part of this. The limit on having only enough for personal use. The should allow you to sell it too for 2 simple reasons A. Where are you spose to get it? If its illegal to sell but legal to use if you use it you must of committed a illegal act when buying it and B. If you can sell it you have to pay taxes which include revanue for the country/state.

Just my 4 cents(I had 2 points so...)

Sincerly,
Isometric

itld
01-11-2002, 09:12 PM
howdy,
legalization of pot is not only a good idea it is a must. the laws and the people that enforce them seem to miss the main point. THEY DON'T WORK.
i speak at treatment centers, prisons and the like as a clean junky. and i can tell you for a fact, a large percent of the folks i deal with in the slam are regular folks that liked to catch a buzz. they paid honest earned money for their stash and used it responsibly i.e. at home, away from the kids etc.
old fashioned ideals lead to old fashioned laws, based on that oral sex will get you thrown in the crowbar hotel in utah.
legalization will allow responsible people to use responsibly! the old laws will put good people in prison.
my vote is for TOTAL legalization!!
M.R.

Stoned_Coder
01-12-2002, 10:21 AM
I would love to see britain follow hollands example of decriminalisation. For too long I and many others have been labelled as a criminal just because we enjoy a different type of high to alcohol drinkers. Life is about enjoyment and i firmly believe that as long as what you do doesn't affect anyone other than yourself then you should be free to do it.
There is nothing wrong in a little smoke. Like anything else in life it can be done to excess and abused but if you are sensible cannabis is very enjoyable. You do not need to smoke it either so for instance you can make tea or cakes that will get you stoned and not harm your lungs in any way.
I personally have smoked cannabis for 17 years. I suffer from no adverse affects except the odd cough.

iain
01-12-2002, 10:41 AM
Stoned Coder it has been decriminalised in the uk, you are permitted to own a use personal use (about upto an eighth), for personal use. (since jan 1st)

However it is not legal to buy, sell or grow it - catch 22!

An even better idea would to be to have State Authorized retailers - this way you can be sure of getting what you pay for (from street dealers what you buy may have been cut with anything and it can always be dangerous), it could also be taxed and regulated. This would be the best way!

Fordy
01-12-2002, 11:15 AM
>>Stoned Coder it has been decriminalised in the uk, you are permitted to own a use personal use (about upto an eighth), for personal use. (since jan 1st)


My understanding was that the powers that be suggested that personal possession in small amounts was not worth prosecution.......and even then I dont think any concrete guidance has been given as to what constitutes a "small amount"

If so, then that is still a far cry from decriminalisation.....

Its still a worthwhile first step to follow though......I've heard that certain police authorities have piloted this scheme for a while and supposedly, no real adverse reactions have been noted.....

basilisk
01-12-2002, 02:14 PM
i've never understood the rationale behind why cannabis and some other soft drugs are illegal. Tobacco and alcohol themselves can be seen to be even more harmful - how many people die each year throughout the world due to tobacco related cancers etc or alcohol related liver diseases etc - yet governments do not ban these substances but instead pay lip service to the banning brigade (eg cancelling tobacco advertising etc) while reaping the benefits of exceptionally large tax gains.

I have known masses of people who have smoked blow etc and none of them were affected in a negative way and none of them ever went on to do harder stuff like heroin. By decriminalising we can keep drug taking above ground, maybe help people from attempting the harder stuff and removing power out of the hands of the larger pushers

Hillbillie
01-12-2002, 03:13 PM
>i've never understood the rationale behind why cannabis and some other soft drugs are illegal.<

http://www.cannabis.com/untoldstory/hemp_5.shtml

That can only speak for marijuana. There were a number of factors that got marijuana/hemp banned in the States. One of the biggies was the threat to the timber industry.

Another good source to check out is a book by the name of The Emperor Wears No Clothes. It can be found at Amazon, and talks about marijuana and all of it's uses from a non-pothead view.

iain
01-12-2002, 03:35 PM
>>a non-pothead view.

is that to say that any recreational user of cannabis is a "pot-head"?

Fordy
01-12-2002, 03:51 PM
LMFAO!!!!!

It's been revealed in todays newspapers that Prince Harry has "experimented" with cannabis on more than 1 occassion........

Well...... good for him...... at least it shows he is like the thousands of other kids his age....

It was extreamly amusing to watch Nicholas Whitchall (News Reporter) standing outside St James's Palace talking about the press statement the royals had just released...... The gravity laid on this matter is hilarious....... its as if someone died....... LOL

basilisk
01-12-2002, 04:11 PM
The gravity laid on this matter is hilarious....... its as if someone died
it really really annoys me when i read the bbc web page and this unimportant bit of trivia is the top headline especially when stories such as the shooting of someone in belfast and the suspicious death of a 13 year old in swansea are further down on the page as if they were less important.

::bassy seethes quietly in the corner and hangs another republic flag from the window::

Fordy
01-12-2002, 04:23 PM
>>it really really annoys me when i read the bbc web page and this unimportant bit of trivia is the top headline especially when stories such as the shooting of someone in belfast and the suspicious death of a 13 year old in swansea are further down on the page as if they were less important.


Exactly!.....

Often the media here seems to think its target audience are stupid old codgers with low IQ's who are only interested in the trivial things in life.....

The average daily tabloid newspaper will devote the first few pages to David Beckam's stupid tattoo or stupid hair-cut or stupid wife.......then about 5 pages back you will find things that are more serious....

:: "Dont worry Britain..... Ignore the tragedies, worries and attrocities of this world......just digest this crap and dont worry about it......." ::

:confused: :confused: :confused: :eek: :confused: :confused: :confused:

Deckard
01-12-2002, 04:49 PM
Nice to know the U.S. isn't the only one with a clueless press corps :)

CNN isn't so bad, but the broadcast networks are a little sensational. For the record, I get all my news here (http://www.theonion.com/onion3745/bandaged_bin_laden.html).

iain
01-12-2002, 05:25 PM
fordy - i could not agree with you more - the average british newspaper is full of garabge like soap news as if it were real life, celebrity news and crap like horoscopes. The important news is left for the last pages. In several papers the frst few pages are filled with soft-porn. The majority of british newspapers should be classed as comics rather than newspapers!

Most of the others are facist tory royalist suport stretched over pages and pages. There is only one british newspaper i will read.

Hillbillie
01-12-2002, 07:21 PM
>is that to say that any recreational user of cannabis is a "pot-head"?<

No, what I meant is so many pro-weed books and resources and such are written or created from a biased pro-weed point of view that is smothering to the people that are anti-weed. This isn't good for us (the pro-weed people) because it scares off people standing neutral on the issue.

The book is written in a very scientific, un-biased, optimistic type sense. It's not one of those "We should legalize pot so we can all roll a fat blunt and get stoned." type things. It's a "We need to look into the many uses of hemp because there could be a potential for hemp and marijuana in today's society." type book.

itld
01-12-2002, 10:09 PM
howdy,
maybe the tac to take is to stop comparing smoke to alcohol. the general sense of drink is the snot slinging out of control red neck crashing his pick up truck into a tree, then he goes home and beats up his wife and dog.
if the aproach was based upon the benifits of canibis without comparison to anything else maybe it wouldn't be seen as another destructive drug that destroys lifes.

the first time is an experment after that it use.

M.R.

Stoned_Coder
01-13-2002, 09:10 PM
Stoned Coder it has been decriminalised in the uk, you are permitted to own a use personal use (about upto an eighth), for personal use. (since jan 1st)

Oh really so you believe that counts as decriminalisation. An eighth would not last a day! You can go to the pub! I cant go to the "coffee shop". Thats my idea of decriminalisation.


However it is not legal to buy, sell or grow it - catch 22!
Its a freaking plant. Why cant i grow it if i want to.Again this is not decriminalisation. I could still get nicked for a small garden and probably for intent to supply carrying a penalty of up to 15 years depending. This is not right. I am a normal law abiding citizen who likes to puff rather than drink. I have a family so i can not afford to buy cannabis so i grow it. I could go to jail. Worse I could lose my family. And you say its decriminalised. Dont make me laugh!

iain
01-13-2002, 09:19 PM
i agree with you

cannabis is a Class B Narcotic, so it carries 5 years and a 1000 for possesion and 15 years and unlimited fine for traficking or possession with the intent to supply. You can only grow it with a home office licence. THe thing is there are countries in europe where it is legal and they suffer no ill consequences from health, death, socio or otherwise.

hey stonedcoder - i live in the uk too, you reckon you could post me some? :D

i still think government authorised sales would be a good move - they could control it and even tax it!

itld
01-13-2002, 09:22 PM
howdy stonecoder,
>>I have a family so i can not afford to buy cannabis so i grow it. I could go to jail. Worse I could lose my family.<<

These are exactley the people i spoke of earlier. in the good old USA the prisons are full of them. i'll bet you dont spray paraquate(sp) on yours, we leave that up to the american government.

M.R.

novacain
01-13-2002, 11:48 PM
Here in Aust, only the politicians (ACT) and South Aust have decriminalised pot.

Can grow 4 (I think in SA) or have 50g!

Here in WA it is moving that way and 50g or 2 plants is an on the spot fine, in some areas.

I know someone caught with nearly 90 mature plants (worth AU$1500-2000 each here) in thier suburban backyard, they got a AU$1,500 fine (US$750 or ST500). That included the lawyer's fee as well! (and they had done some time for harder stuff in the past as well!) Shows that the police / courts don't care but pay lipservice to the law.

Hillbillie
01-14-2002, 06:30 PM
>I know someone caught with nearly 90 mature plants<

Jeez!! Thank God he didn't get caught here in the States...

novacain
01-14-2002, 08:16 PM
90 is excessive. He had plastic flowers and tomatoes stuck to them.

I should clarify, I know a lot of lawyers not drug dealers.

Stoned_Coder
01-14-2002, 09:22 PM
He had plastic flowers and tomatoes stuck to them.
ROTFLMFAO!!!!!