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dac
11-13-2006, 02:46 PM
...since ive been on the c++ board i cant help but think the guys on their are not only extremely helpful but also very good at programming.

question is is: how many of yous have recieved formal training in programming? and for how long did it take you to get to that level?







btw im just curious as im doing a computer science degree next year hopefully and am thinking of either going into the police force or becoming a programmer.

thanks,

manutd
11-13-2006, 02:48 PM
Police or programmer? Little bit of a difference ;) Anyways, degrees go anywhere from a couple of weeks for a cursory introduction to a 4 year computer science major.

dac
11-13-2006, 02:50 PM
Police or programmer? Little bit of a difference ;) Anyways, degrees go anywhere from a couple of weeks for a cursory introduction to a 4 year computer science major.

thats what ive applied to do. 4 year bacholor of science degree. im doing it as a join honors degree with psychology. so ive got a broad range of career opportunities.

lol, year that is some difference. but im very interested in both careers tbh.

manutd
11-13-2006, 02:53 PM
You could be a programming detective pychologist :)

dac
11-13-2006, 02:56 PM
You could be a programming detective pychologist :)

you mean like, programming psychological programs to fight crime? thats one tall order! perhaps ill specialise a bit. lol

manutd
11-13-2006, 02:56 PM
Indeed. How might that effect the pyche?

dac
11-13-2006, 03:01 PM
Indeed. How might that effect the pyche?

hmm.... you could try some flashing programs which causes them to send all there details straight to ya through the program.

now that would take some programing skills!

btw. when did you come to england?

manutd
11-13-2006, 03:06 PM
On and off in college to study, and then after that as a internship/job.

dac
11-13-2006, 03:11 PM
On and off in college to study, and then after that as a internship/job.

great. to be honest im not to keen on the manc accent. my family are from Newcastle, which besides being hard to understand has a reasonable tone to it.

manutd
11-13-2006, 03:13 PM
Eh...I like it. It won't come off me and anyone I meet from England asks me if I'm from Manchester :)

dac
11-13-2006, 03:15 PM
Eh...I like it. It won't come off me and anyone I meet from England asks me if I'm from Manchester :)

lol, im applying to Chester uni for next year. is that where you went?

manutd
11-13-2006, 03:18 PM
I didn't go to school in England. In college, I visited my family there, then took an internship.

dac
11-13-2006, 03:19 PM
I didn't go to school in England. In college, I visited my family there, then took an internship.

o, i get ya.

Prelude
11-13-2006, 03:20 PM
>i cant help but think the guys on their are not only extremely helpful but also very good at programming.
We have a healthy range from absolute beginners to hardened gurus.

>how many of yous have recieved formal training in programming?
I wouldn't call a few training classes where I already knew more than the teachers "formal", so I'd say I'm completely self-taught.

>and for how long did it take you to get to that level?
Ten years.

dac
11-13-2006, 03:24 PM
>i cant help but think the guys on their are not only extremely helpful but also very good at programming.
We have a healthy range from absolute beginners to hardened gurus.

>how many of yous have recieved formal training in programming?
I wouldn't call a few training classes where I already knew more than the teachers "formal", so I'd say I'm completely self-taught.

>and for how long did it take you to get to that level?
Ten years.

OK. all i know up till now is self taught. my main hobby is car mechanics, which is far far simplar than code. however im very keen to become a programmer.

manutd
11-13-2006, 03:27 PM
Yes, I'm self-taught too. I've done math, science, computers...I run the gamut.

dac
11-13-2006, 03:28 PM
Yes, I'm self-taught too. I've done math, science, computers...I run the gamut.

clever dick. lol.

im currently studying A level Computer Science, Economics and Psychology in my last year.

i did start with Maths but dropped it as it wasnt my strong point.

Mario F.
11-13-2006, 03:29 PM
> question is is: how many of yous have recieved formal training in programming? and for how long did it take you to get to that level?

No formal training.
Have been programming for over 20 years
Only started C++ seriously 6 months ago with two false starts, one 10 years ago and another 4 years ago.
I'm consequently a proud beginner.

manutd
11-13-2006, 03:34 PM
clever dick. lol.That's not very nice :)

dac
11-13-2006, 03:34 PM
so how well paid are programmers?

dac
11-13-2006, 03:35 PM
That's not very nice :)

that was a complement! clever dick generally means sombody who is naturally intelligent.

edit: sorry if i caused any offence, i thought you would be familiar with the term.

manutd
11-13-2006, 03:36 PM
I know, hence the smile...as for pay, it depends what you're doing. Some are a dime a dozen.
EDIT: I was, I'm a clever dick after all :D

Prelude
11-13-2006, 03:37 PM
>so how well paid are programmers?
It varies wildly. In my area, an entry level position will run about $40k.

dac
11-13-2006, 03:38 PM
I know, hence the smile...as for pay, it depends what you're doing. Some are a dime a dozen.
EDIT: I was, I'm a clever dick after all :D

it must be the biggest decision ill probs ever make. dont wanna screw it up, hence the joint degree.

manutd
11-13-2006, 03:40 PM
Yeah, I did the computer science-regular science thing.

dac
11-13-2006, 03:40 PM
>so how well paid are programmers?
It varies wildly. In my area, an entry level position will run about $40k.


my word! entry level in the police force is 20,000 a year. and after 10 years is 40,000 max.

so the money is deffinately better in computers. what do you think aggregate demand for programmers will be in the near future, say 5 - 10 years from now?

manutd
11-13-2006, 03:42 PM
Again, money will depend. Prelude's estimate is probably a little higher than usual, as she's an experienced programmer. As for demand, computers are only spreading :)

Prelude
11-13-2006, 03:46 PM
>Prelude's estimate is probably a little higher than usual, as she's an experienced programmer.
My estimate was market value in Atlanta for green rookies. The more experience or credentials you have, the more you make. It usually caps out at around $90k for a senior lead position. Anything above that is more management than development.

manutd
11-13-2006, 03:47 PM
More than base in my area! I'd better move to Atlanta :)

dac
11-13-2006, 03:51 PM
More than base in my area! I'd better move to Atlanta :)

just like to say my best mate at school, well his dad owns the security company for MFC.

manutd
11-13-2006, 03:53 PM
Nice! (but random with the quote)

dac
11-13-2006, 03:54 PM
Nice! (but random with the quote)

yeah, he goes there all the time. im not into football to be honest, id prefer rugby anyday.

edit: or is that footaball over there? where they wear big protective clothing n stuff.

CornedBee
11-13-2006, 03:57 PM
The only MFC I know are the Microsoft Foundation Classes. I doubt that's what you're speaking of.

manutd
11-13-2006, 03:58 PM
I'm kinda assuming he meant MUFC: Manchester United Football Club.

dac
11-13-2006, 03:58 PM
The only MFC I know are the Microsoft Foundation Classes. I doubt that's what you're speaking of.

hmm... no not really. lol

dac
11-13-2006, 03:59 PM
I'm kinda assuming he meant MUFC: Manchester United Football Club.

yeah MUFC. 'united' kind of comes in with the M though.

manutd
11-13-2006, 04:01 PM
Of course, but putting MFC on a programming forum will get the obious question.