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oskilian
01-10-2002, 06:33 PM
Have you heard in the news about what is currently going on in Colombia?

President Pastrana ended the peace negociations and gave the terrorist group FARC 48 hours to leave the zone given to them 3 years ago. This could be the start of a new war at Colombia.

The United States' government is fully supporting all actions and during the past 24 hours, nobody knows how this is going to end.

Any comments?

Oskilian

Yoshi
01-10-2002, 06:37 PM
The US... They have so much time in their hands to fight the Taliban and the Colombians at once?

But, whatever, hope you well

oskilian
01-10-2002, 06:50 PM
well, they're not planning to directly attack (well, I hope not), but they're supporting any military actions in Colombia.

Oskilian

mithrandir
01-10-2002, 07:09 PM
Get out of Colombia would be my first move ;)

Camilo
01-10-2002, 07:21 PM
you went too far friend, I live in Colombia, I'm 17 and I don't plan to leave the following things:

-the sunset while you cycle
-the graveyard of my grandmother
-my near future university
-the beaches
-the forests
-the mountains
-the towns
-the girl that smiled to me one month ago and that I plan to see in two weeks
-my friends
-my 'arepa'
-my 'tamal'
-my old school
-the chess championships
-lot of things...

the sitiuation isn't that critical, but I need to admit that if there's a rumour about the guerrila taking Bogotà, I would be the first leaving my country but with the promise of returning.


Camilo

oskilian
01-10-2002, 07:44 PM
Originally posted by [stealth]
Get out of Colombia would be my first move ;)

Well, I hate to say this, but the war would take place very far away (about 800 Km away from home), I'm seriously concerned about the lives of thousands of colombians who do live in the conflict zone. And there's of course all of the reasons Camilo mentioned and thousands more. Let me tell you, I'd rather die for my own coutry that to live in cowardry in another country.
Obviously you don't understand 'patriotism' do you?

You might have said that as a joke or something like that, but you must understand that it is very hard to listen that, specially since more than 100000 colombians have left our country. And I'm not planning to add myself to that group.

Oskilian

Betazep
01-10-2002, 07:48 PM
Dude... he was only joking. You kids have hot tempers...

gnu-ehacks
01-10-2002, 08:00 PM
Good luck osk!

Pendragon
01-10-2002, 08:05 PM
I second that(Hiya BetazEp!:D )...

...the winking smiley;) was a bit of a giveaway.

Chill! You take things too seriously.

:)

I wish you good luck.

-Pendragon

oskilian
01-10-2002, 08:20 PM
I understand that I take things too seriously, you would understand if the pannorama was as sad as in Colombia, I tell you: more than one hundred thousand people have left the country (nearly 1% of the colombian population), and we've gotten a new sense of patriotism

however, this decision our president made makes me (and more than 90% of the colombian people) happy, there have been 3 years of lie after lie in the peace process, and there has been no progress. So it's time for this to end and go back to peace in our country. This decision is very strange, since it was the president, who year after year had given these terrorists more space and with that, made them stronger.

We first tried peace our way, and since it didn't work, we're now going to do it their way, by killing each other (I don't like that, but it seems that it's the only choice we've got)

Thank you all.

Oskilian

SilentStrike
01-10-2002, 08:27 PM
Are there any articles on the matter on things like cnn.com or the like?

Is the President corrupt or something?

oskilian
01-10-2002, 08:39 PM
>Are there any articles on the matter on things like cnn.com or the like?
well, I suppose, I'll check it out, but I'm sure there must be...

aha!, here they are!
http://cnn.com/2002/WORLD/americas/01/10/colombia.peace.reut/index.html
http://www.cnn.com/2002/WORLD/americas/01/10/colombia.rebels.ap/index.html



>Is the President corrupt or something?
well, I don't know, but the latest idea suggested that he wants the Peace Nobel price, and he was doing that to keep 'peace' in our country

Edited after gamegod's reply below:
What do you mean with 'reminder'?

Oskilian

mithrandir
01-11-2002, 12:47 AM
Originally posted by oskilian

Let me tell you, I'd rather die for my own coutry that to live in cowardry in another country.
Obviously you don't understand 'patriotism' do you?



Die for what? Too many people get themselves killed for no good reason, and even if they do, 50 years on no one will care even if you did it for the right reasons.

Yes I do understand what patriotism is, and I was only joking about leaving the country. But having said that, if it came down to your life or leaving your home, what would you choose? Why go and get yourself shot for the sake of your pride?

novacain
01-11-2002, 01:07 AM
My best friend is engaged to a Columbian refugee.

He may have to go to Columbia with her if she is refused residency.

They are trying to kick her out of the country as she came here as a student and then applied for residency as a refugee. They say they will send her back even though she was abducted because of her political activities. Some of her friends were not so lucky and are still missing.

Very complicated in Columbia made infinitely worse by the wealth generated by cocaine. Take away this money and I think the war would stop. But then you take away a traditional crop hurting the subsistance farmers.

Sunsets / sunrises are no good if you can't relax and enjoy them.

maes
01-11-2002, 02:56 AM
Good luck Oskilian and Camilo.
And I hope the conflict doesn’t escalate. And the people will find a peaceful solution to all this.

Gades
01-11-2002, 04:28 AM
Osk, Pastrana is either nuts or he's got big big nuts.
If everything ends up the way it should be, it'd be great for Colombia. Well, you don't have to worry too much until the 20 th of Jannuary, that's when the pact of Zona de Distensión ends. Then you'll know what will happend. Raúl Reyes says that they still believe in the Peace Process (for the next 48 hours only, though).

BTW, I'm sure that all the cartels in Colombia have more money than your government, so I'm glad the yankees are with you. They invest a lot of money because of all the coca coming from Colombia to the US cost (I know they do), so it's worth for them to try to erradicate this problem from its base.

Good luck man!!

Buena suerte chaval!!

kooma
01-11-2002, 11:29 AM
Hey, hey, hey... I'd like to heard the other side of the story: is it a rebel or a terrorist but these people have something they fight for. What's that reason in Colombia?

Deckard
01-11-2002, 12:26 PM
Originally posted by Wraith_Master
The US... They have so much time in their hands to fight the Taliban and the Colombians at once?
For what it's worth, the actions of the U.S. government don't always reflect the desire of U.S. citizens (or for that matter, the majority of U.S. citizens) :)

oskilian
01-11-2002, 08:42 PM
Originally posted by kooma
Hey, hey, hey... I'd like to heard the other side of the story: is it a rebel or a terrorist but these people have something they fight for. What's that reason in Colombia?
Money! what else! if they have their own zones, they can kidnap people, ask for money and (this is what gives them more money), do drug business, and while they're on this, they're fine.

>BTW, I'm sure that all the cartels in Colombia have more money than your government
Colombia (with an O, not a U, pleeeeeeease!) is not so poor as you think, they don't have all that money, and the colombian military is much more powerful and has more manpower than the guerrillas, but, with all the corruption there's in here, you will notice that war is business. And this is what lots of people think: if the 'peace' conversations end, the war starts. And that's not true!, we've been at war for about 40 years, and it gives the military more money. So the question is: does the military really wants the war to end?

Oskilian