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siavoshkc
09-24-2006, 01:35 PM
Code tag (
...[/CODE.]) is now a real problem. We should be able to solve this problem by disscussing it here. Here are some solutions disscussed up to now (which I remember):
[CODE]
S1- Code tag script which will only notify you that your post has some not tagged code.
S2- Auto code tagger (which is the best I think).
S3- Code tag button.
S4- Code tag warning pop-up for newbies.
S5- Forcing code tag for people with less than a number of posts.
S6- Hiring somebody to add code tags for newbies.

S2 and S4 are good I think.

Please send your ideas here.
Most important it needs especial attention of admins.

twomers
09-24-2006, 01:42 PM
You forgot about boycott, and take a look at quzah's signiture. Plus there's Salem's one where we can discuss this, but perhaps a fresh thread would be better.

What I can't understand though is if there is a script in existence, why is it not being used?

maxorator
09-24-2006, 01:55 PM
I like the Solution 4.

swgh
09-24-2006, 02:45 PM
All good points, but can you covince the MODS to change the format of the boards? I doubt it, and even if you could, you would be waiting ages for the site to be updated. Most people get uased to the format after a few posts anyway.

twomers
09-24-2006, 03:00 PM
Mods, no, admins ... I hope so

Mario F.
09-24-2006, 03:49 PM
S1.

It's how it was before and it worked. Far less untagged posts than we have now.

Nothing like not being able to post to turn any newbie into a faithful adept of code tags.

twomers
09-24-2006, 04:21 PM
Another one, we all adopt max's solution!!

USE CODE TAGS

Every time, until we annoy the admins enough :p

jlou
09-24-2006, 04:27 PM
Other code help forums do just fine without worrying about code tags at all. Try not to worry so much about it. When the administrators get some time, they will probably re-implement the script that was enabled before if it still works with the new forum software version. Until then, deal with it. The constant complaints about people not using code tags are more distracting than the lack of code tags, in my opinion.

psychopath
09-24-2006, 04:42 PM
If we didn't worry about code tags, what would we bicker about?

VirtualAce
09-24-2006, 04:45 PM
Other code help forums do just fine without worrying about code tags at all. Try not to worry so much about it. When the administrators get some time, they will probably re-implement the script that was enabled before if it still works with the new forum software version. Until then, deal with it. The constant complaints about people not using code tags are more distracting than the lack of code tags, in my opinion.


Here's your sign.

System_159
09-24-2006, 08:22 PM
Solution 6 sounds good to me.
I read this board enough, I wouldn't mind doing that ;)

siavoshkc
09-24-2006, 10:34 PM
You forgot about boycott,
Why boycott somebody for not knowing something? This is why this thread has been opened.

[EDIT]
About sig, no one will see it before his/her post. So it is useless, like mine.

[EDIT2]

Other code help forums do just fine without worrying about code tags at all. Try not to worry so much about it.

This can be a solution. The problem is not only a code without tag, but the reaction of members.

[EDIT3]
Just telling what solution you think is good is not enough, you should consider other's idea and make new solutions.

Why admins don't pay attention to us?

SlyMaelstrom
09-24-2006, 10:58 PM
You forgot about boycottBoycott what? Posts that don't use code tags? That wouldn't solve anything as they'd never understand why noone replied. I say we use a script. Even with it's flaws it's still better than nothing. Seriously, it's rediculous now. Nearly half the code posts have no tags these days.

maxorator
09-25-2006, 05:41 AM
Another one, we all adopt max's solution!!

USE CODE TAGS

Every time, until we annoy the admins enough :p
I was going to say that too... :D

siavoshkc
09-25-2006, 09:38 AM
If you wanna make admins angry, OK do that. But if you wanna do something useful finish bombing threads (max's solution).

twomers
09-25-2006, 10:15 AM
>> You forgot about boycott

I forgot my sarcasm tags, people!!!

maxorator
09-25-2006, 10:20 AM
If you wanna make admins angry, OK do that. But if you wanna do something useful finish bombing threads (max's solution).
But they notice it. That means it works.

Some people post some text about the question and tell them to use code tags in the normal text size and they don't usually even notice it.

Mario F.
09-25-2006, 10:22 AM
> But if you wanna do something useful finish bombing threads (max's solution).

And you think it's useful starting the Nth thread about code tags!?
Sheesh!

twomers
09-25-2006, 10:25 AM
>> Other code help forums do just fine without worrying about code tags at all.

Do they have them, and not incest on the users' use of them, or is it that they do not have them, and do not understand the aesthetic benifits which come with that snippet of code? The first is just silly (why have something which is good if it's not implemented), the second is also silly.

The question is - Do you prefer reading code that's tagged or code that's not tagged? If you prefer tagged, then you can't argue with the reintroduction of the script, if you don't, then, well, I won't insult you, but you don't.

Mario F.
09-25-2006, 10:31 AM
Guys lets get something straight here...

a couple of weeks after the forums upgrade one of the oldest moderators posted a thread asking if we thought a good idea to reinstate the script. A vast majority said yes. Only a few black sheep thought it was a bad idea. Curiously enough only a handful were bothered by the lack of the script before that thread.

It's done! Over with. Finito. Subject closed. Asta la vista baby. See ya around. Period.

When the admins have the time or will, they will solve it. No matter how many threads we start on this. Capiche?

They know! They do. Trust me. They... know.

jlou
09-25-2006, 10:56 AM
>> Other code help forums do just fine without worrying about code tags at all.

Do they have them, and not incest on the users' use of them, or is it that they do not have them, and do not understand the aesthetic benifits which come with that snippet of code? The first is just silly (why have something which is good if it's not implemented), the second is also silly.They have them, just like this site does. They request that posters use them via a sticky or FAQ or board rule or something. On one site I'm thinking of, most helpers don't mention it except for a few senior helpers who respectfully request that the user use code tags. On another site I'm thinking of, there are a bunch of smart, senior posters who help all the time, and I rarely see anybody even mention code tags even though they are used by everybody but the newbies.

So it is your first assumption- they have them but they don't insist that people use them. However, this is not silly at all, since the feature is implemented and most people do use it. It is just that only the new posters or the dense posters don't do it and nobody makes a big deal about it when it doesn't happen. People don't worry about it.

The question is - Do you prefer reading code that's tagged or code that's not tagged? If you prefer tagged, then you can't argue with the reintroduction of the script, if you don't, then, well, I won't insult you, but you don't.Who is arguing with the re-introduction of the script? Almost everybody agrees it was a good idea. And as I just said in the post you partially quoted, when the administrators have time they will probably put it back if it still works. Although if I was running this site I'd probably wait another couple months just to teach some patience. :p

twomers
09-25-2006, 11:12 AM
>> Although if I was running this site I'd probably wait another couple months just to teach some patience.

:D I have none :p

Some good points, Mario. I hope to see it reintroduced soon though


[EDIT]
On one site I'm thinking of, most helpers don't mention it except for a few senior helpers who respectfully request that the user use code tags. On another site I'm thinking of, there are a bunch of smart, senior posters who help all the time, and I rarely see anybody even mention code tags even though they are used by everybody but the newbies.
What#s this?? A friendly forum?? I don't believe it!

maxorator
09-25-2006, 11:22 AM
>> Although if I was running this site I'd probably wait another couple months just to teach some patience.

:D I have none :p

Some good points, Mario. I hope to see it reintroduced soon though

How is it even possible that a script understands where the code begins and where it ends? Do you have the best AI techonology in the world?

twomers
09-25-2006, 11:27 AM
>> How is it even possible that a script understands where the code begins and where it ends?

'Understand', impossible. Guess, possible. I guess it tests the post for instances of {, } and other programming things (<, >), etc, and guesses about them.

However, one 'bug' with the old script was that it should have given the option for you to say that something wasn't code, like if I said something like


On line 17, you should replace { with }, and take a look at the proper use of ==, != with the .c_str() method. Also look into std::string s, and if you want you can put in a using namespace std; to not have to use std:: on front of everything; it's probably better to use std::whatevers in big projects though!

it would probably say "Use Code Tags!", which is wrong, so I should have an over-ride option.

whiteflags
09-25-2006, 12:02 PM
On 4chan, all whitespace is automatically preserved by the board so you don't have to worry about code tags. I think they use non-breaking spaces or something like that ri achieve the effect.

zx-1
09-25-2006, 01:39 PM
However, one 'bug' with the old script was that it should have given the option for you to say that something wasn't code, like if I said something like



it would probably say "Use Code Tags!", which is wrong, so I should have an over-ride option.
In that scenario, use [/b]] tags. ;-)

siavoshkc
09-26-2006, 08:31 AM
As I noticed in Salem thread, I am not agree with forcing people to do something. That script only should warn the poster.

The problem has simple solutions (S1-S6), each of them can solve the problem greatly (especialy S2). And S3 is required (max's simple logic). It only needs a bit of admins care.

New poster doesn't know that he/she should use Code tags. It is not His/Her fault, so you can't ban him/her. You just say use code tags, then he/she should go and find out what is the code tag and then use it. Why not S4? It replaces max's solution.

I am worry about the forum, this is why I started this thread.


When the admins have the time or will, they will solve it. No matter how many threads we start on this. Capiche?

So why Salem started that poll? And when they will have the will?

Driver
09-26-2006, 08:47 AM
Is it not possible to introduce some fixed text immediately above the box where you enter the post text (for both new threads and replies) that says, "If you are posting code then you must use code tags, otherwise many helpers here will overlook your post"?

Or words to that effect. Make them in bold red.

That way, the poster has been warned, no need for a script (that can go wrong and not catch every instance of code, or worse, catch "code" that isn't code at all).

Mario F.
09-26-2006, 09:09 AM
> So why Salem started that poll? And when they will have the will?

Because, it hadn't been discussed before.

And... how should I know? Is it really damaging you guys so much this quotes thing. I mean, I surely would like to see the problem solved. But is it really that evil that it deserves 20 threads and an endless argument that came to a point where there are more posts than there are posters? You guys are proposing options without even knowing if the previous ones where debated or agreed between the admins. Or even if they care. C'mon!

Give it a break.

twomers
09-26-2006, 09:59 AM
But that said, would it be unrealistic to ask why it was revoked in the first place? The only problem I had with it was what I mentioned beforehand.

siavoshkc
09-26-2006, 10:42 AM
You guys are proposing options without even knowing if the previous ones where debated or agreed between the admins. Or even if they care. C'mon!

Yes, this is the problem. Admins care.

Mario F.
09-26-2006, 11:28 AM
About the problem, about the problem. That's what I meant.

Of course admins care about us and our needs. Admins are daddy and mummy all at the same time. And I feel very comfy. keep dreaming.

GanglyLamb
09-26-2006, 11:42 AM
Of course admins care about us and our needs. Admins are daddy and mummy all at the same time.

True in the end, what is a community like this without his/her ( ? ) regular users and vast amount of people who once in a while make a contribution ( hopefully ) for the best of the community.