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siavoshkc
09-03-2006, 03:42 PM
There is a C# board, OK. But C++/CLI is nearer to C++ than C#. I have an idea: Instead of making another board for C++/CLI make shared board for C# ant it.

twomers
09-03-2006, 03:49 PM
Has this not been discussed before?

Richie T
09-03-2006, 03:59 PM
>>Has this not been discussed before?

In a fair amount of detail yes:

http://cboard.cprogramming.com/showthread.php?t=80866

Frankly I couldn't care less since I'm not the one who's going to have to move all
the threads posted in wrong forums :D

siavoshkc
09-03-2006, 04:07 PM
Has this not been discussed before?
My new idea? Do you have a link to it?



In a fair amount of detail yes:

http://cboard.cprogramming.com/showthread.php?t=80866

That thread has nothing to do with this case. It says CLI is not C/C++ which is agreed. But we DO HAVE a C# board.

kawk
09-03-2006, 04:11 PM
I say C#/C++_CLI and a C++ board.

siavoshkc
09-03-2006, 04:16 PM
I say C#/C++_CLI and a C++ board.
Let me make it clear:
C (K&R)
C++
C++/CLI which is a C++ with .NET support. (with /clr it will be a .NET that supports C++)
C# A language based on .NET and has nothing to do with aboves.

Richie T
09-03-2006, 04:22 PM
>>That thread has nothing to do with this case.

You're missing the point, if you read the thread you will find that that your "new
idea" was discussed.

Anyway, there is a general aversion to the Microsoft languages on this board -
the C# board is very inactive, and although allowing C++/CLI stuff on it would
probably make it more active, do we need it? The question that should be asked
is:

If we were to support C++/CLI on CBoard, would it add to our already excellent
forum, or detract from it? Will it be helpful and informative, or will questions end
up going unanswered?

Hopefully we can answer that question. If C++/CLI was supported, I agree that
it should be merged with C#, but I voted to disagree with the poll because I
disagree with supporting the Microsoft languages on this forum. Hopefully that
clarifies my position.

VirtualAce
09-03-2006, 08:29 PM
No C++/CLI board. It has nothing to do with C++ as it stands now and is more about getting C++ to work with .NET than anything.

mrafcho001
09-03-2006, 08:44 PM
wut happened to democracy? (poll votes)

VirtualAce
09-03-2006, 09:04 PM
Who said the boards are a democracy.

psychopath
09-03-2006, 09:15 PM
As much as i'd love to see a C++/CLI board, I agree that it has no place on this board. If you have a C++/CLI question, there are plenty of other forums on the internet which are focused on .NET languages.

EDIT: 3160 total voters?? Did I read that right?

System_159
09-03-2006, 10:30 PM
EDIT: 3160 total voters?? Did I read that right?

You under-estimate the dislike of Microsoft, and it's "languages"?

Wraithan
09-03-2006, 10:44 PM
yeah... in like 6 hours, 3k votes against... i think not...

psychopath
09-03-2006, 10:51 PM
Only about 1000 active members, making 3000 votes impossible.. :rolleyes:

Salem
09-04-2006, 12:22 AM
C++/CLI questions would be best asked on the windows board, just like any other specific question to that operating system, just like win32 / mfc / whatever else. We don't need a whole board for one stinky command line option.

The C# board should be scrapped. It certainly doesn't get the traffic, and I don't think there's anywhere near enough expertese on the board to support it. It was just the result of some popularity contest, and now those people have moved on.

This board is in the top-flight when it comes to C and C++, but face it, if you want real C# support then you go find another board which deals specifically with that language, and which has a much higher concentration of experts to help.

GanglyLamb
09-04-2006, 04:12 AM
I think that for the first time since I joined this board I have to disagree.



The C# board should be scrapped. It certainly doesn't get the traffic, and I don't think there's anywhere near enough expertese on the board to support it. It was just the result of some popularity contest, and now those people have moved on.

I agree with the traffic issue, expertese issue I disagree with Salem.



This board is in the top-flight when it comes to C and C++, but face it, if you want real C# support then you go find another board which deals specifically with that language, and which has a much higher concentration of experts to help.

For each of the questions asked on the C# board, there has always been an answer ( and yes most of the time these answer come from pianorain or me but still ... )

I would certainly not like to see the C# board disappear. Pianorain and others have given me insight into some things I didn't knew about before... and vice versa as well for others with me...

This is just my opinion, which probably won't make too much of a difference since there are indeed alot less people active on the C# board then on the other boards.

siavoshkc
09-04-2006, 12:28 PM
EDIT: 3160 total voters?? Did I read that right?
Somebody has manipulated vote counts of course.

If you don't like MS you should close Windows board too.

But .NET is going to be more popular and more and more threads will be opened about it. It is not just about Windows, any device will run .NET (at least in MS's mind).

I agree that C++/CLI has nothing to do with C++ as C# doesn't. But why C# board? Close that board if it is useless. But while it exists there should be a C++/CLI board too. It is logical.

It wont hurt the forum at least. It is just a rename. C# will be "C++/CLI and C#".

zx-1
09-04-2006, 12:50 PM
How about a board for C derivatives, which could be a catch-all for all of C's estranged kin like C--, D, Objective-C, C++/CLI, et al. Hell, even demote the C♯ board and toss that in too.

twomers
09-04-2006, 01:54 PM
>> Somebody has manipulated vote counts of course.
Noo, who would dance on with behaviour like that?

siavoshkc
09-04-2006, 03:39 PM
Noo, who would dance on with behaviour like that?
Salem


How about a board for C derivatives, which could be a catch-all for all of C's estranged kin like C--, D, Objective-C, C++/CLI, et al. Hell, even demote the C♯ board and toss that in too.

Don't mix them and open another thread for each of them. Their only relativity maybe is the C character in their names.

[edit]
D doesn't have even that.

pianorain
09-04-2006, 06:14 PM
I would certainly not like to see the C# board disappear. Pianorain and others have given me insight into some things I didn't knew about before... and vice versa as well for others with me...Not surprisingly, I agree with GanglyLamb. The C# board has taught me a thing or two, and it's kinda nice having it at Cboard where the established community keeps idiot-posting to a bare minimum. However, I have to guiltily admit that the C# board probably doesn't belong. If C# does belong, C++/CLI definately shouldn't be a part of it; the two are very different. "public private" anyone? ;)
How about a board for C derivatives, which could be a catch-all for all of C's estranged kin like C--, D, Objective-C, C++/CLI, et al. Hell, even demote the C♯ board and toss that in too.Ooh...sounds like a grand idea. Now I have to search through all sorts of non-related posts to learn things about C#, and the C++/CLI programmer has to do likewise to learn things about C++/CLI. :rolleyes: Let's try to keep the noise-to-signal ratio down.

dxfoo
09-07-2006, 10:09 AM
I vote to rename the C# board to .NET. Otherwise, you'll have a C# board, VB.NET board, C++/CLI board, ... yeah, your site turns into a Microsoft board. Just having a ".NET" forum is general enough for anyone who develops in such languages, and the traffic would be much more increased in one area rather than a smaller amount in each seperate forum.

zx-1
09-07-2006, 12:05 PM
I vote to rename the C# board to .NET. Otherwise, you'll have a C# board, VB.NET board, C++/CLI board
Uh, when did anybody bring up VB.NET?


Ooh...sounds like a grand idea. Now I have to search through all sorts of non-related posts to learn things about C#, and the C++/CLI programmer has to do likewise to learn things about C++/CLI. Let's try to keep the noise-to-signal ratio down.
Oh I see. Here I am actually offering suggestions and trying to legitimize your precious C# board while it's being threatened with deletion, and I get the brush-off and a petty insult? In that case, I am now 100% behind Salem on this one: let's burn the C# board to the ground and throw the ashes to the winds.

siavoshkc
09-07-2006, 02:09 PM
I vote to rename the C# board to .NET. Otherwise, you'll have a C# board, VB.NET board, C++/CLI board, ... yeah, your site turns into a Microsoft board. Just having a ".NET" forum is general enough for anyone who develops in such languages, and the traffic would be much more increased in one area rather than a smaller amount in each seperate forum.

Once I had this idea. But VB.NET is not a good thing to be here.

pianorain
09-07-2006, 02:29 PM
Oh I see. Here I am actually offering suggestions and trying to legitimize your precious C# board while it's being threatened with deletion, and I get the brush-off and a petty insult? In that case, I am now 100% behind Salem on this one: let's burn the C# board to the ground and throw the ashes to the winds.Consider my response anything you want to, but I was trying to make a point. Why have separate boards for C and C++? Because they are two obviously different languages. If I want to know about C, I can simply go the C board and find plenty of information about it without having to browse through meaningless-to-me C++ posts. It's a very simple concept of signal-to-noise.

Merging boards just because of traffic is a bad idea. Consider the current state of the Linux Programming board. Sometimes there's traffic, and sometimes there's not. The C# board is much the same. Separate boards helps to preserve the catagorization of information so that it's more easily accessible by those that would look for it. There's also no cost for having separate boards over merged boards other than a bit of visual real estate on the main forum page.

Also, you'll notice that I tend to agree with Salem, although for different reasons. Even though I'd like the C# board to stay where it is, it's entirely probable that the board is beyond the scope of this forum.

Mario F.
09-07-2006, 02:47 PM
Only Microsoft could do something so silly that we can't even agree on what name the forum should have.

VirtualAce
09-07-2006, 11:45 PM
I say no more boards. Leave them as is and if C# is not active enough to maintain itself as a board then remove it. That's what we did with the DOS board and other boards that did not have enough traffic.

And now can we let this thread die in peace?