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Wraithan
07-18-2006, 04:26 AM
Hey,

I was just curious if there is anyone else here who is into Extreme Power Metal... I am tring to find some new music to purchase, but it is always a PITA to find good bands though all the crap that is out there...

DragonForce (fathers of the Genre) are pretty much my favorite at the moment... anyone know some other good bands that are related to Power Metal (or maybe some Melodic Death Metal) The screaming guitar solos / duels and speed of it is really what I love about it.

divineleft
07-18-2006, 06:22 AM
Rhapsody i guess.

I can't listen to power metal for more than a couple minutes, it's just a huge cheesefest.

Check out Meshuggah. Death metal rules.

Wraithan
07-18-2006, 06:29 AM
I have a lot of Rhapsody already, good suggestion though... :D

I will check them out... but I don't like much death metal, I am pretty picky when it comes to screaming or gutteral singers.

indigo0086
07-18-2006, 06:51 AM
I like one song from nightwish, dead gardens. I listen to a lot of anime/game music and the only real metal ones I have are the Guilty Gear soundtracks. Sometimes I listen to shoutcast metal stations, some gothic stations and such. I don't like a lot of metal because the lyrics are either borderline satanic, just plain negative (yeah, I really want to hear about holocost of death and burning flesh, kthnks), or annoying. Fear Factory is the exception, I love them, evne though I only have one soundtrack. But I love all kinds of music, but I only really listen to anime, game, movie soundtracks.

Wraithan
07-18-2006, 06:55 AM
indigo, you should check out DragonForce, Demons and Wizards, Blind Guardian, Dark Moor, and Firewind... most of their songs are about adventures and stuff... it is like D&D meets Metal.

indigo0086
07-18-2006, 07:01 AM
yeah, I've heard some european stuff like those, but the LoTR stuff kind of amuses me when I listen to it. The music is great, and the lyrics aren't negative, but it's just funny how they can be seriously D&D, yet be so metal. Guilty Gear is kind of like that stuff but it's only the instrumentals, and a little harder, almost like some of the non-euro metal.

divineleft
07-18-2006, 08:10 AM
Uh, medevil power metal is as bad as it gets.

If you're into that whole medevil thing but don't want cheesy music that's almost unbarable to listen to, check out neo-folk. Great genre.

Also, Meshuggah's screams are more barable than most bands. He has a grungy voice from drinking a lot so it's not sharp pitched. They're a math band so expect crazy ........ing time signitures.

Here (http://youtube.com/watch?v=z5A0q63_gbo&search=meshuggah) is one of their videos. Here (http://youtube.com/watch?v=lMASz9uCGP8&search=meshuggah) is a good bootleg. Enjoy.

All of their albums are awesome, not a single bad one. Arguably one of the best drummers in the world, as well as a highly respected lead guitarist.

divineleft
07-18-2006, 08:22 AM
Here (http://youtube.com/watch?v=qR6cWXSfR1I&search=Tomas%20Haake) is a cool video of Haake (meshuggah's drummer) along with danny carey. Probably the best percussion performance ever.

indigo0086
07-18-2006, 08:26 AM
math band? C'mon, some of these classifications are as silly as LoTR metal. I assume someone who's failed math named crazy metal "math metal"

divineleft
07-18-2006, 08:28 AM
I didn't name it, but have you listened to their music? Tell me what time signiture that video is in.

indigo0086
07-18-2006, 08:30 AM
I've heard some meshuggah and didn't like it. I've heard killswitch engage though, kind of like them.

twomers
07-18-2006, 08:35 AM
You're probably going to laugh at me, but if you want to check out crazy 'math' time signatures, you should check out flamenco music :) (completely in tune (get it, hahahahaha), with the current genres being discussed).

I recommend Paco de Lucia (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4000832980315711059&q=Paco+de+lucia)beyond anyone else! He looks like Bill from Kill Bill, and he's an unbelieveable guitarest.

But if you want a short crazy guitar-ing, check out this guy here (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3357006920437652568&q=flight+of+the+bumblebee+guitar). He looks funny, but man is he talented.

(Sorry for my guitar rant. But you have to appreciate these people! No matter what kind of music you like/don't like!)

divineleft
07-18-2006, 08:41 AM
That didn't go out of 4/4.

twomers
07-18-2006, 08:45 AM
There were two links there divineleft, which one did you mean. But yeah, you're right, I messed up my links. Fixing as we speak with the new jazzy edit box

EDIT: I actually didn't give any examples of funny timings. I was just saying in general, flamenco music has funny timings. Somewhere in the hour of Paco there will funny tunings though.

indigo0086
07-18-2006, 08:46 AM
I'm not really "impressed" as easily as some just because they can play fast. I've heard slow playing jazz musicians with more talent than fast bop players. I want good music, regardless of it being fast and loud. Honestly some of these fast metal guitarist I've heard sound like they just strum one or two strings really fast.

divineleft
07-18-2006, 08:52 AM
What bands do that?

and i agree, some jazz artists are amazing, as well as blues ect..

twomers
07-18-2006, 08:53 AM
I both agree with you, and see some flaw in what you say indigo! It depends on what they play though, and how they play it!

divineleft
07-18-2006, 08:55 AM
If you're talking about meshuggah, their tempos are relatively slow.

indigo0086
07-18-2006, 09:02 AM
I was speaking in general on what I've observed of some fast metal players. I like music that I can listen to several times and break down into drums, guitar, base, etc etc. Some metal I've heard is just so jumbled I cant tell drums from a kazoo.

twomers
07-18-2006, 09:04 AM
I agree with you on that on indigo! it's nice to be able to pick out instruments from a song, without having to guess. Kinda like ingredients in a good meal i guess.

Wraithan
07-18-2006, 09:04 AM
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8134937785993786668&q=dragonforce

at 3:25 or so there is crazy guitar playing :D.

divineleft
07-18-2006, 09:04 AM
That's how some people like it, aka grindcore.

I personally like to listen to metal because I experience the song as a whole, I can't pick out the guitars or bass or anything.


http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8134937785993786668&q=dragonforce

at 3:25 or so there is crazy guitar playing :D.
i can't get over how cheesy that band is

indigo0086
07-18-2006, 09:07 AM
On an unrelated note I was watching some drum solos of the drummer for Dave Mathhews band and wonder if there are drummers that good in metal bands.

Wraithan
07-18-2006, 09:08 AM
what is cheesy about them?

twomers
07-18-2006, 09:08 AM
I'm going to say probably on that one indigo. Do you have a video of the drummer? the drummer from Led Zeppelin was a beast!

divineleft
07-18-2006, 09:09 AM
it's hard to compare since they play completely different styles

fusion is cool

danny carey, thomas haake, and neil peart are great drummers though

Wraithan
07-18-2006, 09:11 AM
if we are talking drummers.... http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3366597770036623444&q=rush+drum+solo

twomers
07-18-2006, 09:13 AM
Bonham: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4885443865131045090&q=john+bonham+solo

twomers
07-18-2006, 09:14 AM
I wonder if Ethic will be happy to see a non-computer related thread on the GD

indigo0086
07-18-2006, 09:18 AM
Carter Beauford is his name. I saw an article where he got a drumstick stuck in his eye during one of his solos. In one of his solos he does some crazy stuff, plus his setup is pretty badass.

Raven Arkadon
07-18-2006, 12:16 PM
maybe you'd also like bands like wintersun, children of bodom, after forever (especially the album invisible circles - the others aren't that good imo), tristania (NOT the album "ashes"), angtoria, divine fire (nice heavy guitars, fast double bass, melodic keyboard, a singer with a good voice - but better ignore the lyrics ( from what i could make out it sounds too christian for my taste ), well and some other bands are kamelot, lacuna coil (ok thats not really metal imo - but related), ensiferum, epica, iced earth, symphony x, and of course the bands that were mentioned before, and bands that were not mentioned here :)

MadCow257
07-18-2006, 12:23 PM
I saw an article where he got a drumstick stuck in his eye during one of his solos.

rofl!!!! :)

bumfluff
07-19-2006, 10:48 AM
Basically, DragonForce are the best. I hope to go and see them in December.

Herman Li is a god.

indigo0086
07-19-2006, 11:15 AM
That's the one I saw http://youtube.com/watch?v=KOatIrazULw&search=Carter%20Beauford%20solo

Perspective
07-19-2006, 11:27 AM
I didn't name it, but have you listened to their music? Tell me what time signiture that video is in.

Its in 8/4. Don't be fooled by the shakey guitar, listen to the drums. its all even counts of 8.


+1 Stratovarius, Rhapsody, Blind Guardian

Neal Peart is best drummer of all time (Rush).

There are many ways to be a talented guitarist, creative jazz, technical speed metal, etc... Jason Becker is the greatest guitar player/composer of all time. Amazing technical ability with unrivaled creativity. (Check out some older speed metal from Perpetual Burn, then see some of his compositions from Perspective as he was being taken over by ALS (Lou Gehrigs Disease))

Meshuggah is ok I suppose (havent' heard that much)... if I want to listen to good crunching rock metal, I'll stick to the clasics... like Pantera.

How come Slayer hasn't come up in this thread yet? Any band that goes through drummers faster than toilet paper has to be worth a mention.

ok, i think I'm all caught up now :)

Perspective
07-19-2006, 11:27 AM
edit: double submit, I think I found another board bug

twomers
07-19-2006, 12:02 PM
>> Any band that goes through drummers faster than toilet paper has to be worth a mention

Good olde drummers - hardest band member to find! Anyone else have that problem?

MadCow257
07-19-2006, 12:13 PM
Here bass players are hind to find. The only one I knew got expelled :(

bumfluff
07-19-2006, 12:14 PM
http://www.tyranno.co.uk/showthread.php?goto=newpost&t=1711

Check out the drum solo on that, that guy is just going into S2 (Scottish School Year) so is probably about 12-13, jeez.

twomers
07-19-2006, 12:14 PM
But a bass only has 4 (sometimes more), strings. How can someone who only has to concentrate on 4 strings be hard to find? How big was where he got expelled from?

EDIT: (inserted sarcasm tags)

Wraithan
07-19-2006, 12:18 PM
Being able to play it and being good at it are 2 different things heh... Most of the people in bands around here hare issues finding singers... especially the metal bands that want real singing.