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SlyMaelstrom
05-04-2006, 07:30 PM
Anyone else think there should be some major changes in the legality and penalty for producing or being endorsed by spyware?

I mean, it really doesn't seem that hard. Every time I get some spyware I get the same popups from the same companies offering the same scams. Shouldn't these companies get in some sort of trouble? What they do corrupts peoples computers, makes them lose important data... I personally think it's much worse of a problem than it's treated.

I know you can't really govern what's on the internet because it's completely international, but I believe if it were pushed, there could be some sort of international act that penalizes these spyware developers.

anonytmouse
05-04-2006, 07:45 PM
Good luck with that. I've heard it worked for spam, child porn and pirated music. All have disappeared from the internet.

SlyMaelstrom
05-04-2006, 08:19 PM
Punishment is the only answer. I think all internet crimes should have their sentence carried out in one of those countries where any crime is settled with an equivocal number of lashes.

anonytmouse
05-04-2006, 08:23 PM
Do we really want every element of the internet regulated and legislated? Personally, I like the fact that you can say ........ on the internet. ........, it's already happened! :p

SlyMaelstrom
05-04-2006, 08:40 PM
No, not every element. I think the internet should be a place with a lot of freedom. But a freedom o'so valuable to the internet experience is the freedom to refuse what you don't want. If people don't want to see the endless amount of porn, they should be able to avoid it. If people don't want to see advertisements, they should be able to avoid it. Nothing should be forced upon you.

Imagine television... except imagine a television where the show didn't take breaks when the advertisements came on. They just happened... and when you change the channel, they make sure to send an ad with you because you're trying to avoid them and they know that.

valis
05-04-2006, 10:08 PM
Just run as a normal user (as everyone should) and get a spyware murdering utility that doesn't suck like ad-aware. There would be no good way to stop it unless it was globally attacked.

SlyMaelstrom
05-05-2006, 02:54 AM
Just run as a normal user (as everyone should) and get a spyware murdering utility that doesn't suck like ad-aware. There would be no good way to stop it unless it was globally attacked.

Yeah, but isn't that kinda like saying, "You can't stop crazy people from throwing bricks in your windows, so just get some thick damage proof windows so they don't do as much damage." When things are a threat, the first priority to stop it is to keep it from happening not keep it from affecting you.

whiteflags
05-05-2006, 07:31 AM
Well it is at least a little safer for the time being, instead of waiting for the world to become a better place, and totally ignoring all the spyware murderers already around.

joeprogrammer
05-05-2006, 09:56 AM
No, not every element. I think the internet should be a place with a lot of freedom.

I agree. I ad-blocked your avatar because that stupid dancing milk jug really gets to me after a while. :)

indigo0086
05-05-2006, 10:01 AM
"You can't stop crazy people from throwing bricks in your windows, so just get some thick damage proof windows so they don't do as much damage."


...as my father used to say.

ElastoManiac
05-05-2006, 10:40 AM
We are all evoluting : from monkeys we turned into humans, decades later we'll become advertisment free creatures.
I hate this advertisment monopoly...
I'm willing to start a war to prevent it, anyone with me ?

SlyMaelstrom
05-05-2006, 12:56 PM
We are all evoluting : from monkeys we turned into humans, decades later we'll become advertisment free creatures.
I hate this advertisment monopoly...
I'm willing to start a war to prevent it, anyone with me ?

Ads suck... let's kill a human. :)

ElastoManiac
05-06-2006, 12:42 AM
Everyone is a victim of ads. Even the ones who make them.
So if we could just explain to everyone that they are bad, maybe the world will become add free.
And if it doesn't we might kill a human!

kawk
05-06-2006, 11:06 AM
I hate non-text ads myself. Text ads are fine.


I also hate spyware. Thats why I use Linux. :P

SlyMaelstrom
05-06-2006, 11:17 AM
Ads, I don't mind.

If a website needs ads to help pay for their web hosting and they make the user fully aware that they're on the site, then I have no problem. Cprograming.com has ads on their site and they don't bother me. I just don't like getting software on my computer that harm it and interfere with its use.

All they have to do is up the penalty. If it wasn't worth it, people wouldn't do it. I mean, we know who they are. They're on the ads. If a spyware displayed a Pepsi ad and Pepsi was truly paying the spyware software to place that ad, then Pepsi should be fined greatly.

Rash
05-06-2006, 12:26 PM
Defeating spyware and adware should be a technological issue. You shouldn't try to fix technical or user-interface problems of certain operating systems with laws; you should fix the operating system.

valis
05-06-2006, 01:20 PM
Very true, although easier said than done. Windows really isn't all that terrible (from the user's perspective, developers have much better reasons to complain) they just accumulate poor decisions over time--like making the display system run at ring 0 and making the initial user account an admin. Vista will do a bit better because all drivers have to be signed, although it's only a matter of time before that is bypassed I imagine. I prefer *nix anyway.

Salem
05-06-2006, 01:42 PM
A small light in the darkness...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/4978426.stm

SlyMaelstrom
05-06-2006, 01:57 PM
That's good news, Salem. I think there should be a lot more than that. Not just on the spyware developers, I think the advertisers should be fined as well if they knew how their ads were displayed.

Has anyone's computer been so riddled with spyware that they've actually left it alone for a few hours with no browser open only to come back to a desktop with 50 ads on it?

To the guys saying we shouldn't fine them, we should stop them with technology, I personally feel, there really is no stopping them in that manner. Everything can be got around. Everything.