View Full Version : What the jip is up with wiki?

12-21-2005, 04:53 PM
Even though 'evolution' has far more holes than the fact of creation, it is embraced by the scientific community. However, because of the lack of truth involved in evolution, it can only be described as a theory that is hardly scientific, as some like to claim

It begins it's section on evolution with that!?


12-21-2005, 05:02 PM
You must have a different page to me, because I see none of that text on that page....

12-21-2005, 05:05 PM
Yeah, in any event, Wikipedia is user submitted content and isn't really a great resource for things like that.

12-21-2005, 06:16 PM
My guess is a creationist went in and edited the page.

That's always the problem with user submitted content, very easy to modiy stuff to support their point of view.

12-21-2005, 06:22 PM
Ah i see, i didn't realise anyone could edit it, cheers for the info.

Though you don't see that text (actually its a link to the entry for "biology") as present yet, when i look at the address i posted i do see it, what's up with that?

EDIT: aha it's gone, someone has nabbed it.

12-21-2005, 06:24 PM
That's such an obviously absurd claim; as Dweia said, some ignorant creationist must have put that there.

12-21-2005, 06:57 PM
What's a jip?

12-21-2005, 07:10 PM
It's quite interesting to go looking back the the previous versions of it. There was a bunch of people changing the size of the image on the main page back and forth, because they disagreed about how big it should be ><

Here's a lovely previous version (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Evolution&diff=next&oldid=30757984)

12-22-2005, 06:48 AM
Someone's a little upset that the Dover judge rules against those ID wackos.

Fun fact: "Nature" recently did a review of wikipedia, and found it to be just about as accurate as Encyclopedia Britannica.

edit: Charles Darwin is one scary looking mofo.

12-22-2005, 01:00 PM
What's a jip?

Ah, that is a great mystery, many years have been devoted to discovering what the jip actually is. So far we only have the tentative hypothesis that the jip is somehow crisp related.

Fun fact: "Nature" recently did a review of wikipedia, and found it to be just about as accurate as Encyclopedia Britannica

That's really cool. Is it editable and re-editable by anyone? I mean i'm suprised that the more contentious issues like evo are not constantly being rewritten into polar opposites. (Maybe they are and i haven't noticed)

12-22-2005, 01:14 PM
That's really cool. Is it editable and re-editable by anyone? I mean i'm suprised that the more contentious issues like evo are not constantly being rewritten into polar opposites. (Maybe they are and i haven't noticed)They can be, but there's a good sized group of administrators that works on the site. They are pretty good at preventing/fixing the kind of vandalism you ran into.

Here's that Nature article:

Special Report
Published online: 14 December 2005

Internet encyclopaedias go head to head

Jimmy Wales' Wikipedia comes close to Britannica in terms of the accuracy of its science entries, a Nature investigation finds.

Jim Giles

One of the extraordinary stories of the Internet age is that of Wikipedia, a free online encyclopaedia that anyone can edit. This radical and rapidly growing publication, which includes close to 4 million entries, is now a much-used resource. But it is also controversial: if anyone can edit entries, how do users know if Wikipedia is as accurate as established sources such as Encyclopaedia Britannica?

Several recent cases have highlighted the potential problems. One article was revealed as falsely suggesting that a former assistant to US Senator Robert Kennedy may have been involved in his assassination. And podcasting pioneer Adam Curry has been accused of editing the entry on podcasting to remove references to competitors' work. Curry says he merely thought he was making the entry more accurate.

However, an expert-led investigation carried out by Nature — the first to use peer review to compare Wikipedia and Britannica's coverage of science — suggests that such high-profile examples are the exception rather than the rule.

The exercise revealed numerous errors in both encyclopaedias, but among 42 entries tested, the difference in accuracy was not particularly great: the average science entry in Wikipedia contained around four inaccuracies; Britannica, about three.

Considering how Wikipedia articles are written, that result might seem surprising. A solar physicist could, for example, work on the entry on the Sun, but would have the same status as a contributor without an academic background. Disputes about content are usually resolved by discussion among users.

But Jimmy Wales, co-founder of Wikipedia and president of the encyclopaedia's parent organization, the Wikimedia Foundation of St Petersburg, Florida, says the finding shows the potential of Wikipedia. "I'm pleased," he says. "Our goal is to get to Britannica quality, or better."

Wikipedia is growing fast. The encyclopaedia has added 3.7 million articles in 200 languages since it was founded in 2001. The English version has more than 45,000 registered users, and added about 1,500 new articles every day of October 2005. Wikipedia has become the 37th most visited website, according to Alexa, a web ranking service.

But critics have raised concerns about the site's increasing influence, questioning whether multiple, unpaid editors can match paid professionals for accuracy. Writing in the online magazine TCS last year, former Britannica editor Robert McHenry declared one Wikipedia entry — on US founding father Alexander Hamilton — as "what might be expected of a high-school student". Opening up the editing process to all, regardless of expertise, means that reliability can never be ensured, he concluded.

Yet Nature's investigation suggests that Britannica's advantage may not be great, at least when it comes to science entries. In the study, entries were chosen from the websites of Wikipedia and Encyclopaedia Britannica on a broad range of scientific disciplines and sent to a relevant expert for peer review. Each reviewer examined the entry on a single subject from the two encyclopaedias; they were not told which article came from which encyclopaedia. A total of 42 usable reviews were returned out of 50 sent out, and were then examined by Nature's news team.

Only eight serious errors, such as misinterpretations of important concepts, were detected in the pairs of articles reviewed, four from each encyclopaedia. But reviewers also found many factual errors, omissions or misleading statements: 162 and 123 in Wikipedia and Britannica, respectively.

Editors at Britannica would not discuss the findings, but say their own studies of Wikipedia have uncovered numerous flaws. "We have nothing against Wikipedia," says Tom Panelas, director of corporate communications at the company's headquarters in Chicago. "But it is not the case that errors creep in on an occasional basis or that a couple of articles are poorly written. There are lots of articles in that condition. They need a good editor."

Several Nature reviewers agreed with Panelas' point on readability, commenting that the Wikipedia article they reviewed was poorly structured and confusing. This criticism is common among information scientists, who also point to other problems with article quality, such as undue prominence given to controversial scientific theories. But Michael Twidale, an information scientist at the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign, says that Wikipedia's strongest suit is the speed at which it can updated, a factor not considered by Nature's reviewers.

"People will find it shocking to see how many errors there are in Britannica," Twidale adds. "Print encyclopaedias are often set up as the gold standards of information quality against which the failings of faster or cheaper resources can be compared. These findings remind us that we have an 18-carat standard, not a 24-carat one."

The most error-strewn article, that on Dmitry Mendeleev, co-creator of the periodic table, illustrates this. Michael Gordin, a science historian at Princeton University who wrote a 2004 book on Mendeleev, identified 19 errors in Wikipedia and 8 in Britannica. These range from minor mistakes, such as describing Mendeleev as the 14th child in his family when he was the 13th, to more significant inaccuracies. Wikipedia, for example, incorrectly describes how Mendeleev's work relates to that of British chemist John Dalton. "Who wrote this stuff?" asked another reviewer. "Do they bother to check with experts?"

But to improve Wikipedia, Wales is not so much interested in checking articles with experts as getting them to write the articles in the first place.

As well as comparing the two encyclopaedias, Nature surveyed more than 1,000 Nature authors and found that although more than 70% had heard of Wikipedia and 17% of those consulted it on a weekly basis, less than 10% help to update it. The steady trickle of scientists who have contributed to articles describe the experience as rewarding, if occasionally frustrating (see 'Challenges of being a Wikipedian').

Greater involvement by scientists would lead to a "multiplier effect", says Wales. Most entries are edited by enthusiasts, and the addition of a researcher can boost article quality hugely. "Experts can help write specifics in a nuanced way," he says.

Wales also plans to introduce a 'stable' version of each entry. Once an article reaches a specific quality threshold it will be tagged as stable. Further edits will be made to a separate 'live' version that would replace the stable version when deemed to be a significant improvement. One method for determining that threshold, where users rate article quality, will be trialled early next year.

12-22-2005, 01:32 PM
Fascinating article, i really have to start reading Nature again.

12-22-2005, 03:05 PM
Ah, that is a great mystery, many years have been devoted to discovering what the jip actually is. So far we only have the tentative hypothesis that the jip is somehow crisp related.

:rolleyes: UKers... (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crisps)

But how is this (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mister_Jip) related?

Rashakil Fol
12-22-2005, 07:58 PM
What the jip is up with wiki?

That's not Wiki. This (http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?WelcomeVisitors) is.