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howeezy
10-17-2005, 11:44 PM
Hi, I am a freshman at the University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee. I am a CS major. I also hate programming. I know, I'm in the wrong major. I also hate the ridiculous amounts of math I have. I know I can do the math, it shows on my k-12 test scores, but I just have a hard time motivating myself to do the work to further myself in a major I already hate.
Now the only other major I think I would like, is the Management Information Systems. From what I understand this is basically an IT tech. I had a long talk with an undergraduate counselor who eavesdropped and snatched me up right before I switched to that major. He explained to me why outsourcing is more likely in that field than computer scientists or engineers because of their lower skill level. He told me that MIS majors start out around 30K while CS majors start at round 40K. I'm hoping I win the powerball on wednesday. The only other major I could see myself doing is Political Science, but I don't want to be a politician and I don't want to go to law school, so I'm pretty dry there.

I don't really know what kind of answer I'm looking for... just some insight maybe? Yeah this kinda sucks :(
Idk

Howard

rockytriton
10-18-2005, 07:24 AM
MIS degree is a cop-out "computer" degree. It's the "I don't wanna do math" degree, and the "I just wanna take the easy computer classes" degree. While that's all fine and dandy, it means that too many people have them. My brother-in-law works at Outback steakhouse and their cook has an MIS degree. That should tell you how flooded the market is with IT/IS type degrees. This is the D.C. area too.

If you really don't like it, don't do it, but don't waste your money on a degree just so you can get a degree "in computers". There are plenty of other fields you can get into, maybe take a year or so to find what it is you want to do before jumping into a specific degree. If you are into science at all, maybe get a degree in physics or something, if not, well, maybe get into political science and start your own internet blog. Get some wacky right or left wing opinions and people are sure to flood to your site and send your google ad revenue skyrocketing.

Govtcheez
10-18-2005, 07:34 AM
> I'm hoping I win the powerball on wednesday.

Too bad, sucker! It's allllll mine!

(I'll give you a grand when I win, though)

ober
10-18-2005, 08:03 AM
This is the D.C. area too.
What area of DC? And are you from the same area? I'm from "around" there.

And I have to agree with the others to some extent. While money isn't everything, getting an MIS degree is a dead end. Do something you enjoy, not something that you only partially like.

howeezy
10-18-2005, 08:19 AM
ughhh its a hard decision. People keep telling me that it doesnt matter this early, but I'm taking 2 math classes, 2 compsci classes, an english and an economics. So most of my schedule is dedicated to the compsci major.

Govtcheez
10-18-2005, 08:30 AM
As a freshman, you're not stuck on anything. Even if you switch to Theology or Professional Wrestling Appreciation, you can still transfer them as electives or something.

Also, don't be so sure that your degree will be your career until the end of time. I've got a Comp Engineering degree, and I push paper all day. I don't know if I could do any engineering, at this point.

ober
10-18-2005, 09:36 AM
Yeah, I was going to say something similar... I heard a stat not too long ago that less than 40% of people with college degrees end up working in the field their degree is in.

howeezy
10-18-2005, 10:07 AM
maybe a degree in communication?? wouldnt that be pretty much universal for any managerial position?

Govtcheez
10-18-2005, 10:17 AM
No, the pretty constant degree for a real managerial position is a Management degree :)

Seriously - communications and polisci are about as generic as you can possibly get. I'd suggest getting something more specific.

howeezy
10-18-2005, 10:19 AM
im lost in college :(

okinrus
10-18-2005, 11:28 AM
Hi, I am a freshman at the University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee. I am a CS major. I also hate programming. I know, I'm in the wrong major. I also hate the ridiculous amounts of math I have. I know I can do the math, it shows on my k-12 test scores, but I just have a hard time motivating myself to do the work to further myself in a major I already hate.

"I hate programming" is kind of general. You shoould tell us why you hate programming; it might just be related to one single class or teacher.




He told me that MIS majors start out around 30K while CS majors start at round 40K. I'm hoping I win the powerball on wednesday. The only other major I could see myself doing is Political Science, but I don't want to be a politician and I don't want to go to law school, so I'm pretty dry there.

Political science majors don't have to go into politics.

rockytriton
10-18-2005, 11:32 AM
What area of DC? And are you from the same area? I'm from "around" there.


I work on Alexandria VA, and live in Stafford VA. But I've lived and worked around all sides of the capitol beltway.

ober
10-18-2005, 11:37 AM
Ahh... I live in Frederick, MD... but I work farther west of there in Hagerstown, MD.

howeezy
10-18-2005, 11:50 AM
Well, I don't really hate programming, I just can't see myself doing it forever. I don't know why. I'm really confused. It just seems that everything else that I would enjoy doing wouldn't get me as far as a technical degree.

Govtcheez
10-18-2005, 12:07 PM
Well, what do you enjoy?

rockytriton
10-18-2005, 12:16 PM
and what do you mean by "get you far"? Do you mean far in happiness or far financially? I would think farther in happiness would be better.

Govtcheez
10-18-2005, 12:28 PM
You can't pay bills with a smile.

(I should crochet that into a pillow)

rockytriton
10-18-2005, 01:07 PM
You can pay bills with a job that you like. You don't need to make 120K to be able to pay your bills, just live to the extent that you can afford.

nickname_changed
10-18-2005, 06:24 PM
>> Well, I don't really hate programming, I just can't see myself doing it forever. I don't know why. I'm really confused. It just seems that everything else that I would enjoy doing wouldn't get me as far as a technical degree.

Most programmers won't do it forever. I certainly won't. Maybe 5-8 years at the most. Why would you want to one thing all your life? Most programmers do it for a while, then become project managers or start their own business (sometimes shrinkwrap, more commonly consulting).

I like this:

A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects.

-Robert A. Heinlein

howeezy
10-18-2005, 09:17 PM
I thought about it all day. I think I want to be a cop. I really think I could enjoy being a cop.

good quote, btw

rockytriton
10-19-2005, 06:17 AM
yea, shooting people is much more fun that programming!

Govtcheez
10-19-2005, 06:46 AM
Good luck, weezy.

Thantos
10-19-2005, 06:50 AM
You can't pay bills with a smile.

Unless of course you are the trophy wife of an 80+ year old

Sysop_fb
10-19-2005, 07:50 AM
I tried to specialize in one field of IT, networking.
It didn't work out. From there I got a job doing networking, telecommunications, UNIX administration. After getting burnt out I moved on to programming basically teaching myself but my company used my code in production level allowing me to put it on my resume as work experience :)
From here who knows eventually I'll get burnt out on programming and maybe move on to something else in IT or something not even associated with IT.
Still young after all always been interested in IT security, as well as a cop to(lot of family members who are cops) and not to mention the military!

BobMcGee123
10-19-2005, 08:09 AM
Third year electrical engineering major friend of mine made a sudden change over to spanish.

I'm sure you will find something else and be fine, even if nobody has any idea what your interests actually are!

cboard_member
10-19-2005, 08:19 AM
Third year electrical engineering major friend of mine made a sudden change over to spanish.

I'm sure you will find something else and be fine, even if nobody has any idea what your interests actually are!

What qualifications do you hold Bob mah dude?

Decrypt
10-19-2005, 02:12 PM
People keep telling me that it doesnt matter this early
These people know what they're talking about. This is just part of college. I switched my major (either in my head or officially) more times that I care to remember. :( You'll find something you like. As was said before, the credits you're taking now will most likely help you with whatever major you end up in. Some will help as electives, others will fit in your program. Don't sweat that part. You have plenty of time.

As for playing powerball, the lottery is a tax on people who are bad at math.

(That being said, for $340M, even I'll be buying a ticket on my way home from work. :) )

Thantos
10-19-2005, 02:29 PM
According to a former professor of mine the average number of times a college student switches their major is 4. Just food for thought

ober
10-20-2005, 06:08 AM
That's most likely true. I'm one of the few out of the majority of my friends that went in and came out with the same major.