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ChadJohnson
07-10-2005, 06:07 AM
In my program I want to use the Bible modules from e-Sword. I looked at them and they're just Access Databases with a password, and there's tools on the Internet that can easily get the password.

e-Sword is a free program, and most of the Bible modules are free too. So if I made it so my program could use these files, could I get sued by e-Sword?

I don't see how this would be any different than what OpenOffice does if I got permission to use those texts from the copyright holders (if there are any).

Govtcheez
07-10-2005, 07:01 AM
I think it'd be easier to just ask the person who created it.

Even if it's not illegal, it's still a pretty crappy thing to do.

ChadJohnson
07-10-2005, 07:30 AM
I really don't think it's a crappy thing to do. I have my own indexed format, but I would like to make it easy for users and allow them to use existing modules that they might already have.

Dave Evans
07-10-2005, 07:54 AM
I looked at them and they're just Access Databases with a password, and there's tools on the Internet that can easily get the password.

e-Sword is a free program, and most of the Bible modules are free too. So if I made it so my program could use these files, could I get sued by e-Sword?



Two questions here:

Here's the one you asked:
1. Can I get sued?

Answer: You can get sued by anybody for anything at any time.

Here's the one you didn't ask:
2. Is it illegal?

Answer: In the U.S. there is something called DMCA. Here's a link (http://www.chillingeffects.org/anticircumvention/faq.cgi)

If you as an individual circumvent an access control mechanism of a copyrighted work without permission of the copyright owner, you are in violation. Yes, it's true (http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/openlaw/DVD/1201.html#a)



Regards,

Dave

Govtcheez
07-10-2005, 08:00 AM
I really don't think it's a crappy thing to do. I have my own indexed format, but I would like to make it easy for users and allow them to use existing modules that they might already have.
That's true, but you're still taking the work that one of your competitors did and passing it off as your own.

Hunter2
07-10-2005, 04:29 PM
And, stealing business if users are switching to your program, and still using e-Sword's modules ;)

ChadJohnson
07-10-2005, 05:14 PM
So what do you guys think about what OpenOffice has done?

Hunter2
07-10-2005, 05:18 PM
Dunno. Isn't it run by the same people?

ChadJohnson
07-10-2005, 05:22 PM
What I mean is they reverse engineered Microsoft's .doc format.

ChadJohnson
07-10-2005, 05:39 PM
The thing is, the guy himself does not own the text contained within those modules.

ober
07-10-2005, 06:02 PM
What I mean is they reverse engineered Microsoft's .doc format.Proof? Besides, I don't believe MS got a patent on a file format. You're talking about using actual modules from another app.

major_small
07-10-2005, 06:07 PM
Proof? Besides, I don't believe MS got a patent on a file format. You're talking about using actual password-protected modules from another app.fixed :D

going back to the OP for a moment: if you mean that e-Sword used open modules, then sure, but get the modules for yourself, but don't crack them open from e-Sword--that, like others have said, would be pretty crappy.

If, however, the modules are open, and weren't created explicitly for e-Sword, then go on ahead and (with permission) use them from the source.

Govtcheez
07-10-2005, 06:14 PM
The thing is, the guy himself does not own the text contained within those modules.
What, you mean the Bible? Of course he doesn't. He put his time and effort into dividing it into useful modules, though.

ChadJohnson
07-10-2005, 06:39 PM
I want you guys to know that before I even created this thread I e-mailed the e-Sword guy and asked him about this (haven't received a response yet though). I'm not really going to do this if the guy has a problem with it. I'm really am not trying to create any quarrels - I don't know the ins and outs of this type of thing, so I thought I'd just ask and learn.

So I hope no one is angry or upset.

major_small
07-10-2005, 07:40 PM
like I said earlier - go to the creator of the modules (if they're open and/or free). if eSword is using their own modules, they may want to charge you or may even give them to you for free. if eSword is using somebody else's modules, they may just give you contact information for whoever made the modules. in the end, it comes down to who created the modules and if they have any special arrangements with eSword.

along this topic, IIRC, somebody not too long ago was creating something like this and was looking for help with a name for it... you may want to find and ask them what they did...

edit: nevermind... that was you (http://cboard.cprogramming.com/showthread.php?t=63905&highlight=eSword) :p

Govtcheez
07-11-2005, 07:13 AM
I want you guys to know that before I even created this thread I e-mailed the e-Sword guy and asked him about this (haven't received a response yet though). I'm not really going to do this if the guy has a problem with it.
Well, that's cool. I didn't realize you had already asked him.