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Jez
06-07-2005, 11:56 AM
http://www.anandtech.com/tradeshows/showdoc.aspx?i=2438

Somebody here must have an opinion on this.

My first thought was "How long before MS releases windows for the MAC?"

My second thought was "It was nice to have a choice of CPU architecture" - I had considered a Mac just to get a chance to play with the Altivec chip - I'm not keen on the x86 programmers model.

sean
06-07-2005, 12:01 PM
Didn't see that one coming...

Brian
06-07-2005, 12:13 PM
They are still going to use a foreign chipset.

B0bDole
06-07-2005, 12:20 PM
Like brian said, with all their weird hardware it wont matter what arc the proc is, you wont be able to load up usual x86 operating systems or anything.

B0bDole
06-07-2005, 12:21 PM
and a interesting side note, Tiger has a x86 build.

SMurf
06-07-2005, 12:27 PM
AFAIK, all that is happening is that Apple is switching from IBM to Intel for their PPC chips. Intel is a chip manufacturer first and foremost, give them a design (and some $$$ incentive) and they'll make what you want.

For Apple to switch to the x86 architecture would be a bit silly, because it would expose them to clones and break their monopoly, as what happened with IBM and the PC.

ober
06-07-2005, 12:32 PM
>>My first thought was "How long before MS releases windows for the MAC?"

Yeah, because MS follows Intel around :rolleyes:

This isn't all that shocking... but I think the big thing that will be shocking for Apple is how many customers they use. I know a lot of people that buy Macs because they're "different"... and a lot of them are not Intel fans.

Pete
06-07-2005, 12:33 PM
For Apple to switch to the x86 architecture would be a bit silly

They already have, and the article (http://www.anandtech.com/tradeshows/showdoc.aspx?i=2439) I read said that Apple said themselves that Windows should run on it.

Also, I think it could increase the number of Macs bought... I'd have one of the new macs if it wasn't for the OS and compatibility. By running windows I'll be able to have the cool case and standard OS. But it won't bother Apple if I run windows, as I'll have already paid for OS X by buying the machine in the first place... quite clever marketing really.

Pete

DrakkenKorin
06-07-2005, 08:39 PM
virtual pc - run winderz on mac osx

in other news, tiger's available.

Perspective
06-08-2005, 05:38 PM
They have been doing x86 builds of OSX for the past 5 years, they just didn't tell anyone ;) </not-joking>

I'd buy one just so i can run OSX and an x86 linux distro. Hunting around for ppc packages and having to build everything else from source just isn't that appealing. I like the x86 move.

B0bDole
06-08-2005, 05:44 PM
>having to build everything else from source

I actually dont mind building things from source. Its almost as easy as clicking [install], just ./configure (if available) make, make isntall

SMurf
06-09-2005, 02:02 AM
Yeah, Linux source compilation is pretty tight I reckon, the only problem being that you have to have (for most people) the compiler packages installed. For non-programming newbies, that may be viewed as a bridge too far. :rolleyes:

Does this mean that the Endian Wars are over? :D

B0bDole
06-09-2005, 05:44 AM
>that may be viewed as a bridge too far.
yah but most distros have a nice little package manager that you can search for and install any dependancies you need :)

VirtualAce
06-09-2005, 07:37 AM
Intel x86 won. I knew it would. Don't get me wrong, RISC is awesome and fast, but CISC is far more flexible. I guess if you can't beat em, join em.

This will help the computer industry and the consumer because now we may actually have a standard that everyone abides by on the PC. Will make developing cross-platform much easier....and may in the long run hurt the Java camp since their main push is portability...which if this takes off.......is not an issue anymore with the PC.

Having a different architecture has really hurt Apple IMO. Granted their architecture is faster, but as history has shown...the best inventions are not the ones that win out. Remember VHS and Beta? Beta was a much better video tape standard, but they didn't get the marketplace. So we have VHS - or did until DVDs came along. Intel x86 is not the best, but it has been exploited the best.

IBM seems to think they are big enough and bad enough to make enough money off their PowerPC chips in the XBox 360 console and Sony Playstation console that they don't need Apple. But any loss of a customer hurts, even if you can't feel it just yet. I say IBM has again dropped the ball. They dropped the ball with the PC and even though most of our machines are IBM-standard machines...IBM has little or nothing to do with their make or manufacture. It seems, as in the past, IBM just doesn't believe in the PC.

Perspective
06-09-2005, 08:54 AM
>having to build everything else from source

I actually dont mind building things from source. Its almost as easy as clicking [install], just ./configure (if available) make, make isntall

Thats only if the source has a configuration for your architecture. Try taking an x86 package and making a source build for ppc64. It can be a huge pain.