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psychopath
06-03-2005, 07:53 AM
well, i'm posting this thread out of bored curiosity. whats everyones opinion and why?

-psychopath

pianorain
06-03-2005, 08:13 AM
star wars vs star trekNeither one of them is real.
i'm posting this thread out of bored curiosityGo outside and play with a Frisbee.

Thantos
06-03-2005, 08:20 AM
No real comparison.

Star Wars: A story about redemption
Star Trek: Addressing current social issues under the guise of science fiction.

Ken Fitlike
06-03-2005, 09:18 AM
If Star Wars is "a story about redemption" and Star Trek "addresses current social issues under the guise of science fiction" then Star Wars must be a subset of Star Trek because that "story about redemption" also "addresses current social issues under the guise of science fiction". So, according to those definitions it is possible to make a comparison and Star Trek can easily be seen to come out on top - which is just the way Cap'n Kirk likes it.[/Mr Spock] :p

Thantos
06-03-2005, 11:13 AM
Not at all. Redemption spans more then our current social issues.

Now of course when I think of Star Trek I only include the two good shows: Star Trek and Star Trek: TNG

Ken Fitlike
06-03-2005, 11:50 AM
But shouldn't you compare like with like ie. movies with movies?

I wouldn't really say Star Wars was about redemption, though, more boy-being becomes man-being (aka 'coming of age') but I accept that's an ancient storyline. The big question that Star Wars poses is, however, very much a contemporary issue, namely: are the droids gay?

Star Trek, on the other hand, is about Jimmy T. Kirk doing it with and to anything even remotely female in the Universe*. ST-TNG is more to do with a Giant Flying Desk boldly taking corporate capitalism and undermanagement where neither have been taken before. While I'd agree that ST-TNG's promulgation of corporate ethics is very much contemporary to its times, I'd have to contend that Cap'n Kirk's predilection for slipping it to just about everything is, much like the 'coming of age' in Star Wars, a timeless, if somewhat disturbing, story line.

* Okay, it's really about Romans in Space.

SMurf
06-03-2005, 12:03 PM
Now of course when I think of Star Trek I only include the two good shows: Star Trek and Star Trek: TNG
Come on, what about DS9? It was a bar. In space. Plus they did that thing where they pasted the actors into an old Star Trek episode! And the Thong Song man was whack. :cool: :p

sean
06-03-2005, 01:42 PM
The big question that Star Wars poses is, however, very much a contemporary issue, namely: are the droids gay?

I miss my rep++ button.

Magos
06-03-2005, 05:29 PM
Sw > St

Fordy
06-04-2005, 03:24 AM
To me there's no doubt: Star Wars trounces Star Trek on all fronts; nevertheless, I did like the Kirk shows.

Fitlike's right in pointing out that Kirk’s strategy of 'porking' his way through the female contingent of the universe made for good entertainment. Add to that his disregard for junior crewmen: Kirk, Bones, Spok & Ensign Timmy go down to the strange alien planet – which one isn’t coming back? All good fun!

The New Generation and those that follow are nowhere near as good. I’d disagree with Ken on the idea that they take “corporate capitalism and undermanagement where neither have been taken before”; I’d liken it more to “Social Worker’s in space”. These people are so P.C. that it makes me wince during every episode. Some points that spring to mind
• The main characters can’t do anything wrong without it becoming a big life lesson that they will cherish in future years.
• They tend to weigh up the rights of the aliens that are trying to kill them/steal their ship/steal their foxy red-haired doctor.
• They have no concept of money! This is the clincher for me, as being an accountant, such a world would make me unemployed.
• They have a ship’s councillor, as well as Whoopie Goldberg, to advise them! If you are fighting an alien race that you have never encountered before, would you want Whoopie advising you to think of their point of view?

Star Wars on the other hand hits all the right spots. The main story is about redemption and success through adversity, and those two themes are the stuff off many great tales. The characters may be CGI, or not very well acted in some cases, but are instantly more recognisable as human beings than some of the later Star Trek characters. And that goes for the gay droids too!

nickname_changed
06-04-2005, 04:11 AM
Worf would kick yoda's green little bum. End of thread.

Ken Fitlike
06-05-2005, 01:16 AM
My inspiration (http://spamusement.com/index.php/comics/view/233). ;)

mrafcho001
06-05-2005, 07:52 AM
Star Wars and Star Terck < *

andyhunter
06-11-2005, 11:10 PM
Carrie Fisher and Natalie Portman.

'Nuff said.

major_small
06-12-2005, 12:39 AM
new st (voyager) < new sw (1,2,3) < old sw (4, 5 6) ~ old st (enterprise)

sean
06-12-2005, 11:31 AM
My brother-in-law and I were discussing the future of Star Wars a few weeks ago (right after the discussion of the difference between St. Elmo's Fire and ball lightning and before the discussion on Visual Studio.NET 2005 Beta 2 - we're nerds). He has a theory that they're going to remake the original Star Wars movies with new special effects, etc..., and I have a theory that they're going to make a Star Wars 7 - I mean, the premise is there what with Luke having a sister and all. Penny for your thoughts? (your two cents, as it were - quite the rip off)

Magos
06-12-2005, 11:40 AM
Remaking 4,5,6 would be plain stupid. Adding more effects, sure (has already been done at least once) but not remaking.

major_small
06-12-2005, 11:33 PM
well, AFAIK, lucas originally planned star wars to come out in three trilogies (1-3, 4-6, 7-9), but after the first three (4-6) came out, he never really thought much of doing the others... then he did 1-3 after re-releasing 4-6 as many times as he could...

following his forumula, we'll be hit with releases of 1-3 (as a trilogy, with extras, then redone with more/updated effects) and then releases of boxed sets (1-6), then maybe if he's still alive he'll have to look into making 7-9 :D

Magos
06-13-2005, 05:49 AM
I'm not so sure, the reason the special edition of 4,5,6 was relweased was when those were made they didn't have the technology (nor budget) to create all his imaginations. Now in 1,2,3 and the limitless CG age I see no reason why he should add more effects. Sure trilogy packages and similar will be relaesad though...

sean
06-13-2005, 06:59 PM
Now in 1,2,3 and the limitless CG age I see no reason why he should add more effects. Sure trilogy packages and similar will be relaesad though...

Sounds to me like when the director of the US Patent Office requested that it be closed, as "everything that could be invented, already had been invented". That was about 90 years ago if I recall.

JaWiB
06-13-2005, 07:28 PM
Star Trek: TNG is the best. It's just so more imaginative than star wars. Ok, maybe that's 'cause star wars is a movie, and star trek was a series (the star trek movies aren't as good as star wars, of course)

major_small
06-14-2005, 02:15 AM
I'm not so sure, the reason the special edition of 4,5,6 was relweased was when those were made they didn't have the technology (nor budget) to create all his imaginations. Now in 1,2,3 and the limitless CG age I see no reason why he should add more effects. Sure trilogy packages and similar will be relaesad though...
I have to agree with sean here... don't forget, processors become more powerful and you can get better effects all the time... although I do think that the upgrade will be with technique more than technology...

Magos
06-14-2005, 05:43 AM
I didn't say that you CAN'T add more and better effects, I said there is no NEED.

major_small
06-14-2005, 01:12 PM
I didn't say that you CAN'T add more and better effects, I said there is no NEED.
was there a NEED for the first three? ;) Luke still yells "carrie" when he jumps off the X-Wing into leia's arms... if they wanted to fix something, they could have tried to take care of that... (unless they did--I dont' remember) =P

Magos
06-14-2005, 06:02 PM
Right, I saw this thing in an behind-the-scenes about StarWars creatures. You know in ep6 at the end Luke stands on one of the Ewok bridges and sees the ghostly shapes of Obi-Wan, Yoda and Anakin. But this time it wasn't the Anakin actor from ep 6 but him from ep 2,3 (Christensen or whats-his-name). Is this some official remake or was it just some random edited footage?

Govtcheez
06-14-2005, 06:35 PM
I didn't say that you CAN'T add more and better effects, I said there is no NEED.
Like that'll ever stop George Lucas :p
Star Trek: TNG is the best. It's just so more imaginative than star wars. Ok, maybe that's 'cause star wars is a movie, and star trek was a series (the star trek movies aren't as good as star wars, of course)Word.

major_small
06-14-2005, 08:21 PM
Right, I saw this thing in an behind-the-scenes about StarWars creatures. You know in ep6 at the end Luke stands on one of the Ewok bridges and sees the ghostly shapes of Obi-Wan, Yoda and Anakin. But this time it wasn't the Anakin actor from ep 6 but him from ep 2,3 (Christensen or whats-his-name). Is this some official remake or was it just some random edited footage?I'm pretty sure that was an official thing.

Govtcheez
06-14-2005, 08:38 PM
I'm pretty sure that was an official thing.
It's official - it's on the DVD trilogy.

Zach L.
06-14-2005, 10:28 PM
I like Star Wars (the original three, I have no particular fondness for the new ones), but I was really fond of the first six Star Trek movies too (The Voyage Home and The Undiscovered Country were really good).