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Theoclymenus
03-12-2005, 09:22 AM
Just out of interest...
Are any of you programmers out there psions in any form? I would be very interested to know another programmer who is a psion. :D (Especially one I could learn off)

For all you out there who are scratching your head in confusion and wondering what on earth I am talking about a psion is someone who has psionic (or psychic) abilities.

A very good website to go to for information (free of course) is Psipog (http://www.psipog.net) (Psychic Students in Pursuit of Guidance). By the way... please do not slag me or anyone else who practises any of this because it becomes very tiresome when people say it is all fake when you've moved things telekineticly underneath a glass bowl to avoid wind/cheating.

Anyway...
Is there anyone out there?

InvariantLoop
03-12-2005, 09:29 AM
Quote from the site
members of this underground who are respected in their communities don't talk about the interest or beliefs that qualify them for membership unless they know you too are in the club. They have learned from experience that to be outspoken brings censure - from their ministers, customers, employers, or even friends.


Is this like the fight club?

Brain Cell
03-12-2005, 09:37 AM
Yea , i can move the mouse cursor without even getting close to the monitor :cool:



are you serious? how could you move something without affecting it physically?

Theoclymenus
03-12-2005, 09:39 AM
I guess you could say that :D
Most psions only want to experiment or use the abilities for themself. I've not met another psion who wants to cause harm to people although many would like to further themselves in society.

Sang-drax
03-12-2005, 09:41 AM
IV. Pinging
The most common and simple way to ping a person is thinking at them
[...]
VI. Broadcasting
[...]
VII. Scanning and Probes
[...]
IX. Hacking

Hmm, looks alot like TCP/IP, it cannot be that difficult. :D

http://www.psipog.net/show.php?id=10131

Theoclymenus
03-12-2005, 09:46 AM
Yes you can... it just seems that the vast majority of people do not believe in these abilities either though fear or something even deeper ingrained into society.

Look at it this way: where would we be now if noone had accepted the earth was round? It took a few geniuses to get the idea off the ground and now everyone knows about it.

Plus: If psionics doesnt exist then why does it constantly appear in tv programs and computer games?

Another point: It has been scientifically proven that humans only use a small portion of their brain. What could humans do if they unlocked their true potential?

I myself practiced telekinesis for about 2-3 weeks and could spin a square of tin-foil balanced on a pin from the other side of my bedroom (about 2 metres away). I closed my window and my door to stop draughts, kept perfectly still and held my breath and this prooved it to me.

InvariantLoop
03-12-2005, 09:48 AM
Thats interesting, can you record in on your web cam? I'd like to see that :). Also can you do something like this? http://www.ellusionist.com/order/Slam-Coin-Penetration.htm

Theoclymenus
03-12-2005, 10:01 AM
It would be very difficult to do that without a trick... You would need to telekineticaly move every molecule in the line of impact so that the coins never actually touched. Look up phasing on Psipog

laserlight
03-12-2005, 10:12 AM
are you serious? how could you move something without affecting it physically?
Use magnetism?

Or 'psi', as the case may be.

Brian
03-12-2005, 10:20 AM
this is retarded

Brain Cell
03-12-2005, 10:47 AM
Use magnetism?
ok i'll change that to "affecting it logically". ;)


Plus: If psionics doesnt exist then why does it constantly appear in tv programs and computer games?I should've listened to my nephews when they said that teletubbies were real. :(

Perspective
03-12-2005, 10:52 AM
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Salem
03-12-2005, 11:11 AM
> it is all fake when you've moved things telekineticly underneath a glass bowl to avoid wind/cheating.
Feel free to claim your $1M anytime - http://skepdic.com/randi.html
Oh, and I claim my 10% finders fee in advance.

> could spin a square of tin-foil balanced on a pin
Sure you didn't just create one of these?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crookes_radiometer
Of course, if you omitted the "vacuum" step, then no doubt air currents could be just as plausable an explanation.

> You would need to telekineticaly move every molecule in the line of impact
Tried counting them recently?
Those are serious numbers to be doing anything "one at a time".

> Another point: It has been scientifically proven that humans only use a small portion of their brain
Where are your references?
I would suggest that nobody has a clue how the brain really works, so picking arbitrary figures like "only uses 10%" is basically meaningless.

> why does it constantly appear in tv programs
Well the fiction section of the library is full of many things. The Wizard of Oz mentions Kansas, but that doesn't make it all true.

> it just seems that the vast majority of people do not believe in these abilities either
When it comes to beliefs, the only thing you can be sure of is that there are more people in the world who don't believe in your particular mythology than those who do. Even your big name religions (which are really just umbrella collections of many different disagreeing sects and cults) are vastly outnumbered by the infidels!.
Of course, if any of it were clearly (and repeatably) demonstrable outside the skull of the believer (not merely inside), then the argument would disappear and the world would move on. But no, it's just another meme (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meme) which exists only to perpetuate itself by dragging successive generations of the gullible into itself.

> http://www.psipog.net/
Gee, I wonder where they got the idea for a logo from - Babylon Five Psicorp perhaps?
Mind you, I really like the tagline at the bottom of the page - "If you do not like the content or the moderation, then leave."

Concentrate on your programming - http://cboard.cprogramming.com/showthread.php?t=62948 - rather than wasting time with those kooks.

Darkness
03-12-2005, 01:39 PM
I was engaged in paranormal activity. I was in a room, being watched by 90 video cameras. In the room was a cat. I looked at the cat VERY hard for an extremely long time. Then, all of a sudden, the cat FLEW across the room. And, for the paranormal part, I didn't even have control of the foot that kicked it! I swear, it happened on its own!

no-one
03-12-2005, 02:31 PM
> It has been scientifically proven that humans only use a small portion of their brain.
>Where are your references?
I would suggest that nobody has a clue how the brain really works, so picking arbitrary figures like "only uses 10%" is basically meaningless.
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these "Figures" generally taken out of context and refers to how much of the brain "mass" is active at any given moment, and being that different areas of your brain do different things, you would have to do everything your brain could do at once to use 100% of it... so generally doing most activities requires on average only 10% + or - (read the areas that handle that particular functionality) of your brain to be active, where as different activities require 10% + or - of different areas of the brain...

in summary: you use all of your brain, just different parts at different times... averaging about 10% at any given moment. unless your on certain drugs such as LSD, that will activate parts of your brain normally dormant during waking, or not necessary for normal functioning... etc...

>Feel free to claim your $1M anytime - http://skepdic.com/randi.html

what so then everybody would be doing it?... hell no... thank you.


furthermore right now im using my psychic abilities to make you all skeptical, so you wont learn how to use your mind powers...

adrianxw
03-12-2005, 03:06 PM
It has been scientifically proven that humans only use a small portion of their brain. It is an observed fact that some people here use a lot less.

no-one
03-12-2005, 05:35 PM
oooooooo!!! me me!!!!

Dante Shamest
03-12-2005, 05:42 PM
It has been scientifically proven that humans only use a small portion of their brain.

A common myth. Ask any certified neurologist.

MadCow257
03-12-2005, 05:43 PM
The whole thing is ridiculous, and that some people believe it too. If you want to make me belive that you can bend a spoon with your mind, then I'll supply you one and set it on a table in front of you and watch you do it like that. No need for you to be constantly stroking a spoon which you have supplied yourself. If you want to make me believe you can read my mind, then let me think some obscure thought, write it down on a piece of paper and put it in an envelope in a different room. Then you can sit by me and I'll repeadly think it and watch you "have you powers be weak for that day." That people would use trickery and call it divine through the power of god takes it to another level even.

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A common myth. Ask any certified neurologist.

A very comment myth then, as it has been taught in school several times.

Dante Shamest
03-12-2005, 05:58 PM
A very comment myth then, as it has been taught in school several times.

I don't know which schools are those, but I studied Neuroscience and Psychology in University.

And wikipedia agrees that it's a myth (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brain#Myths).

MadCow257
03-12-2005, 06:07 PM
I don't know which schools are those, but I studied Neuroscience and Psychology in University.
Sorry, I think it came off sounding like I didn't believe you, I did. The school I was refering to was just middle school and they teach us incorrect, unverified, or only partially correct stuff alot. It always makes me cringe when on a test I answer what they want to hear so I can get the points rather then answering what is actually true.

anonytmouse
03-12-2005, 06:35 PM
Snopes: The Ten-Percent Myth (http://www.snopes.com/science/stats/10percnt.htm)

Have you ever heard a doctor say, ". . . But luckily when that bullet entered his skull, it only damaged the 90 percent of his brain he didn't use"?

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Darkness
03-12-2005, 06:53 PM
A common myth. Ask any certified neurologist.

It was my understanding that all portions of the brain get used, but only a small portion is being used at any one time.

Dante Shamest
03-12-2005, 06:56 PM
Sorry, I think it came off sounding like I didn't believe you, I did.

Ah, my bad. No worries then. :)



BTW this topic reminds me of that funny quote (can't remember the author)


All those who believe in psychokinesis raise my hand.

-KEN-
03-12-2005, 07:32 PM
I can move money without physically touching it. All I need is your bank info.

Salem
03-13-2005, 01:30 AM
> All those who believe in psychokinesis raise my hand.
My favourite small ad is.

Wanted: Psychic - you know who to call.

laserlight
03-13-2005, 03:05 AM
All those who believe in psychokinesis raise my hand.
*Pokes Dante Shamest, watching him involuntarily raise his hand trying to ward off the poke*

Didnt have to use psychokinesis, oh well.

Salem
03-13-2005, 03:50 AM
I thought a quackery was a duck farm until I discovered http://www.psipog.net

laserlight
03-13-2005, 05:55 AM
I thought a quackery was a duck farm until I discovered http://www.psipog.net
That was the link the OP posted, so yeah, it probably is where the (mis-)information comes from.

Darkness
03-13-2005, 10:36 AM
I took a psychic test and it says that I am very psychic. Although, it only said that after asking if I am planning on getting a college degree, if I plan on buying a car in the next six months or plan on paying off student loans.

But, that's not why I'm convinced I'm psychic. You see, I KNEW I would get a very high score, because I had a gut feeling that if I just answered 'yes' to all of the questions at this test:

http://www.sixthsearch.com/rupsychic/index.asp

that I would turn out to be very psychic.

As a side note my head is magnetized. I throw off compasses.

telekinesis training manual (the name of the author doesn't matter a whole lot, evidently)

http://www.psipog.net/show.php?id=10121

It makes reference to computers! With pictures!

cerin
03-14-2005, 08:50 PM
A common myth. Ask any certified neurologist.

Yes this is very true, BUT I'm just going to say this because I don't want to get flamed or anything. Our brain has infinitely more capacity than we use.