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Darkness
02-07-2005, 02:48 PM
Well I am guessing nobody here really even cares, even the resident marine on this site, Thantos (I sent him a PM but he never replied) but I am talking with a marine corps recruiter this weekend, and I'm deciding if I want to enlist or not.

If I do enlist I am going to try to make it into military police (barring testing and how much choice I have).

If I do enlist I am going to enter the delayed entry program and continue training until this semester ends.

so yeah

ober
02-07-2005, 02:51 PM
Whatever you decide, good luck. I almost enlisted in the Navy, but that whole stuck-in-a-tube-under-water-for-6-months-with-no-fresh-poonanny thing kinda turned me off. Plus, I'd just be getting out and I'd have no degree.

axon
02-07-2005, 02:54 PM
Darkness, are you in highschool or college? if in college, maybe you should think of their officer program...you could go to boot camp during the summer, and do other duties only during summers...

Before you decide on anything make sure it is really something you want to do though.

-KEN-
02-07-2005, 03:02 PM
Whatever you decide, good luck. I almost enlisted in the Navy, but that whole stuck-in-a-tube-under-water-for-6-months-with-no-fresh-poonanny thing kinda turned me off. Plus, I'd just be getting out and I'd have no degree.

Technically, I think you'd be the fresh poonany :-*.

Anyway, why do you want to do this?

ober
02-07-2005, 03:07 PM
>>Technically, I think you'd be the fresh poonany :-*

Technically, I think you're right, and that's what scared me. ;)

Darkness
02-07-2005, 03:18 PM
Darkness, are you in highschool or college? if in college, maybe you should think of their officer program...you could go to boot camp during the summer, and do other duties only during summers...

Before you decide on anything make sure it is really something you want to do though.


I'm in univesity, and I actually just got information about officer programs in the mail. The guy I've been working out with is training to do just that.




Anyway, why do you want to do this?

It's something I've always wanted, I want something much harder than army rotc (which I recently just got out of), and I think I'm crazy enough to go through with it.

I'm also going to find out about marine reserves. There's several at our school who are both enlisted and getting an education. Otherwise there are potential openings at the marine base in quantico virginia (my friend's husband works there as a military police officer guarding gates).

Just thinking about it I'm already getting scared because I know basic is going to be absolute hell, but I want it more than anything.

axon
02-07-2005, 03:30 PM
Darkness, I really know how you feel (seriously), but you should think about it long and hard before you make any definitive decission. Take your time, what year are you?

Thantos
02-07-2005, 03:46 PM
Sorry I was busy when I read your PM and I kinda forgot.

I wish you luck. Just make sure you are gonna be 18 by the time you get to MP school. I worked with a guy that was suppose to be an MP but he was 17 when he hit MP school so they gave him a new MOS.

The key to talking with the recruiter is to realize a couple points: They need you and they don't need you. Recruiters work off of a quota system so they won't waste a lot of time with someone who is baiting them.

Tip for bootcamp: You amount of preperation will prepare you. When you are there realize its just a giant mind game.

InvariantLoop
02-07-2005, 03:59 PM
darkness. can i ask a few questions?

1. how old are you?
2. do you like working with computers?
3. do you like addressing security issues?
4. are you a good student?

edit: 5. last question, if in school what year?

answer those questions and i might have something for you that you might actually find more interesting than the marines.

Govtcheez
02-07-2005, 04:30 PM
> 3. do you like addressing security issues?

Troubleshooting network security sounds way more exciting than travelling the world and experiencing things that only a handful of people in the world ever do! YEE-HA!

Scribbler
02-07-2005, 04:44 PM
Tip for bootcamp: You amount of preperation will prepare you. When you are there realize its just a giant mind game.
I would agree with this...kinda...

Moreso I would say... Despite all apparent evidence to the contrary, they're not out to screw you and make your life miserable. More accurately they're pushing you to prove to yourself what you can accomplish (a hard won lesson :D ), and be ever faithful that the results are more than rewarding.

[edit]oh yeah, best of luck to ya if you do enlist. You'll have experiences and opportunities you've never even contemplated before. Enjoy the ride.

Zach L.
02-07-2005, 05:30 PM
darkness. can i ask a few questions?

1. how old are you?
2. do you like working with computers?
3. do you like addressing security issues?
4. are you a good student?

edit: 5. last question, if in school what year?

answer those questions and i might have something for you that you might actually find more interesting than the marines.
NSA?

InvariantLoop
02-07-2005, 05:32 PM
NSA?

yes.

Thantos
02-07-2005, 06:03 PM
NSA doesn't get to blow things up just because. Now if you wanted to be a spook thats something else.

And my god did I have a typo before:

Tip for bootcamp: You amount of preperation will prepare you. When you are there realize its just a giant mind game.
Should be

Tip for bootcamp: No amount of preperation will prepare you. When you are there realize its just a giant mind game.

major_small
02-07-2005, 06:33 PM
I considered joining the marines at one point in high school... I didn't join for a few reasons - I wanted to continue my education as long as possible, I didn't want to leave my girlfriend, and the recruiter that called me (and presumably all of them) was like a sleazy car salesman, and I didn't want to join an orginization that promoted that kind of thing...

oh, and war is bad. and my friend that joined the reserves around the time I was considering joining is now enjoying a stay in luxurious Iraq after being activated in Iran.

Darkness
02-07-2005, 06:54 PM
I just got back from the recruiter (I called him and had him pick me up instead of waiting)



Darkness, I really know how you feel (seriously), but you should think about it long and hard before you make any definitive decission. Take your time, what year are you?

I'm a freshman in college. I spoke with a recruiter over the summer before school started but decided not to go. I haven't stopped thinking about it all year.



I wish you luck. Just make sure you are gonna be 18 by the time you get to MP school. I worked with a guy that was suppose to be an MP but he was 17 when he hit MP school so they gave him a new MOS.

Turning 19 in a couple of weeks.



The key to talking with the recruiter is to realize a couple points: They need you and they don't need you. Recruiters work off of a quota system so they won't waste a lot of time with someone who is baiting them.

Yeah, and I know the bs scams they pull, idealizing things, making things sound just right. I kept on asking persistent questiosn and he eventually said "look, kid, we're trained with marketing skills like a business manager. all else aside, it'll be the hardest thing you ever do, but it will be the best thing you ever do"



Tip for bootcamp: You amount of preperation will prepare you. When you are there realize its just a giant mind game.

Yep. Physically I'm ready. otherwise im not



and the recruiter that called me (and presumably all of them) was like a sleazy car salesman

they are, they try to get buddy buddy with you and all of that crap. they don't care, and it IS a scam, but I realize this and still want it for other reasons

friggin a this is the hardest decision i've ever had to make (i haven't enlisted yet, but once i do i belong to the military).

Thantos
02-07-2005, 07:15 PM
Super secret tip: Until you swear in the second time and ship for bootcamp you can get out of the enlistment fairly easily.

The thing to remember is that the recruiters are selling a product. My recruiters were cool and didn't really bs me. They were up front that bootcamp is gonna suck and life as a marine can be tough. They were nice enough to keep me from becoming a radiomen (aka battery powered grunt).

They did pull one scam on my mom though. Since I was 17 at the time I was joining I had to get parental permission for the medicial exam. Now my mom though they needed her permission for me to join as a minor. So when they were going over the paperwork hey failed to correct her line of thinking and she thought she was only signing for a medical exam and that the other form would be signed later. Turns out that they didn't need her permission for me to join.

Another tip: Everyone has a boss. While you are still a civilian you can use this to our advantage. If you don't get something you like you can always go higher (or to another recruiting office)

cerin
02-07-2005, 07:58 PM
From what I hear from people I know in the marines is that boot camp isn't terribly hard excluding the ten mile run. I'm 15 and have already considered the military. Remember the mind game things. Even if you can't be fully prepared for boot camp why not try and make it easier on yourself?

Become something cool like a sniper. :D :D

Darkness
02-07-2005, 08:01 PM
cerin, honestly, shut up.



Another tip: Everyone has a boss. While you are still a civilian you can use this to our advantage. If you don't get something you like you can always go higher (or to another recruiting office)


What do you mean by this?

cerin
02-07-2005, 08:07 PM
I'm pretty sure he means ask a high authority, get a higher rank, or ask another recruiting office if you were stuck with something you don't want to be.

Thantos
02-07-2005, 08:10 PM
Ok in my case I was initally medically declined due to something that happened when I was in 5th grade. Since it hadn't been a factor at all since then I was basically going WTF! So I went above the doctor's head and got the waiver I wanted.

If the recruiter won't give you MP for any reason other then you aren't qualified, go above their head or go to another recruiter. If they say the MOS is closed you can either wait till next month or walk away.

andyhunter
02-07-2005, 08:22 PM
I've hung out with a couple of marines in my time, good partiers. The chicks are decent too, although hands down I am afraid the AirForce has the hottest.

Anyway, if you are in college and not running out of money wait until you get a degree to join. You'll most likely like life as an officer much better, and the pay is a lot more.

Additionally, look around at the other forces. I know the AirForce right now has a computer field they opened up that seems to be doing pretty well for itself. The navy as well has totally reshaped there IT sector.

Remember, stay in college. You are talking to the wrong recruiter if you are talking about going in enlisted. Find the officer recruiter or ask your recruiter to point you to him. This is probably a better route to take.

-Andy

Darkness
02-07-2005, 08:35 PM
I don't want to be an officer.

I don't care about pay, I strictly want to something hard. To quote myself at the recruiter "I want to put myself into a situation where I'm getting my ass kicked and see how well I fare"

edit: I don't mean I don't care about pay, I just mean that I'm not doing it for the money (which isn't a lot either way).

and I see what you were saying thantos, and I did have a problem already tonight with that. I am leaning towards marine reserve, in which case the only MOS I can actually get is what is available in the unit, which includes:

-infantry
-radio operator
-lav crew maintenance
-cook

MP is more specialized and the unit I would be serving in has no MP openings (or just plain doesn't have a need for MPs).

So, basically, I want an education, I want to be a marine, and I definitely don't want to be an officer, so marine reserve seems like the best way to go.
I am going to go watch 'making marines' and read over the propaganda they left with me. Dont be surprised if I start a thread saying 'i enlisted' and you dont' hear from me again for a few months.

kermi3
02-07-2005, 09:29 PM
>>So, basically, I want an education, I want to be a marine, and I definitely don't want to be an officer, so marine reserve seems like the best way to go.
I am going to go watch 'making marines' and read over the propaganda they left with me. Dont be surprised if I start a thread saying 'i enlisted' and you dont' hear from me again for a few months.

Just to remind you...most marine reserves these days are on active duty. I don't know if you care, but if you're going to be active anyway, why not fully active with the MOS you want

major_small
02-08-2005, 12:45 AM
Dont be surprised if I start a thread saying 'i enlisted' and you dont' hear from me again for a few months.

Just to remind you...most marine reserves these days are on active duty.a few months becomes a lot of months, then a year, then a few years, then we hear that you gloriously gave your life to save a stray bullet from a fellow soldier's gun.

andyhunter
02-08-2005, 05:22 AM
then we hear that you gloriously gave your life to save a stray bullet from a fellow soldier's gun.


See, the funny thing about freedom is that you have all these brave soldiers who lay down there lives so that people like you can make disrespectful statements about their sacrifices.

These soldiers are people, they have mothers and fathers. They have wives and husbands. They have sons and daughters, brothers and sisters. They go months on end without seeing their families to ensure democracy, a free union, prevails. To protect the rights that we have all grown accustom too and to attempt to spread those rights to those less fortunate.

And when a soldier dies in the line of duty, they leave behind those mothers and fathers. They leave widows and children that they will never see grow up. Those children who ask their remaining parent why Daddy or Mommy isn't coming home.

Then we have you, who makes light of their sacrifice. It is NEVER EVER alright to treat a soldier's sacrifice with such candor. Be greatful and reverent of their sacrifice; and when you see a soldier, or family of a soldier - say thankyou.

Sang-drax
02-08-2005, 06:09 AM
you could go to boot camp during the summer
Sounds like an excellent idea. My military service began in the middle of the winter and no heat in the world can possibly be half as terrible as the cold in the first few weeks I had in the forest. :)

InvariantLoop
02-08-2005, 06:46 AM
If i was you, id go with the NSA deal. they offer a full scholarship, you pay nothing, in between courses you do interships. Then at the end of your study you have a degree and a job and since this has to do with the DoD you have to serve for 1-2 years for every year of your schoalarship. So this is also a militay career.

DrakkenKorin
02-08-2005, 07:01 AM
>>Additionally, look around at the other forces. I know the AirForce right now has a computer field they opened up that seems to be doing pretty well for itself. The navy as well has totally reshaped there IT sector.<<

not entirely true - i work at randolph afb. here all IT positions are being transferred over to civilians. the enlisted/officer core is being retrained. if i'm not mistaken, this is happening/going to happen air force wide, and proabably DoD wide.

Darkness
02-08-2005, 07:39 AM
Hey can one of the moderators please close this thread for me? I can just PM thantos if I need to from now on. I'll make a thread when I make a definite decision. Thanks for all of your input by the way.

nvoigt
02-08-2005, 09:16 AM
Closed on request. Send a PM to a mod if you want it reopened.