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PJYelton
01-08-2005, 01:14 AM
Ok, so I'm at this Texas Hold 'Em tournament the other day at a local casino. Its a really big tournament, the winner of it all gets either $11,000 or a free trip and entry into this years World Series of Poker, top prize like $5 million. Theres only 10 people left in the tourney and I'm the chip leader, one more person eliminated and we are down to the final table, I'm doing very well. Everyone at the final table gets paid money.

I'm the big blind and the guy whos in third place to my left makes a decent raise before the flop. One or two call and since I already have money in I call as well with an Ace/Ten unsuited. Flop comes up Ace and two low cards. Now I'm a little worried that he had me beat badly with an Ace and higher kicker which is likely considering he raised preflop. I've also been watching this guy for awhile and am pretty sure I got him figured. I decide to check and wait to see what he does. I figure if he bets small he has an Ace and wants the rest of us to stick around so he can make more money. If he bets big he doesn't have an ace and hes trying to just scare us out.

Sure enough, the guy goes all in. The others fold and it comes to me. The big bet clues me he doesn't have an Ace so I call. Sure enough, he flips over pocket 9's, I've got him wasted and about to go into the final table with more than three times the chips of anyone else. What happens?? A *%^#&^$ nine comes on the river, only two left in the deck, 1 in 24 chance! Knocks me down to a low stack and I end up busting a couple of hands later. That guy of course went on to win the big money.

I'm not necessarily complaining about the bad beat itself, it happens, A LOT, to everyone. I've definately had my share of bad beating other people. It just sucks that it came at that point when I was so close to winning big. Ah well.

Anyways, I know I'm not the only poker player here. Anyone else have any bad beat stories or decent poker stories in general?

Scribbler
01-08-2005, 01:39 AM
That's why the last card was named 'The River' =P I've been sent down the river a few too many times myself.

Actually, based on your recount of what happened, he had a 1 in 18 chance of hitting a 9 (or 6%) assuming there were a minimum of 4 players at the table. And he's got 2 chances to hit it.

Typically, (in my experience) people who raise Preflop are holding a pocket pair. I probably would have bet accordingly to let him know (or suspect) I had the Ace paired. And perhaps scared him out of the river.

PJYelton
01-08-2005, 01:54 AM
In my experience, just as many people raise with AK, AQ, and AJ as well. If I bet and he calls, that tells me nothing, which is why I checked. Of course, you are right, if I had bet he probably would have folded and I wouldn't have lost anything, but you know what they say about hindsight :D

Also, it doesn't matter how many people are in the hand, the odds are exactly the same. The two nines could be in the remaining deck or the players discards. If everyone who folded actually showed their hands revealing that none of them had a nine, then yeah it would have been 1 in 18 or better. I did make a mistake though, it should be 1 in 22. 52 cards minus my two, minus his two, and minus the four on the board makes 44 cards left, 2 of which were nines.

Govtcheez
01-08-2005, 07:30 AM
The time my Aces full of Kings got beat by 4 Aces wasn't necessarily a bad beat, but it still ........ed me off.

edit: Does anyone play online? I'm on Full Tilt as Govtcheez and I have PR but I never really play it.

-KEN-
01-08-2005, 10:52 AM
A full house with three Aces on the board is a dangerous thing.

How about my pocket Aces versus 6-10? That was pretty bad. Or the time everyone at the table had a (2-card, not just 1) full house; that was nasty.

PJYelton
01-08-2005, 12:37 PM
>>Does anyone play online? I'm on Full Tilt as Govtcheez and I have PR but I never really play it.<<

I stopped playing online awhile ago because it was a little too random for me, too many players coming and going. The game just wasn't much fun when I could never get a feel for my opponants. But with a new job and school starting up again I don't think I'll have time to make it to the casino, so looks like I'll have to play online again to get my fix. I was playing at PokerRoom as PJYelton, not sure if thats where I'd go back to though. I've never heard of Full Tilt though, is it any good?

Govtcheez
01-08-2005, 01:05 PM
Yeah, I don't play FTP very much anymore, but I started when it was still really small, so you still knew most of the people at the table. It was nice.

misplaced
01-08-2005, 04:18 PM
around here we've got bars that hold texas hold 'em tournaments every night of the week..they're 100% free... know playing poker without any money doesn't sound to enticing, but there's actually quite a few people who actually play like it's their own money... it's actually pretty fun going to a bar, getting drunk, and winning a DVD player or a $100 gift certificate to best buy... there's also chances to win a trip at the end of the "season".

there are however, those dipI am sillyI am sillyI am sillyI am sillys who insist on playing Ace anything at any raise, any cards that are suited, and then the most deadly - pocket pair players - the ones who think a pair of 4's in the hole are invincible. sure enough, they'll hit that set or or catch 3, 5,7 and call a monster raise because they already have a 'great' hand and a 6 will make it even better.

then there's the one's who slow play EVERY I am sillyI am sillyI am sillyI am sillying thing and wonder why they can't ever win when they flop top pair....

that's why a bunch of the regulars always get one table together and what for the idiots to knock each other out.

misplaced
01-08-2005, 04:19 PM
around here we've got bars that hold texas hold 'em tournaments every night of the week..they're 100% free... know playing poker without any money doesn't sound to enticing, but there's actually quite a few people who actually play like it's their own money... it's actually pretty fun going to a bar, getting drunk, and winning a DVD player or a $100 gift certificate to best buy... there's also chances to win a trip at the end of the "season".

there are however, those dipI am sillyI am sillyI am sillyI am sillys who insist on playing Ace anything at any raise, any cards that are suited, and then the most deadly - pocket pair players - the ones who think a pair of 4's in the hole are invincible. sure enough, they'll hit that set or or catch 3, 5,7 and call a monster raise because they already have a 'great' hand and a 6 will make it even better.

then there's the one's who slow play EVERY I am sillyI am sillyI am sillyI am sillying thing and wonder why they can't ever win when they flop top pair....

that's why a bunch of the regulars always get one table together and wait for the idiots to knock each other out.

PJYelton
01-08-2005, 04:53 PM
Yeah, its getting that way in casinos too, people playing everything. I had my pocket aces beat the other day by a guy who played a 72 offsuit, hit a 2 on the flop and played all the way to the river where he hit a 7. And this was with real money and me raising before and after the flop. But yeah, these guys see two cards the same suit and they think gold mine. Usually thats good because they are just throwing their money away, but man its frustrating when they are getting lucky, or worse when you are a table full of them because chances are one of them will hit every hand big.

Basically the only way to play these types of tables I've found is be a little looser calling before the flop, play things like suited connectors and what not, and pretty much fold after the flop unless you hit top pair with an overcard or better. I almost always come out ahead with that plan, although it does take a little bit of the fun out of the game because theres not a whole lot of strategy involved. You can foget bluffing, and things like check raising and what not mean nothing to these newbies because they'll just call no matter what whether they have a monster or nothing at all.

jEssYcAt
01-08-2005, 04:58 PM
I play on Poker Stars as jEssYcAt and they have play money tournaments as well as the real money tourneys. I don't play real money (I can't afford to lose it so I won't play with it), but my dad does. Watching him and playing myself, play money and real money have the same player patterns. If you play the same stakes, you'll find the same people, more or less, playing at the tables (sometimes you'll watch someone hit big and then go to a bigger stakes table and lose their shirt, then they're back at the lower stakes again). And if you don't want to play real money, the 3 and 5 table play money sit-n-go's can be pretty good games once the morons take themselves out with all-in-every-hand strategies. And even if they hit and double or triple up, they're easy money if you play them right.

I wish I could play real money as well as I play fake money. I am up to 300k in play chips and generally win more than I lose.

misplaced
01-08-2005, 05:29 PM
You can foget bluffing, and things like check raising and what not mean nothing to these newbies because they'll just call no matter what whether they have a monster or nothing at all.


i know all about that - the thing i hate the absolute most is when i've been sitting there not playing any hands and then i get a good starting hand and miss on a rag flop, check, get raised, then i re-raise, and then get i called instantly. it's not that they called me that ........es me off, it's that i haven't played a hand in 20 minutes, pushed it before the flop, re-raised them, and then they call me without even considering that maybe, just maybe i have him beat.

...then if i don't push it after the turn and end up folding to him, he then throws up bottom pair as if he had made some great play to make me lay it down.

lol - i'm not going to re-type this. sorry for the run on sentences. appearantly i can't decide on what "form" of person to use so: him = he = they = them.

Kleid-0
01-08-2005, 05:35 PM
I had my pocket aces beat the other day by a guy who played a 72 offsuit, hit a 2 on the flop and played all the way to the river where he hit a 7.
ROFL, are you guys talking in secret code with poker games!? You guys sound like those people that play professional gambling for a living lol.

misplaced
01-08-2005, 05:58 PM
lol - it's easy to feel like a pro when when you play poker.

i actually did play "pro" for a while. i was without a job for three months and through those three months i actually brought home about $400 a month from poker. i don't really think i'm good enough to play a real high stakes game, i just had a lot of patience and luck playing 4-8 hold 'em. oh, i'm sorry, that's $4 raise limit for the first 2 rounds of betting and $8 raise limit for the last 2 rounds of betting :). if i did the math right, that's potentially $64 dollars / per person per pot. those are the pots i stayed out of. i just tried to pick up 30 to 40 dollar pots here and there.

novacain
01-10-2005, 02:49 AM
I worked at a casino for a few years (AR, BJ, Poker, Bacarat ect).
Only thing to do was watch people ( ++money ++booze ) do stupid things and look for patterns in the games. My objective was to loose as much of the casinos money possible before they took me off the table.

Somedays I KNEW after five minutes if I was going to win / loose.

My research told me two things,
back a run of luck,
no punter knows when to leave.

I saw an old guy win a Au$120,000 poker jackpot (dealt a straight flush).
Insisted on cash in a brown paper bag......

Dissata
01-12-2005, 12:48 AM
The real problem with poker, especially in a casino environment is this: the house takes a percentage of each pot. Essentially then you can never really win. Of course you can get ahead, but then after any hand there is less money on the table then what was there origionaly.


i know all about that - the thing i hate the absolute most is when i've been sitting there not playing any hands and then i get a good starting hand and miss on a rag flop, check, get raised, then i re-raise, and then get i called instantly. it's not that they called me that I am sillyI am sillyI am sillyI am sillyes me off, it's that i haven't played a hand in 20 minutes, pushed it before the flop, re-raised them, and then they call me without even considering that maybe, just maybe i have him beat.

... this is a good thing, if you've been docile all night then have a hand, and you know you pretty much have him beat for sure, then him adding money to YOUR pot is a very good thing. That is the whole point of not betting to much when you have a good hand.

As to PJYelton:

Why did you not just fold? you had the advantage of being the highest chip holder; cut your losses and live another day. There really is no point to let your entire winnings ride on one spontaneous hand.

Govtcheez
01-12-2005, 07:27 AM
... this is a good thing, if you've been docile all night then have a hand, and you know you pretty much have him beat for sure, then him adding money to YOUR pot is a very good thing. That is the whole point of not betting to much when you have a good hand.In theory, you're right, but whenever that happens to me the other guy manages to catch 2 runners to make a straight or something like that.

PJYelton
01-12-2005, 10:32 AM
>>The real problem with poker, especially in a casino environment is this: the house takes a percentage of each pot. Essentially then you can never really win. Of course you can get ahead, but then after any hand there is less money on the table then what was there origionaly. <<

True in a sense, and if the same 10 guys sit at the same table all day long then you have a point. But so many people coming and going and so many people busting this usually isn't a problem. Also, this implies that all 10 guys win the same amount of money over a given time period in which yeah everyone comes out behind. Play against worse poker players and win more than they do and thats not a problem ;)

>>Why did you not just fold? you had the advantage of being the highest chip holder; cut your losses and live another day. There really is no point to let your entire winnings ride on one spontaneous hand.<<

I don't necessarily disagree with you, and obviously given the outcome I wish I had. I took a long time to think about this one before I called, and basically my reasoning was this: True I was the chip leader but there were at least 2 other guys relatively close to me, it would take very little for either of them to overtake me. Also, first place was what I really wanted since it paid ten times more than second. If I only cared about finishing in the money I would have had no problems folding. Basically at some point I had to make a move to take control, and I was positive my read was right on this guy and I had him absolutely wasted in the hand (which I did). With the two rags on the board, I knew at best he had a pocket pair in which case I was over 90% favorite to win, better than if I had folded and waited to call an all in later on with pocket aces. So this was by far my best chance to take control and I think I made the right choice. Unfortunately Lady Luck decided otherwise :(

>>In theory, you're right, but whenever that happens to me the other guy manages to catch 2 runners to make a straight or something like that.<<

Have you heard the ongoing conspiracy theory that these online sites deliberatly do things like this to keep the game interesting and to keep people playing? Lot of people swear that the major poker sites do this far more often than is mathematically logical. I haven't played enough online to really have an opinion on it though.

Felix
01-13-2005, 02:53 PM
I played poker with some friends once, not sure if I won. We played for monopoly money. I didn't really care and always went on to the last round even though I didn't even had a single pair. I won the two first rounds though.
I like blackjack better.

misplaced
01-15-2005, 03:14 PM
... this is a good thing, if you've been docile all night then have a hand, and you know you pretty much have him beat for sure, then him adding money to YOUR pot is a very good thing. That is the whole point of not betting to much when you have a good hand.




i guess i forgot to mention that i don't have a hand...



and at the casino there's always new money coming to the table..just don't play short handed and there's plenty of money

misplaced
01-15-2005, 03:22 PM
>>In theory, you're right, but whenever that happens to me the other guy manages to catch 2 runners to make a straight or something like that.<<

Have you heard the ongoing conspiracy theory that these online sites deliberatly do things like this to keep the game interesting and to keep people playing? Lot of people swear that the major poker sites do this far more often than is mathematically logical. I haven't played enough online to really have an opinion on it though.


the fair gaming commission doesn't allow poker odds to be varied.

PJYelton
01-15-2005, 11:42 PM
Well, I never said they were doing it legally ;)