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phosphorousgobu
12-10-2004, 10:22 AM
Ummmm... so many problems with this....

First off, I SERIOUSLY doubt we are allowed to help you on a test. Nobody here is going to help you cheat.

Second, the question says to list the data types, scope and storage, you ask us to define all of these things and point them out in the code, then say you aren't asking us to do it for you?? Thats exactly what you just asked so hell yeah I'm going to accuse you of asking us to do it for you!

Sorry, this is obviously an end of the semester test, if by now you don't know these simple programming concepts we aren't going to help you pretend to the teacher that you do.



If your teacher says "You can use any resource: your C++ book, the internet, anything, just as long as you don't talk to each other", then using the internet as a source isn't cheating, is it?

Maybe if you wanted to be anal-retentive, you COULD technically classify posting a question on the forums as talking. But, you guys aren't in this class. You aren't in the same room. Therefore, I'm NOT "sharing answers" between students. I'm simply using the internet as a resource. If I found an article on a C++ tutorial site that covers all of the things I asked you (storage duration, variable type, scope), then wouldn't that be "cheating" by your definition as well? only difference is there is no active communication.

Ok, whatever. I'm used to people giving me flak on forums. I'm sorry. I'm sorry that I was born stupid. I'm sorry I didn't have a high enough G.P.A (or the money) to go to a REAL college with REAL teachers who teach you things (as opposed to community college teachers who point at the board, scribble things that don't have much to do with what you're learning, and mumble incoherently). I'm sorry that I have A.D.D. and I can't wholeheartedly 110% focus all of my attention to my classwork or studies like the blessed majority of you can. I'm sorry that I can't afford Ritalin, and that i have to use the crappy generic "Methylphenedat" as a poor substitiute. I'm sorry for trying to make you guys violate the forum rules and CHEAT for me.

I'm sorry for the troble in Iraq. i'm sure Osama saw me asking for help on another forum at another time and said "That All*h d*mned capitalist pig whitey! How dare he ask people to do his work for him! Just for that, America will get 2 747 planes up the rear end!"

I'm sorry for cancer. I'm sure that came from when I asked people on the Jinx forums how to hack into my school network. I'm sorry for sin..I'm sure that came from when I was on the volkswagen forums and i said that the Ible air stabilizer valve pumped fuel into the engine, which was bull crockery. I'm sorry for all the times I complained about being locked by mods. I 190,020% deserved each and every one of those lockings.

Speaking of which, I'll wager that this post doesn't survive for more than 30 minutes. It's a waste of time and it doesn't belong here.

While you're at it, ban me. I don't deserve to ask for help.

k. i'm done. I'm ready to be booted.

major_small
12-10-2004, 10:35 AM
in the words of George Carlin:
calm down, have some dip

prog-bman
12-10-2004, 10:52 AM
Look I am all for helping people out even with the "homework" but a test that is a different sort of thing. A test is well a test of your knowledge not ours. I to go to a not so good school also a community college for that matter. I know that the professors are not the best and it is not just a not high quality colleges problem, comp sci teachers in general are not always the best but still.
I didn't learn everything I know by posting every problem I have on this board. I searched, tried stuff out, wrote little test programs to see how things worked. All I have to say on the matter is you get what you put in to it. Just put some time and effort into it and you will do great. Slack and not try hard and well maybe you will get lucky but I severly doubt it cause programming is not a luck thing.

Stack Overflow
12-10-2004, 10:55 AM
Heh.

Settle down, phosphorousgobu. No one is trying to say you are "cheating". You can only believe that if you want to. The best thing to do is believe in what's right by your morals. Ignore the post if you feel threatened by it, don't let it get to you.

Just remember this, no one can help you cheat unless you let them. In this case, someone may have helped you cheat, but it's not your fault. It would be your fault if you used the information given to you that was not yours.

P.S. Good post prog-bman


- Stack Overflow

7smurfs
12-10-2004, 11:03 AM
Nobody here probably even knows your teacher, let alone what the assignment/test realy was. If it is a test use your own knowledge, search for it online if you must, but don't expect many people to help you on a test of all things. I have no problem with helping on homework if I can (god knows I have to do that every day anyways), but I, personally, wouldn't help you or anyone on a test. Also, you could have easily worded your post in a way that you wouldn't get the answer right away, but gained the knowledge to do so.

phosphorousgobu
12-10-2004, 11:06 AM
Yes, you guys are right. I have not, however, came to you for every problem I had.


And to spite all of the people on the Jinx forums who refused to help, and you guys who think cheating is bad, I used a PIn drive the other day and copied some random guy's .cpp files from his computer while the teacher was in the room. Spite spite spite. And yes, this makes me a cheater. Ok, cool. Spite.

prog-bman
12-10-2004, 11:11 AM
Well I guess it's time for you to move on then. Good luck with your life hope cheating and stealing work out for you.

Zach L.
12-10-2004, 11:12 AM
The reason you got the reaction here is the following:
People here are interesting in helping others learn not simply programming, but good computer science. Part of this is problem solving. So, when people see a post which looks like it is simply a request for answers, they take exception to it because they feel that the poster has not truly tried to solve the problem nor truly is interested in solving the problem, just getting the right answer to the question. This type of "learning" does not lend to understanding. Also, people here are generally fairly credible people (in the domain of the forum at least), and take exception to questions which seem to ask them to violate their integrity (such as what is perceived by asking for help on a take home test).

Now, it is possible that you were very much misinterpreted. It is also possible that asking us for help violates neither the letter nor the spirit of the exam rules (which seems a bit questionnable to me in terms of rules), but we have no way of knowing.

So, just calm down. People do want to help you learn, but there has to be some slope to the learning curve.

Cheers :)

Prelude
12-10-2004, 12:27 PM
I missed the thread that caused this outburst, but it's generally a good idea to let things slide around here. We have several members that will flame you to a crisp at the slightest (possibly imagined) mistake. The problem is that they have a tendency to be right. You should look past any insults and try to find the reasoning behind the flame. Then you'll be able to read it as constructive criticism and learn how we expect things to be done.

Don't let one bad thread turn you off to Cprogramming.com. I believe that if you stick around, it will benefit you more than you could possibly imagine at this point.

PJYelton
12-10-2004, 12:30 PM
Maybe my post to you was a little harsh, it was partially for you and partially to deter anyone from mistakingly helping you. I still stand by what I said though. Are you telling me your teacher would have been perfectly fine if you had gone to a C++ professional, showed him the test, then asked him for help on this test? How is this different than what happened here, except instead you typed it instead of verbally communicating it? Would you have averted your eyes or turned off your monitor if someone had finished your test for you?


And to spite all of the people on the Jinx forums who refused to help, and you guys who think cheating is bad, I used a PIn drive the other day and copied some random guy's .cpp files from his computer while the teacher was in the room. Spite spite spite. And yes, this makes me a cheater. Ok, cool. Spite.

Not exactly spite if nobody here really cares. By all means, live your life this way. The point is nobody here will HELP you live your life this way.

LuckY
12-10-2004, 01:23 PM
I hope you've learned your lesson phosphorusgoku. Next time don't say that you're working on a test. Either that or start off by saying "This isn't for homework or anything. I'm just working on a new project for fun." before you ask your question.

Prelude
12-10-2004, 02:23 PM
>Either that or start off by saying
So you recommend lying instead of blatant cheating? Why not say that it's for a test, but make it clear that you want help with the process of solving a problem, not straight up answers to the question.

eccles
12-10-2004, 03:01 PM
um... ritalin *is* methylphenidate... that's all it is - the hydrochloride salt of methylphenicate (which is kinda like methamphetamine, but with a ketone group on the beta carbon, and the N-methyl has had a couple more carbons added to cyclize it into a ring).

it's either that compound or its not, and if its not then it wouldn't be being sold as or named the same thing.

what's the problem?

Codeplug
12-10-2004, 03:16 PM
http://www.worldofmolecules.com/drugs/ritalin.htm

gg

LuckY
12-10-2004, 03:24 PM
>Either that or start off by saying
So you recommend lying instead of blatant cheating? Why not say that it's for a test, but make it clear that you want help with the process of solving a problem, not straight up answers to the question.
Sarcasm just never seems to come across on this Internet thing. I was merely attempting to concoct a humorous notion with an underlying reference to how countless others arrive here in search of answers to problems they can't comprehend or are too much of a louse to assert any effort toward directly.

prog-bman
12-10-2004, 03:27 PM
I have question for this though.
Why the heck is it not in the GD?

DougDbug
12-10-2004, 03:27 PM
phosphorousgobu, I’m sorry you got slapped so hard. I was going to give you a couple of hints, but the post was already closed. And, if this wasn't a take-home test it was too late anyway. This is not a chat-room, it’s a bulletin board. Responses will trickle-in over a day or two.

On your test, you were having trouble with the terminology. Here’s good resource: FOLDOC. (http://wombat.doc.ic.ac.uk/foldoc/index.html)

If you had read the Forum Guidelines (http://cboard.cprogramming.com/announcement.php?f=3&announcementid=51) and Homework Policy (http://cboard.cprogramming.com/announcement.php?f=3&announcementid=39) you would have realized that your post was a violation of the rules.

I strongly support the high ethical standards of this board. It would be easy to say “anything goes”, but the standards help make cprogramming.com the best programming forum on the Internet! We are blessed with great moderators and members with high standards.

It's not just "the rules”. The attitude here is to help you learn… to help you discover for yourself. I know it’s frustrating when no one will give you the straight answer… but that’s our culture here. We are curious people who enjoy experimenting, discovering, and learning.



…REAL teachers who teach you things (as opposed to community college teachers…


Any class is better than no-class. A lot of members here are self-taught (books & Internet). I’ve never taken a C, or C++ class, although I have taken classes in a few other programming languages. University professors aren’t necessarily better teachers. Many community colleges have excellent instructors, and some of them have “day jobs” as real programmers! Community college courses are usually more practical than university courses. In community college you can take Automotive Technology and learn how to repair your car… You can graduate from a university with a Mechanical Engineering degree without learning how to repair your car!

Prelude
12-10-2004, 03:28 PM
>Sarcasm just never seems to come across on this Internet thing.
Sure it does. You just can't be subtle about it or the point may not be made.

VirtualAce
12-10-2004, 05:53 PM
Ok, whatever. I'm used to people giving me flak on forums. I'm sorry. I'm sorry that I was born stupid. I'm sorry I didn't have a high enough G.P.A (or the money) to go to a REAL college with REAL teachers who teach you things (as opposed to community college teachers who point at the board, scribble things that don't have much to do with what you're learning, and mumble incoherently). I'm sorry that I have A.D.D. and I can't wholeheartedly 110% focus all of my attention to my classwork or studies like the blessed majority of you can. I'm sorry that I can't afford Ritalin, and that i have to use the crappy generic "Methylphenedat" as a poor substitiute. I'm sorry for trying to make you guys violate the forum rules and CHEAT for me.

I'm sorry for the troble in Iraq. i'm sure Osama saw me asking for help on another forum at another time and said "That All*h d*mned capitalist pig whitey! How dare he ask people to do his work for him! Just for that, America will get 2 747 planes up the rear end!"

I'm sorry for cancer. I'm sure that came from when I asked people on the Jinx forums how to hack into my school network. I'm sorry for sin..I'm sure that came from when I was on the volkswagen forums and i said that the Ible air stabilizer valve pumped fuel into the engine, which was bull crockery. I'm sorry for all the times I complained about being locked by mods. I 190,020% deserved each and every one of those lockings.


So you're the person that caused all that.

;)

sean
12-10-2004, 11:02 PM
Don't blame us. Just learn your lesson and move on. People on this board tend to give flak pretty easily, but that's because it's a very active community. Another result of an active community is that people move on pretty fast.

novacain
12-10-2004, 11:08 PM
I love a good rant! Thanks.

Next?


>>We have several members that will flame you to a crisp at the slightest (possibly imagined) mistake.

Prelude is the 'Good cop', we have many 'Bad cops'.

sean
12-10-2004, 11:10 PM
Rubbish. Prelude's had her moments too. And we're not bad cops. We just like dressing up. ;)

SMurf
12-11-2004, 08:51 AM
Dressing up as Prelude? "Ooh, this feels nice..." :p

Essentially the easiest way to communicate with us is by saying "I have a problem with..." and then - get this - posting code!
This will 99.9999999999% of the time earn you some constructive comments, and if you're courteous to the posters afterward, positive reputation, which can be traded in for all sorts of cool CProgramming.com merchandise, like a sexy baseball cap, for instance. IMO. ;)

Also, Ritalin is free if you live in a country with a crumbling socialist medical system like mine. Mmmm... (munch munch munch)

Brain Cell
12-11-2004, 10:24 AM
Two things :

- Learn from any mistakes you might have done ..

- lay down and listen to "don't worry , be happy".

LuckY
12-11-2004, 10:54 AM
Rubbish. Prelude's had her moments too.
Prelude is female? No wonder! *smacks own forehead with palm*

Brain Cell
12-11-2004, 11:06 AM
Prelude is female?
Deja vu

Prelude
12-11-2004, 11:13 AM
>Deja vu
For the Nth time where N is the number of active members since that little tidbit of information came out.

B0bDole
12-11-2004, 11:40 PM
omg you finally figured out how to change your avatar! I'm happy for you prelude

Prelude
12-12-2004, 12:29 AM
>omg you finally figured out how to change your avatar!
No, the bug that kept me from changing it was fixed. There's a difference. :p

>I'm happy for you prelude
Thanks. :)

jverkoey
12-12-2004, 12:33 AM
Prelude> Is that avatar excel saga? looks kind of like the dog/cat thing on excel saga, lol.

Prelude
12-12-2004, 12:39 AM
>Is that avatar excel saga?
I have no idea. I haven't seen Excel Saga.

gcn_zelda
12-12-2004, 10:10 AM
But that'll be more confusing to new members. The only reason I figured that you were female is because of your avatar(which was a girl, if you've already forgotten :P).

Prelude
12-12-2004, 10:22 AM
>But that'll be more confusing to new members.
I'll get over it.

>The only reason I figured that you were female is because of your avatar
Gender is irrelevant around here, and I really don't care if there's any confusion because it doesn't hurt anything.

>which was a girl, if you've already forgotten :P
Guys can use female avatars too. ;) The hard truth is that you just can't tell gender through avatars, or writing style, or even profiles. Everyone is different, so it's hard to tell, and the situation is made ever worse by people that aren't entirely honest.

curlious
12-12-2004, 12:08 PM
Personaly I do not feel sorry for you one bit. It is your responsibility to better prepare for tests no matter how bad the prof.

If you had been prepared you would not have had this problem. If you choose to learn then you do so in all aspects of life.

Know what your asking and to whom before you ask. Many people have issues I am paranoid schizophrenic and am forced to take respiridol, but I choose to live my life normally and do not use my illness as a crutch.

Govtcheez
12-12-2004, 02:41 PM
I took a lot longer to read this than I should have, and I'm afraid I totally agree with the OP. phosphorousgobu, you're right. You really don't need to have an account here.