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RoD
09-30-2004, 06:22 PM
Anyone tuning in? Seeing as how i thought this was over....maybe i should :P

RoD
09-30-2004, 06:27 PM
anyone seen this? Its mostly pg13

www.jibjab.com

click on this land

Govtcheez
09-30-2004, 06:54 PM
> Anyone tuning in?

Yup, although the debate format is really weak.

> click on this land

Ever hear of a flash called All Your Base? Sorry man, when my mom sends me a link months before you do, you're out of the loop :)

RoD
09-30-2004, 06:59 PM
my buddy jus showed me : (

Govtcheez
09-30-2004, 07:16 PM
CSPAN's breakin' the rules by showing them in a split screen.

Good.

Lurker
09-30-2004, 07:23 PM
We need a presidential election here at the CBoard! I nominate myself as candidate for the Something Party! Who's gunna run against me?

RoD
09-30-2004, 07:29 PM
CSPAN's breakin' the rules by showing them in a split screen.

Good.

so's fox

sean
09-30-2004, 07:29 PM
I will, for the Birthday Party. Now I was born on a different forum, so I can't really be president, but I believe we should be using more duct tape. My opponent would have you believe otherwise.

Brian
09-30-2004, 07:34 PM
when is the debate?

RoD
09-30-2004, 07:38 PM
right now

Govtcheez
09-30-2004, 08:01 PM
> so's fox

Do yourself a favor. Watch it on CSPAN without Fox's BS addons. Decide for yourself.

Lurker
09-30-2004, 08:09 PM
when is the debate?

For their election, or CBoards? Ours is now too:

-sean-macroy is a FOREIGNER!!!! KILL HIM!

-I speak the good English.

sean
09-30-2004, 08:12 PM
You like the duct tape idea... you know you do...

no-one
09-30-2004, 08:54 PM
i nominate myself as the third party canidate, the I am sillyI am sillyI am sillyI am sillyI am sillyI am sillyI am silly party.


ok nm, that sounds gay, we are the Pajama Party, cause pajama's kick ass!!

i support duct tape, and big butts.

Vote for me!!!

edit: since this is the "third" party, anyone can feel free to add to our agenda!, as long as it's cool with me that is... i am the founder/nominee after all..

edit: i am also nominating myself the Costume Party candidate!

edit: and hereby RULER of this forum! debate over.

JarJarBinks
09-30-2004, 09:05 PM
i ran for president, i lost
BTW third party canadites will never win big* elections.

*by big i mean presidental

Unless our government changes from a democracy
through hostile takeover.

RoD
09-30-2004, 09:13 PM
back on topic:

that debate was kinda lame, but out of the two, kerry whooped ARSE.

no-one
09-30-2004, 09:23 PM
i think Kerry could have done much better, actually... he stepped over himself to much, no big slams, but Bush atomic elbow dropped him...

my opinion, though i missed the first half is Bush won.

i agree though the debate was lame... the questions were a tragedy!!!!!!

Jar Jar,
read the edits in my post, the debates over i called it... i won by a land slide... pay attention.

axon
09-30-2004, 09:40 PM
>>Do yourself a favor. Watch it on CSPAN without Fox's BS addons. Decide for yourself.<<

does anyone else see anything wrong with this statement? :rolleyes: I saw it on FOX, and there were no "BS addons" throughout the debate.

RoD, were we watching the same thing?!? In my opinion Bush came out much better, and he was the one doing the "kicking"; Kerry was always indirectly on the defense and frankly didn't handle it too well. WERE IS THIS GUY'S PASSION? you could see that Bush got fired up as some of Kerrie's responses; Kerry on the other hand acted as a stuffed, emotionless puppet.

The debate was good; better than I expected - too bad I wont get a chance to see the other ones :(

RoD
09-30-2004, 09:44 PM
bush got fired up because he knew he was wrong. Bush used the same answer for every question, and continued to attack kerry as a flip-flopper, when kerry adressed that claim and quite well.

Bush never should have gone into iraq. As bush does, kerry says yes, he was a threat. Good idea, BAD execution. My only gripe with kerry is his anti-atv attitude, but ill take him over bush anyday.

axon
09-30-2004, 09:53 PM
>>...because he knew he was wrong<<

good explanation RoD. Good job. :rolleyes:

>>Bush used the same answer for every question<<

Not exactly, but so did Kerry - and so did everyother presidential candidate in the past - that is what its all about.

>>when kerry adressed that claim and quite well.<<

Remind me RoD, how did he do that again? you can't "address a claim quite well" unless that claim is not true.

>>As bush does, kerry says yes, he was a threat.<<

this makes no sense, but I know you quite well so I will translate for the community, correct me if I'm wrong: "Kerry agrees with Bush that Saddam was a threat".

>>My only gripe with kerry is his anti-atv attitude, but ill take him over bush anyday.<<

now you're just being stupid.

RoD
09-30-2004, 10:04 PM
thnx for the clarity axon. The war shouldnt be the only issue in the campaign, and while tonights debate wont be the last, everyone is focusing SO much attention on the war end of it theres other issues not even being touched.

Abortion, weapons, ATV's (and the like), welfar, SS, etc

no-one
09-30-2004, 10:10 PM
thats for the next debate this one was on the easy issues, to break Kerry in. he has a lot to work on in order to debate Bush on the other issues, thats my take on the singular issue of "National Security" anyway.

axon
09-30-2004, 10:16 PM
>>everyone is focusing SO much attention on the war end of it theres other issues not even being touched<<

each debate has its own topic. War and national security is very important, but I still think other issues matter much more to the American public.

xddxogm3
09-30-2004, 11:24 PM
I feel both presented their points in the best way they knew how.
It is not the question of who could exploit the others weeknesses the best, but
what they will do in office for next 4 years. I did not hear either one say anything
that will make me chose one of the other. Granted I only saw the tail end of the debate. I feel bush has to go in with one strike against him. I'm a passafist, and in the year 2004 I feel we have the capability of evolving beyond war as an answer (provoked or not) so bush will have to do a lot better to get my vote. One thing is for sure, the political media will be trashing both for this debate.

Govtcheez
10-01-2004, 04:37 AM
> RoD, were we watching the same thing?!?

I could ask you the exact same thing.

> Kerry was always indirectly on the defense and frankly didn't handle it too well.

Oh? Is that why Bush kept going for his 30 seconds without asking Lehrer if it was ok?

> Remind me RoD, how did he do that again?

He explained the crap that's been described as "flip-flopping"very well. If a situation changes, you are allowed to change your opinion on it. It's not as if you should stick with something you know is wrong after new evidence comes to light. Hell, Bush flipflops just as much as anyone, but you don't see that being harped on by the left.

> you could see that Bush got fired up as some of Kerrie's responses; Kerry on the other hand acted as a stuffed, emotionless puppet.

It was a pretty sterile debate. Bush got fired up and frustrated because he couldn't answer the questions without a 15 second pause in the middle or going over his time. Besides, I'd rather have a president that calmly regarded the situation and acted, not one that just jumped into action before thinking about it.

> now you're just being stupid.

Now we agree. Anti-atv stance? WTF?

RoD
10-01-2004, 10:19 AM
Kerry is against activities that many feel damage the eco-system. Such as ATV's (All terrain vehicle), off roaders (SUV's, Trucks), Camping outside designated area, etc. Some of that is valid, but im strongly against the banning of ATV's.

no-one
10-01-2004, 11:30 AM
>Oh? Is that why Bush kept going for his 30 seconds without asking Lehrer if it was ok?

and Kerry didnt? they both did, and most of the times i saw, Bush did it in response to Kerry's doing it, or vice-versa... anyway BLAME IT ON Lehrer he is totally weak as a moderator.

>He explained the crap that's been described as "flip-flopping"very well...

in my opinion he did not, though he did make a sound point on it, he trampled it on the next question. his execution of is points ruined most of them.

>Bush got fired up and frustrated because he couldn't answer the questions without a 15 second pause in the middle or going over his time.

huh? the questions were freaking retarded, and he got "fired up" because of Kerry.
and the questions requiring the same answer from him, being asked a dozen different ways...

i mean it appeared to me the questions were slated for Kerry, and not very well rounded... i mean being its his first debate you have to give him some breaks, but not in that manner.

this whole discussion now is retarded anyway because the debate was absolutely horrible.

Govtcheez
10-01-2004, 11:41 AM
> Bush did it in response to Kerry's doing it,

What? I don't recall seeing Kerry using the 30 seconds at the end without permission once.

> the questions were freaking retarded

Examples?

> i mean it appeared to me the questions were slated for Kerry

haha, ok. I'd like to see some of them.

no-one
10-01-2004, 11:47 AM
i didnt see bush do "that" exact thing either... nit picky... reguardless Lehrer did not enforce the debate format AT ALL. Any transgressions are his fault. PERIOD.

edit: btw: thats not what you asked in the first place

>Examples?

yes let me make some verbatum quotes out of memory real quick... no wait how bout you pick one...

edit: actually how bout the last one on "personal opinions" of each other...

>haha, ok. I'd like to see some of them.

uh, did you watch the debate, the questions gave Kerry FAR more flexibility in response...


why are we even bothering with this? this arguement is assinine opinionated bullI am sillyI am sillyI am sillyI am silly anyway... so i request dropping it before it gets stupid.

PJYelton
10-01-2004, 11:54 AM
To me it seemed Kerry was the calm debater who actually answered the questions as well as the attacks from Bush, while Bush seemingly seemed flustered and confused and answered every question with the same two points over and over and over again. Kerry explained the "Wrong war, wrong time" complaint well in my opinion as well as the flip-flopping argument, yet Bush just kept turning a blind ear to this and instead of coming up with new arguments just kept repeating the old ones.

I do agree that this debate was geared a little to much for Kerry though, 90% of it was on the war in Iraq which is fairly to easy to debate Bush screwed up on. I'll wait for the other debates on more domestic affairs to see if this trend seems to continue.

Govtcheez
10-01-2004, 11:56 AM
> 90% of it was on the war in Iraq

The debate was on foreign policy. Bush's only foreign policies are attacking terrorists and invading Iraq. What else should it have been on?

Govtcheez
10-01-2004, 11:59 AM
> btw: thats not what you asked in the first place

Yes it was.

> no wait how bout you pick one...

Burden of proof is on you. You made the claim.

> actually how bout the last one on "personal opinions" of each other...

Asking the personal opinions of each other is slated towards Kerry? How so?

> uh, did you watch the debate, the questions gave Kerry FAR more flexibility in response...

It's not his fault Bush has painted himself into a corner.

PJYelton
10-01-2004, 12:01 PM
I didn't mean to say that it was wrong, just that the fact that since this debate was on foreign policy it would obviously be in Kerry's favor. Gotta wait for the more domestic debates to see if my gut feeling over the two candidates debating skills continue.

no-one
10-01-2004, 12:16 PM
> Yes it was.

maybe in your head... thats not what the words said to me. my apologies for not being fluent in Govtcheez.

>Burden of proof is on you. You made the claim.

i made an example, the last one on their opinions of each other, besides there is no burden of proof anyways, i made a self-proving statement of opinion, expecting your watching of the debate to see it through, there is no need for sighting particulars, being all that i saw were in question, and that your seeing the debate and the questions solves that problem... thanks for trying to make this something more serious than it need to be.

>Asking the personal opinions of each other is slated towards Kerry? How so?

first that was a response to the charge of the questions being retarded... second does any one question sum up the debate?

>It's not his fault Bush has painted himself into a corner.

now thats just asinine


people get way to fired up over politics...

Govtcheez
10-01-2004, 12:44 PM
> thanks for trying to make this something more serious than it need to be.

Or, you could just mention the part where Kerry steamrolled Lehrer so he could get a quick 30 second rebuttal in.

> second does any one question sum up the debate?

Third that doesn't answer the question at all. If the debate was so obviously slanted towards Kerry, surely you could pick out one question that was unfair.

> people get way to fired up over politics.

You saying this is pretty funny, Admiral Allcaps.

no-one
10-01-2004, 12:53 PM
>Or, you could just mention the part where Kerry steamrolled Lehrer so he could get a quick 30 second rebuttal in.

then i could just let you do it... and answer a different question?!?!?
i think the topic on this one was, the questions being retarded, not the both of them steamrolling Lehrer for time to rebut.

>
Third that doesn't answer the question at all. If the debate was so obviously slanted towards Kerry, surely you could pick out one question that was unfair.
<

your confusing up all the questions?!??? anyway... your being... pardon, i dont mean it as an insult or anything... but your being obtuse.

>You saying this is pretty funny, Admiral Allcaps.

Aye Cap'n!!


Edit: furthermore the need for examples is unnecessary, being that it would "muddle" my point and they should be self exemplary. in any of these cases it is in my opinion unnecessary and assinine! to even ask for them... especially being they were broad statements not requireing "single" examples, the entirety as a WHOLE is in question... seriously... what the hell.

vasanth
10-01-2004, 01:52 PM
any online links for the complete video stream????

Jeremy G
10-01-2004, 02:21 PM
Did any one watch the after debate analysis (on fox i believe) where there were two guys (pro bush, pro kerry). And the pro bush asked the pro kerry about kerrys "flip floppy" stance on the war.

And they got into a funny as heck immature squable that was this cliche:
"Will you just let me answer?" -pro kerry
"ok, answer" -pro bush
"ok, I will, will you let me" - k
"ok, go " - b
"I will, just let me answer" -k
"ok, answer" - b
"are you gonna let me finish?" -k

I swear to god that is the exact transcript of the question....

exluddite
10-01-2004, 10:48 PM
Click (http://pennlive.com/newsflash/politics/background/index.ssf?0930_debate.html) for the transcript of the debate.

My favorite exchange....

Kerry:...there were three countries: Great Britain, Australia and the United States. That's not a grand coalition. We can do better.

LEHRER: Thirty seconds, Mr. President.

BUSH: Well, actually, he forgot Poland.


And should a president really refer to the president of Russia as "Vladamuhr"?

xddxogm3
10-01-2004, 10:59 PM
vasanth I agree.
if someone has a link to the full debate on video for free please post
i found it on cnn, but that is a pay service.

Jeremy G
10-02-2004, 08:04 AM
Click (http://pennlive.com/newsflash/politics/background/index.ssf?0930_debate.html) for the transcript of the debate.

My favorite exchange....

Kerry:...there were three countries: Great Britain, Australia and the United States. That's not a grand coalition. We can do better.

LEHRER: Thirty seconds, Mr. President.

BUSH: Well, actually, he forgot Poland.


And should a president really refer to the president of Russia as "Vladamuhr"?
To clarify this exchange,
in the very previous question to this one, bush was asked something along the lines of we had gone into the war alone. And bush said we werent alone, we had britin and... poland. Giving two sides of the extreme (lets face it, poland isn't know for its military power...) but he mentioned them to say were didnt go in alone unsupported.

Then in this following question kerry said we only went in with 3 supporters, and bush was all like
"Well actually you forgot poland". Which was very funny cause it made kerry look like an ass as bush had JUST said it.

VirtualAce
10-02-2004, 11:40 AM
Like CNN doesn't have BS addons.

Typical CNN format: Let's talk to <so_and_so_expert) who doesn't know one damn thing more about what we are talking about than you people at home do.
Half the time when the 'experts' get done talking I'm like....did they say anything we didn't already know.

I remember when they covered some plane crash in Florida. The expert was so intelligent that when asked what he thought happened.....he said something went terribly wrong. No kidding? And I thought the pilot just nosed her into the everglades for the heck of it. Very enlightening.

Zach L.
10-02-2004, 12:38 PM
My favorite line.

Bush: First of all, of course I know Osama bin Laden attacked us. I know that.
(But you really have to see the face he made at Kerry to get the full entertainment value.)

RoD
10-02-2004, 08:37 PM
Bush looked like a fish out of water, kerry was calm. I;m registering to vote and going Kerry. There would have to be amazing outlash of events in future debates to change my mind.

novacain
10-03-2004, 12:14 AM
In Australia voting is compulsory you get fined if you don't (even if you ar out of the country).

The major reason you are disqualified from voting is if you are still serving time for committing a crime.

As the two Australians in US custody in Camp X-Ray have not been convicted in the three years they have been held they get to VOTE!

Wonder if they know who is running?

Govtcheez
10-03-2004, 07:13 AM
> In Australia voting is compulsory you get fined if you don't

I'm glad it's not here. Enough uninformed people vote as it is.

> Like CNN doesn't have BS addons.

I didn't watch it on CNN. I watched it on CSPAN.

RoD
10-03-2004, 08:35 AM
one thing i didnt understand, bush kept saying alot of people in iraq are registered to vote....does that mean other countries are getting a say in who wins? if so wtf is that about? Did he just mean that they are getting to a democracy?

kermi3
10-03-2004, 08:42 AM
I'm listening to this debate for the first time right now (had no TV on Thurs). I'm only 45 min in, and I'm extremely tired of hearing "If I were to say this is the wrong war at the wrong place."

Bush is just repeating himself - and attacking Bush as he does it.

dayknight
10-03-2004, 10:37 AM
it will not make a difference if either bush or kerry wins.
damage has been done to iraq. and kerry said he would deal with terrorism "more effectively"....

R!ghtw!ng3r
10-03-2004, 07:32 PM
Well Bush didn't do as bad as people say, they just saw his facial expression and his slocuhed body on the podium and thought kerry did well. I don't really think kerry blew bush out of the water, i just think people thought bush did poorly, so kerry must have one.