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kermi3
11-21-2001, 05:26 PM
So I've been trying out Netscape 6.2, it's ok i guess, little faster than IE 6. But I'm used to IE 6 so heh. What do you all think? Favorite Browser?

lightatdawn
11-21-2001, 06:18 PM
This looks like a good excuse to complain about this...

Whats with downgrade from Netscape 4.0 to 6.2? :confused:
I upgraded after 4.0 kept crashing randomly for no apparent, logical, or patterned reason. 6.2 doesnt do this... but... Its slower. When you select "open in new window" it takes two to four seconds to even open the new bloody window. 4.0 did this instantly. Plus, certain graphics get "squished" on certain webpages (no pattern here either). For instance all of the "New Post" buttons on this web page have a white lne running through them. Does anyone else get this?

I also hate the whole "Remember the password for this page?" option window. Is netscape sinking to the aweful so-called "user-friendliness" of IE? Are they asking for security issues? I'll never use IE (Personally, I dont like opening my door to any Virus that wants in, but hey, each to his own) but i'm annoyed at the slow window opening of 6.2. Considering the number of windows i have open whenever i browse... Anywhere from 3 to 6 is the average. I dont like to wait.

... That was a long (and relativly pointless) reply... Ahh, well. I feel better now. :)

VirtualAce
11-21-2001, 06:38 PM
I switched to IE because Netscape kept crashing. Tried to use the new download of Netscape and could not even download files from certain sites. I could not stay on the Internet for more than about a half hour before Netscape performed some illegal operation and had to be shut down. With IE, no problems downloading and I can stay on the Internet for as long as I like. As for security issues I will say that IE is lacking but overall it is much better than buggy Netscape.

SilentStrike
11-21-2001, 06:56 PM
Opera

Honestly though, I use IE more than Opera. Still, opera is a better browser IMO.

Yoshi
11-21-2001, 06:56 PM
I often use StarOffice to get on the Net:D
A Clean Record for StarOffice.

However, IE 6 is still in my folder, though.:)
1 crash for IE 6.

The Worst choice is Konquerer in KDE. It can't even run plugin's.:mad:

Netscape is ... OK. It's the only bowser I can use in Linux that is workable.:eek:

Note: IE's does not run good in anything other than AMD and Intel.:o

biterman
11-22-2001, 01:14 AM
I believe that from a developers perspective Opera is simply the best. It's the only truly standard complaint browser there is. Although the last version i used (can't remember the #) didn't do clipping yet -which is really important for DHTML.

Opera is so standard compliant that running your page thru it is almost as good running it thru an html checker.

Netscape is just a pain in the ass -from the same perspective as before. IE is much better for DHTML, IMHO.

But, really, when it comes down to it, i use IE. Why? Because, as is to be expected, most people don't write good code and IE is very forgiving, whereas Opera is not; so badly coded pages display as intended in IE, they don't in Opera (which is in and of itself a good thing, but i do want to see the pages)

My point is... uhhh what was my point!?

Oh right! Opera!

adios,
biterman.

Camilo
11-22-2001, 11:10 AM
have anyone tried QNX's Voyager?
it is very nice and customizable.




Camilo
'trying it every day'

Flarelocke
11-22-2001, 12:57 PM
I use Mozilla--the prototype version of Netscape's 6.x series browser.

Yeah, it's got some performance issues, but in my case, I like it better than IE. Although opening a new window in IE is faster than in Mozilla, getting from clicking on the icon to actually being able to use the webpage is quite a bit longer in IE than on Mozilla(especially with Mozilla's precaching). I also use its mail/news client. It's got some problems(mainly in the interface area), but it's better than most programs.

Both Mozilla and Netscape 6.x are fully standards complient. Far more so than IE.(although some people would argue that IE IS the standard)

If you like Mozilla, but think it's too slow, you might want to try Galeon.

If you're using Linux, Konqueror might be a good choice.

The best thing about Mozilla IMHO is that you can disable javascript commands on a domain by domain basis. I disabled window.writeln, write, open, and create, which totally disables all popups anywhere(although you can make exceptions for domains that have useful popups.). Unfortunately, there's no UI for this yet.

lightatdawn
11-22-2001, 02:41 PM
I also use its mail/news client.

Ahh! Degone evil demon built-in mail client! *makes cross with fingers*
I dont understand why so few people use Netscape. Sure it may have a couple of issues (although i havent had a single crash since my upgrade to 6.2), but isnt having a few browser issues better then getting a virus and have global computer issues (such as not having one that works anymore). I have no virus scanner at all and the only time this computer ever had a virus was when my computer illiterate family member opened an e-mail attachment (.vbs extension.... *smacks forhead*) from someone she didnt even know. It took me days to manually hunt down and kill that sucker (the virus not the family member). The virus scanner i downloaded couldnt remove it, although it could find it. Wow, how useful is that? [/heavy sarcasm]

I have a friends who use IE and pretty have virus-a-day syndrome. I gave up on fixing their computers. I figure i'm not going to help someone whos basically doing it to theirself. One guy inparticular... Nothing that comes within a 10' radius of his computer even gets through my door.


you might want to try Galeon
Excuse my ignorance but... where do I get it? I've never even heard of it before.

Betazep
11-22-2001, 05:12 PM
Are you saying there are no exploits for Netscape browsers, l.a.d.?

I have never received a virus directly due to use of an IE browser, either. I use both Netscape 6.x and IE 6 considerably for web development.

I received a trojan via email once, as well, which my VS picked up rather quickly.

It sounds to me that your friend(s) has(have) a tough surfing regiment. I doubt that it directly relates to the abilities of the browsers.

Granted, more people write software to attack MS software than others, but since Netscape got bought up (AOL.. now AOL-Time Warner), I expect that an equal number of browser exploit viruses will be released if not already. Not to mention, Netscape is usually at the forefront of Js capabilities (and has been since the beginning of the browser war), and you can do a lot to screw with people with Javascript.

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Galeon = http://galeon.sourceforge.net/

but you need Gnome and Mozilla...

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Flarelocke
11-22-2001, 06:26 PM
Actually, IE has some "cutting edge" javascript functions like one to set your homepage. Gah. What a blatant exploit.

Netscape's not really into creating more "features" for their browser anymore. It's pretty much nothing more than standards compliant and backwards compatible with 4.7 special tags/functions.

Galeon is based on Mozilla's webpage rendering system, but without all the other stuff Mozilla has.

Fordy
11-22-2001, 06:37 PM
>>Not to mention, Netscape is usually at the forefront of Js capabilities (and has been since the beginning of the browser war), and you can do a lot to screw with people with Javascript.

Its notso much java or javascript that bothers me (the security sandbox is quite tight).....its activeX that is the real worry for me.....just think of all those bugs and viruses that are due to nasty commands being implemented by supposedly "safe for script" AX controls......

Just have a read about.... Look at how the "I love U" bug worked (a more or less simple vb script)......

oskilian
11-22-2001, 09:58 PM
I use IE6, but I also like IE2, I also have Netscape Navigator Gold 3, it rules!.

By the way, what does MSN Explorer do?

Oskilian

Betazep
11-23-2001, 12:51 AM
>>Its notso much java or javascript that bothers me (the security sandbox is quite tight).....its activeX that is the real worry for me.....just think of all those bugs and viruses that are due to nasty commands being implemented by supposedly "safe for script" AX controls...... <<

True true... most Js exploits have been nuisances *only*... for me.

I have only heard of problems with activeX. I never got around to learning much about it tho... so you have me at a loss there...:)

mfc2themax
11-23-2001, 01:04 AM
Mozilla

dirkduck
11-24-2001, 11:06 AM
Konquer is my favorite, although i wish it would ahve a loading cursor, so you can tell whena page is loading (instead of looking at the spinning thing in the top right ;))...thats prolly just cause im used to IE (5), as I use it when im on windows

Pendragon
11-25-2001, 04:54 AM
My favourite browser is Netscape 6.1. I've only just downloaded 6.2 and haven't reaslly tried it out yet. I hardly use IE now though I stil download the new versions when they come out through habit. I have Opera 5.12 too.


-Pendragon

Pendragon
11-25-2001, 06:10 AM
After comparing Netscape 6.2 and IE 6.0 now for the past four hours I have come to the conclusion that IE stinks. It is so slow and bitty.
I'm glad to be back with Netscape. ;) :p

Series X4 1.0
11-26-2001, 03:58 PM
For Linux: Mozilla is the favourite. Though I'm also using Konqueror and sometimes even Netscape.

For Windows: IE, Netscape, or Opera, it doesn't matter at all.

BTW, Pendragon, I do hope that you realize that it's very important that you answer my question. Do I sound like a psycho? :p Please...

doubleanti
11-26-2001, 07:31 PM
is there anything wrong with IE 6 that would apply to me? well you don't know my usage habits, but is there any general defect? wait, scratch that, 5.5... thanks...

sballew
11-26-2001, 09:22 PM
I have IE 5.5. Is that much different than IE 5??? or IE 6??
I have little experience with Netscape. I am not used to it. Prefer IE over Netscape.

*Michelle*
11-26-2001, 10:08 PM
I used to have IE 5.5. It was great! But then I switched to IE 6.0, thinking it is newer and should be better... BUT I WAS WRONG... It kept on showing this "Internet Explorere has caused an error (or something like this)" and it asks whether I want to send an error report to Microsoft. Every time after that happens a new browser opens up. This usu. happens when I close of a browser... It is SO annoying and the old one (5.5) doesn't do that... The browser at my school (also 6.0) doesn that error thing too... I wonder if any of you experienced that...

gnu-ehacks
11-26-2001, 10:33 PM
Hmmmm...I have been using Microsoft Internet Explorer for as long as I can remember, except for when I had America Online, but even then, I still used Internet Explorer sometimes.

Since I've gotten Windows 2000, I've been using Internet Explorer 6.0, and I've never noticed the problem that you have experienced Michelle...Maybe it's some website that you go to that contains a virus or something? Could be anything... :)

oskilian
11-26-2001, 10:37 PM
I have IE 6 (the one that comes with XP pro) and I've also had the problem Michelle haves, but I also had the same thing with IE 5 on Windows 98 SE, the difference is that it didn't let me send the error through the internet (like IE6 really DID send the error report :( )

Michelle: Do you have Visual Studio 6 and/or Microsoft Office 2000 ?

Oskilian

*Michelle*
11-26-2001, 10:43 PM
no, I don't have neither... I have Windows ME...

Ah, this is a spam post! I can't help it tho, sorry sorry...

oskilian
11-26-2001, 10:48 PM
I don't think that was a spam post!, we are still talking about Internet Browsers, aren't we?

Well, what my help files said is that if you had either of these programs, you should download the latest bugfix, I think you should do so too, but for Windows ME.

it should be on your "Start" menu, but if you don't, the address is http://windowsupdate.microsoft.com

Oskilian

*Michelle*
11-26-2001, 10:51 PM
did it work? I mean did it solve the problem and the stupid pop ups doesn't appear again? (SPAM! (-_- ) <-- this is a face by the way, can you see it?)

gnu-ehacks
11-26-2001, 10:52 PM
So...Does anybody know the exact problem that this program is having? I'm just curious.

Betazep
11-26-2001, 10:52 PM
>>I don't think that was a spam post!,



I don't think so either. I just went back from 6.0 to 5.5 because I couldn't use it to do my online courses...

Go figure. I thought it would be better too.

*Michelle*
11-26-2001, 10:57 PM
really you can go back? How do you do that? I want to go back too... I don't know of anything so far that 5.5 can't do and 6.0 can...

oskilian
11-26-2001, 11:02 PM
>really you can go back? How do you do that? I want to go back too... I don't know of anything so far that 5.5 can't do and 6.0 can... <

ahh, it has a nice big star as the "Favorites" icon, that's worth it. but You can uninstall Internet Explorer 6

>did it work? I mean did it solve the problem and the stupid pop ups doesn't appear again?<

I don't know, my connection is too slow to download those big updates (anything over 2 Mb is insane for me to download)

Oskilian

Cruxus
11-27-2001, 09:06 PM
In my time on the Internet, I have experimented with a variety of browsers. I have tried practically every signicant release of Internet Explorer for Windows 95/98/etc. from version 1.0 up to 5.5. Soon enough, I will be using Internet Explorer 6.0 on my new Windows XP computer. Right now, on this old box, I have IE 5.0 installed; I have not downloaded any newer versions because download times are far too long on a slow dial-up connection (26,400 bits per second is the fastest connection!).

I have tried nearly every version of Netscape Navigator/Communicator from a Win16 release of Navigator 1.1, Personal Edition, that came with a Windows 95 computer way back when to Netscape Communicator version 4.7x or so, skipping the 2.xx releases. The first modern version I tried was Netscape Navigator 3.01, which was the latest when I got Internet Access (IE 3.01 was the latest at the time also).

I have tried Opera versions 2.xx, 3.xx, 4.xx, and 5.xx; and I feel that it is pretty good; but it still isn't free like the others! I have also tried NCSA Mosaic 3.0 for Win32 and builds of Lynx 2.7.x or so for Win32 and a few other, less popular Win32 browsers.

When I dabbled with Dynamic HTML a few years ago, I found IE 4.0x's support for CSS (Cascading Style Sheets) to be much better than Netscape 4.0x's.

Basically, I prefer IE to Netscape or the less popular alternatives.

DavidP
11-27-2001, 10:34 PM
I have always been a Netscape supporter, and always will be (even though I do like IE 6). My reasons for that come from the Win95 days when IE would stall my comp every single time I used it. No matter what happens with IE, I know that Netscape will always be a reliable internet browser that I can count on and use any time. I love it. Always have. Always will.

*Michelle*
11-28-2001, 02:30 AM
But Netscape is SO sloooowww...

I prefer IE so much more, well, sorry if I offended you...

And there are lots of cool little webpage tricks that can't be displayed in Netscape... It sucks... Probably most of the sites now have "IE only" icons and not "Netscape only" icons... So, I like IE better...

We have Netscape on our library comps and I never go there to surf the net... We have IE in the comp classrooms tho... thank god...

gamegod3001
11-28-2001, 07:36 AM
I use internet explorer 6 at home, and it has only given me one error, but Proxomation gives me a ton of errors since upgradding (I think IE 6 just passes the errors)

Here at school, we use IE 5 and have not had any problems, but it crashed a lot on my computer.

I tried Opera, but it preforms an Illegal operation.

lightatdawn
11-28-2001, 02:44 PM
But Netscape is SO sloooowww...
... ... Ecxept... Its faster then IE.... :confused:


Probably most of the sites now have "IE only" icons
I've never seen that... Do you have an specific site you could mention? Theres never been a single page ever that Netscape doesnt open...

*Michelle*
11-28-2001, 08:43 PM
Well, there are lots of web page effects that doesn't work with Netscape. Like the "Snow" effect and stuff... And there are all these "IE only" icons for download in the "material" sites. You know, some sites let you save materials for webpage building? I've never seen a site with "netscape" only... Maybe I am not knowlegeable enough to comment on that, but that's what I think...

And Netscape IS slower than IE...

oskilian
11-29-2001, 05:10 PM
no, Netscape IS slower than IE, and, for example one of the -only ie- tricks ir the <marquee> tag, and it doesn't have full JavaScript support.

what I dislike about IE is that it sometimes keeps on downloading the page even if you have already saiid "Stop"

Oskilian

DavidP
11-29-2001, 07:10 PM
Netscape IS NOT slower than IE, and I dont know WHERE you get that information from. Have you ever tried Netscape? Things load up in the same amount of time, if not faster, using Netscape. Speed depends on your connection, not on your browser. Browsers hardly effect speed.

*Michelle*
11-29-2001, 08:14 PM
>what I dislike about IE is that it sometimes keeps on downloading the page even if you have already saiid "Stop" <

This probably has something to do with your computer, not IE...

>Netscape IS NOT slower than IE, and I dont know WHERE you get that information from. Have you ever tried Netscape? Things load up in the same amount of time, if not faster, using Netscape. Speed depends on your connection, not on your browser. Browsers hardly effect speed.<

'Corse, I have... Or else why would I say that... I used to have Netscape AND IE on my comp. but then Netscape got so slow I uninstalled it... It is even more significan in my school computers...

oskilian
11-29-2001, 08:28 PM
>Have you ever tried Netscape

duh, of course I have, why would I be saying something like this?

the reason netscape is slower is because it has a lower number of maximum connections at the same time than IE, and Netscape immediately downloads all images, while IE does it , but gives the web page connection more priority than the image threads.

that gives you the sensation that Netscape is slower... (on slow connections, of course)

>This probably has something to do with your computer, not IE...
why? it started when I got XP and IE6... oh, sorry, what I meant is that I dislike that from IE6

Oskilian

*Michelle*
11-29-2001, 09:01 PM
I dunno, I just thought that perhaps, your computer is not fast enought to react right after you clicked the stop button...

It happens to me too, sometimes... The trick is you have to click the button before the page starts loading... Like when I open IE and don't want to go to the home webpage, I click stop right after the window pops up and before the page start loading... After it starts loading, it is hard to stop it right away, unless you have a real fast computer, nothing to do with the connection...

oskilian
11-29-2001, 09:11 PM
No, I'm sure it stops, the problem happens when I try to open a new location in the same window, it tries to download what was missing (images, mostly) from the first site, and since my connection is so slow, I don't get to open the othre location, so sometimes I have to go to about:blank, and than load the other page

Oskilian

*Michelle*
11-29-2001, 09:19 PM
Oh, really? I still think it's your computer tho, cause the stop button only send command for the comp and not the internet connection... It was so busy dl ing the stuff from the first page that it leaves the "load other page" command till later...

oskilian
11-29-2001, 09:29 PM
well, I might consider that.

But, I found that thing about Explorer 6, it's in spanish, but I'll translate it for you:

IEXPLORE.EXE

IEXPLORE.EXE has detected a problem and must close

If you're in the middle of a process, you might lose the information you're working with.
Report this problem to Microsoft
An error report has been created, it can be sent to improve IEXPLORE.EXE. The report will be treated as confidential and anonymous

To see the data this error report has, click here

Debug
Send Error report
Don't send

*Michelle*
11-29-2001, 11:33 PM
YES! That's it, that's the one I get all the time... It's annoying...

And how did you make your window look so nice? You know the blue on the top and all that... Oh, is it from Windows XP? Aww...that means I can't make it look like that...wa

Yoshi
11-30-2001, 06:27 PM
See, Windows XP is worse than Windows 2000 / 9x / ME / 3.x

Windows XP does not support any lower versions of windows. It cannot create the icons because all the installations uses the Win95 install.

SimCity 3000 cannot run in anything higher than ME, it will say "Error."

Starcraft cannot install in Windows XP.

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