View Full Version : Australian Hacker faces US law

09-13-2004, 08:38 AM
This aussie hacker is "eligible for extradition to the United States" for "conspiricy to commit copyright infringment" In a way its kind of good to see that. It helps deter people from just moving illegal internet practises to countries that dont enforce such laws (though in this case Australia does have similar law). On the other hand it seems like the country where the crime was commited should deal with the criminal in a proper fasion.

Do you agree with extradition to the US for breaking laws over the internet? Personally, im a fence sitter at the moment; i can see both sides of the argument for what they're worth.


edit: missed a "

09-13-2004, 09:11 AM
Actually its quite interesting all this but if i was in charge of "the law" i would say that suppose i copy dutch software illegally and without copyright
then i should stand trial for this in The Netherlands, supposing it was American software then in America...

I hope you get what im saying because even to me it doenst seems to make sense at this point...

Anyway something like that would be much better IMHO unfortunately its impossible to give a "hacker" (whatever you define it...) the joy of going around the globe for free,since he probably copyrighted more then one software coming from more then one country....

All this is sad but true not possible...
What concerns me I donīt like people who copyright or whatever, an example of this:

Last time my friend said he had a nice game called Tactical Ops, the game itself is a mod of Unreal Tournament ( not Unreal Tournament 2004 ), the game costs like 4.99 Euro in the shops and is without any cd-key, even playing it on the internet doesnt require a key and you dont pass any check (except for anti-cheat stuff)...Anyway all of this is already marvelous for the insanely low price of 4.99 Euro...
( you should also know this guy is a IT student..) He said wether he should copy it for me or not, i said no and he was surprised, i explained to him that he should imagine that he himself is an IT professional creating games or software, now one silly dude comes around the block and start copying your software.
His response to that was" Ahh these companys still make profit out of it". True i have to agree most of the time they make alot of profit...

"But" I told him suppose thereīs not that much profit well then you will not enjoy the next generation of this game since there will not be enough funding for the next project/game...

At the end of it all he was actually making fun of me and telling me to get lost...
Well i dont know maybe its me or just the whole society but alot of ppl do copy everything (not solely for personal use ).

Just my 2 cents on this thread with a personal touch of Ganglylamb flavor:p .



09-14-2004, 12:18 AM
Unless im just missing something... I dont see why the US should have any part in this guys case.

Wasnt it his "friend" that was in the united states? If I read it right then the US should be after his friend and not this guy. New Wales should worry about him. Or better yet, whoever the offense was against.

09-14-2004, 12:02 PM
^ thank you captain obvious.

I dont feel the US has any right to extradite here.

09-14-2004, 01:46 PM
Oh look!!! there goes the U.S. sticking their noses into ....NONE OF THEIR BUSINESS!!

How annoying.

09-14-2004, 02:19 PM
i find it sad, that national barriers destroyed by the internet should be brought back up in this way. on one hand its a good thing, because with organised crime getting into the net through eastern europe (who have 1) mafia 2) lax net laws) there have to be effective ways to fight this i read an article recently on mafias who racket casinos with DDoS threats :(. on another hand, the US are going on another criminal cruise picking up any exotic offenders they might find in other countries and saying they "attacked america". ok that last part might be a bit exteme, but you get my point (i hope)

09-15-2004, 01:16 AM
First up 'Drink or Die' was a huge operation that made them millions.

Second I have no sympathy for software pirates.

BUT this should be a case for either Australian courts or the International Courts (IJC). Except the US is not a member.
This offence was commited internationally, not in the US or Australia.

Why? To avoid this guy being tried twice for the same offence.

Do you think that if the situation was reversed the US would allow a US citizen to be tried in Australia? The answer is no.

Look at the US POW abusing guards in Iraq. Why were they not tried in Iraq (as that is where and against whom, the crime was commited)?

Besides the Bush admin has already stated that non US citizens are not entitled to the same rights as US citizens (as per the Aussies D Hicks and M Habib). Therefore the Australian courts should decide that there is a possibility that the level of justice (due process) required by Australian law MAY not be given in a US court to a non US citizen.

09-15-2004, 02:20 AM
Extradition seems like it could be a bit extreme but in a way it seems like the right thing to do. I guess I'm a fence sitter to :)

09-15-2004, 02:45 AM
I agree he should be punished, but why here.. ( in the US )