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Victor
08-31-2004, 08:57 AM
Hi!
I'm wondering if i should learn Spanish. Is it a good idea? Has anyone from cboard ever learnt it? If so have you ever had to use it? To guys from usa is it really popular there?
Maybe i should learn german or ...?

ober
08-31-2004, 09:25 AM
Spanish would be an OK language to learn. And it depends on where you are in the US... some regions have very large spanish-speaking areas. Others don't.

I would probably take Spanish over any other choice except for maybe Latin, which would be the root for expanding to other languages.

I took 3 years of it in high school, but I couldn't speak it if I had to.

adrianxw
08-31-2004, 09:36 AM
I started Spanish last year. Deciding which language to learn depends on your motive for doing so. There are an awful lot more Spanish speakers in the world than German for example.

If you are in Europe, Germany is a big market, and the majority of business is conducted in German. In most of South America, also a growing market, Spanish is used, (not Brazil or the Guyanas).

Another huge market is China of course, but the chinese are making an effort to make sure their business types speak English, typically, many of them speak better English then some members here!

abyssphobia
08-31-2004, 09:39 AM
well you can practice with me!!!
Its my native lenguage
I will be glad.
So I think its a pretty good lenguage. :D

EvBladeRunnervE
08-31-2004, 10:26 AM
I would say that the major languages anyone who is getting into computers should learn are : Mandarin Chinese(Cantonese is dying out thanks to big-wigs in Beijing), Japanese, and Hindi. All of these languages can probably be learned to fluency within a decade depending how hard you work on it, and what you local population demographics are(for example, if you live in an area that is mostly Chinese, then you can probably find someone willing to help you more than if you were in an area with barely any Chinese).

In the US; however, I would say that you should definitely learn spanish as probably in 20 years that will be the majority of the population(see what hatred for birth control gets ya, ;) ).

MisterSako
09-01-2004, 05:42 PM
i gotta take 3 yeas of foreign language which ima start next year. im probally gnna do spanish i hear its really similar to english from my sisters.

tho i wish i didnt have to take it at my school. 1/2 of the spanish class is learning abuot spanish cultures and such, isnt the idea to learn to speak spanish? not learn about spanish speaking countries? i could take some socal studies class if i wanted ot learn about spain or mexico or something

Perspective
09-01-2004, 06:52 PM
tho i wish i didnt have to take it at my school. 1/2 of the spanish class is learning abuot spanish cultures and such, isnt the idea to learn to speak spanish? not learn about spanish speaking countries?

understanding the culture helps to use the language properly. If you speak spanish words in an english context you'll either A) not make sense, B) make sense but insult someone, or C) get lucky and it all works out.

...at least thats the way it was when i was learning japanese.

abyssphobia
09-01-2004, 09:16 PM
i gotta take 3 yeas of foreign language which ima start next year. im probally gnna do spanish i hear its really similar to english from my sisters.

tho i wish i didnt have to take it at my school. 1/2 of the spanish class is learning abuot spanish cultures and such, isnt the idea to learn to speak spanish? not learn about spanish speaking countries? i could take some socal studies class if i wanted ot learn about spain or mexico or something

I can help you to understand my culture sent me a pm, Im taking the college in USA, Its my first semester, I would be glad to help you, I also help you with the spanish, Yo lo hablo perfectamente me daria un gustaso ayudarte, If You want, In my spare time, I have a lot of free time, so , contact me, you or any who would be interested, totally free, Im glad to participate with this community, I love this board, Its my only board that I belong, and don't hesitate, Im glad to help, and also I could talk about programming :D

-------------------------abyssphobia-------------------

Lurker
09-04-2004, 11:15 AM
You should ABSOLUTELY, DEFINITELY learn a new language. Learning about languages has been the best thing I've ever done, and I think it is extremely fun. Most jobs will move you up MUCH higher on their list just for knowing another language. You will also learn much more about English. I hope to make a career in languages; who knows, you might turn out to like them just as much too!

-=SoKrA=-
09-04-2004, 11:26 AM
Yo lo hablo perfectamente me daria un gustaso ayudarte

I'm not sure from where you are, but where I live (usually, now I'm in .de) that would be "Yo lo hablo perfectamente, me daría un gustazo ayudarte"

Anyway, Spanish is the second language in number of speakers, so it would be useful (it of course depends where you go).

EvBladeRunnervE
09-04-2004, 12:49 PM
Anyway, Spanish is the second language in number of speakers

link please? I don't think there are more than 1.2 billion speakers of it(the amount that speak Mandarin)

Lurker
09-04-2004, 04:02 PM
Chinese as a whole is number 1. Spanish as a whole is number two, and I believe that is followed by English.

linuxdude
09-04-2004, 04:59 PM
link please? I don't think there are more than 1.2 billion speakers of it(the amount that speak Mandarin) but how many people have you seen that speak only mandarin, or very little English only knowing mandarin. Personally I see more spanish people

EvBladeRunnervE
09-04-2004, 07:19 PM
well number one language overall is English(as this is like 1.7 billion speakers, since every country pretty much requires the people to learn english), then Mandarin, then Spanish.

abyssphobia
09-04-2004, 09:39 PM
I'm not sure from where you are, but where I live (usually, now I'm in .de) that would be "Yo lo hablo perfectamente, me daría un gustazo ayudarte"


You are right, ;) Well some times I eat words, sorry, or forgot the accent like árbol (tree) sometimes I put arbol, but In my country it doesn't matter, Its odd to find a person that put all the accents.

Bonus: a general rule in spanish is that all the words with "on" at the end has to be accent.
examples:

León (lion)
camión (truck)
avión (airplane, aircraft)

So easy, I encourge to learn spanish!! :D Bye
and If you have troubles with it, I am just rigth here with all the kind of explanations. Good Luck.
Ta ta for now.

-=SoKrA=-
09-05-2004, 06:20 AM
link please? I don't think there are more than 1.2 billion speakers of it(the amount that speak Mandarin)
Damn, I allways forget about that.
Ok, so I'll just say it's in the top-5. It's been a long time since I've seen any statistics so I have no idea exactly where it is. The post was based on some really old data I had.

You of course have to take into consideration that not everyone speaks only one language, but still, you can never say for sure...

>Its odd to find a person that put all the accents.

I just got used to writing properly :)

Lurker
09-05-2004, 10:09 AM
well number one language overall is English(as this is like 1.7 billion speakers, since every country pretty much requires the people to learn english), then Mandarin, then Spanish.

I sure hope you got that from somewhere respectable, because I didn't know we got over half a billion english speakers in the past five years....

If you did make that up, like I suspect, then you are most definetely wrong. What do you mean, "since every country pretty much requires the people to learn english"? If you believe that, you have a pretty distorted idea of foreign peoples. There are some buisness people that learn english in foreign countries, but as a whole, Spain, France, Israel, Germany, much of Africa, Greece, and many other countries want essentially nothing to do with it. Many do not want a language with such complex pronunciation rules - if every people started learning it today in those countries, we wouldn't have very many understandable english speakers until about 2 generations, when the kids are taught proper english in schools and by parents.

EvBladeRunnervE
09-05-2004, 10:27 AM
"since every country pretty much requires the people to learn english"? If you believe that, you have a pretty distorted idea of foreign peoples. There are some buisness people that learn english in foreign countries, but as a whole, Spain, France, Israel, Germany, much of Africa, Greece, and many other countries want essentially nothing to do with it.

uhm, I have friends from China and Israel, and I can definitely tell you they require English in their public school systems. In Israel, it is part of most High Schools graduation exam.

I will admit my figure is quite wrong, I consent defeat to you:

http://www.ethnologue.com/show_language.asp?code=ENG

however, spanish is number 3:

http://www.ethnologue.com/show_language.asp?code=SPN


we wouldn't have very many understandable english speakers until about 2 generations, when the kids are taught proper english in schools and by parents.

That is pretty damn racist of you to say. Every person I know that was born in China and came here before their 30s knows and speaks English just as good if not better than a lot of native speakers.

English might be a dirty language, but English is actually one of the easier languages to get away with mispronunciation and still get your point across.

Lurker
09-05-2004, 10:38 AM
I wasn't trying to be racist, I was being true. English is a hard language to learn. Yes, kids not yet at puberty pick up languages in a heartbeat, but it takes years for an adult to learn a language fluently, and if they are not interested in the language itself, they will most likely have a bad pronunciation. When you have someone who really WANTS to learn the language, they can pick up a fluent, native pronunciation.

EDIT: Most Americans who don't truly want to learn a language would not be interested in pronunciation, and end up with a bad dialect of their own. I'm talking about people learning languages in general, not just Americans, especially when they are as grammatically hard as English or other similar languages.

EvBladeRunnervE
09-05-2004, 10:53 AM
EDIT: Most Americans who don't truly want to learn a language would not be interested in pronunciation, and end up with a bad dialect of their own. I'm talking about people learning languages in general, not just Americans, especially when they are as grammatically hard as English or other similar languages.

exactly, like for example Arabic, it is a real pain in the butt to learn; however, if you really want to learn it, you can fool even native speakers(like John Walker Lindgh did)>

-=SoKrA=-
09-06-2004, 06:08 AM
I find that when you learn another language, its nice to speak now and again but after a while, it gets really boring.

Jimbob
Specially when you need to speak it so you can get food, clothes, a place to live, work... :P

It depends on what you do with the language. You could use it just to get more money/a better job, but it is also a part of a whole other culture, and people need to see other cultures (even if just a hint) to really understand that there are other people and other cultures and that you need to respect them.

If you really want to learn a lanuage you need to go to a country where people speak it (and I mean as a mother-tongue). You can still have a pretty decent level if you don't, but it becomes easier in the country (that's what I gather from personal experience).

Oh, and Lurker, in Spain you are required to take English untill you finish, which is at 18 (or 20 in some cases) , that is, if you are still there (it's only compulsore untill 16).
Really, we're only required to take _a_ foreign (sp?) language, but unless you live in a place where there a lot of people that want another language you don't stand a chance of getting that other language, and since Spain is basically composed of small towns and/or villages, not many people have the oportunity to study other languages seriosly (you can get french as an option, but that's 2 hours per week, which is absolutely crap for a language).