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GanglyLamb
08-04-2004, 07:21 PM
Hey everyone,

I dont know wether somebody already posted this one, if so my bad. Anyhow as i was browsing on my favorite security group site (http://www.astalavista.com) i stumbled in onto this (http://www.astalavista.com/?section=dir&act=dnd&id=2430)

I have not checked these things myself on my system but i will asap. Now as said in my second link this think can cause one kind of trouble indeed.

Now im asking myself, how much should we believe in their products. As in how do we know wether its doing what we want, since it can obviously ( as you all know as programmers ) do other things on the background at the same time.

Anyhow i was just wondering i dont know what you guys think about this....

PS: I didnt want to put the link in here just anyhow since i don't know wether it is against the rules of the board or not ( i should read them again since i think there ought to be some changes in one year).

Bye for now,

Ganglylamb

XSquared
08-04-2004, 07:51 PM
Yer link is broken. Here's what it became: http://www.I am sillyI am sillyI am sillyI am sillymicrosoft.com/content/ms-hidden-files.shtml

GanglyLamb
08-04-2004, 08:07 PM
My bad sry fixed link ( redirection trough security group ), im off i want to check this thing see if its one kind of hoax or not...

Nite nite, for everyone who goes to sleep.

ganglylamb

-KEN-
08-04-2004, 08:36 PM
HahahahahahahahasasdhasjhfaKFHDASFDAS

Oh noes!! M$$ is INDEXING your FILES!!

God do I hate that site. Weak stuff. Nothing to get alarmed over.

Felix
08-05-2004, 03:14 PM
Well, some months ago I read something on a friend's site about how the next Microsoft would require online registration etc. for a lot of installs. So he switched to Linux. I'll see if I can get it.

sean
08-05-2004, 04:42 PM
I'm with -KEN- on this one.

LloydUzari
08-05-2004, 05:43 PM
I was bored and looked into it, and looky what I found... One of the files tells windows to send something to this file on 66.185.95.130.


wpad.dat: (wordpad?)

function FindProxyForURL(url, host)
{
if (shExpMatch(host, "wustat.windows.com")||
shExpMatch(host, "www.torontomls.net")||
shExpMatch(host, "v4.windowsupdate.*")||
shExpMatch(url, "http://www.microsoft.com/isapi/redir.dll*")||
shExpMatch(url, "http://www.torontomls.net/Login.asp*")||
shExpMatch(host, "windowsupdate.*"))

return "DIRECT";

if (url.substring(0, 5) == "http:" || url.substring(0, 4) == "ftp:") return "PROXY cache:8080; DIRECT";

return "DIRECT";

}

What exactly would that do, I can tell its in C or C++, but I cant tell what it does. Just thought I could post ^^

-KEN-
08-05-2004, 08:58 PM
Looks more like Java than C or C++. Where did that file come from again?

okinrus
08-05-2004, 10:38 PM
What exactly would that do, I can tell its in C or C++, but I cant tell what it does. Just thought I could post ^^

I believe this is in javascript.

XSquared
08-05-2004, 10:42 PM
WPAD = Web Proxy Auto Detect. It is just another way of configuring proxy servers.

EvBladeRunnervE
08-06-2004, 07:35 AM
Well, some months ago I read something on a friend's site about how the next Microsoft would require online registration etc. for a lot of installs. So he switched to Linux. I'll see if I can get it.


wont matter much with the whole palladium idea which has intel and AMD coming on the bandwagon. do a google search for "Trusted Computing Initiative" and read what comes up. Basically to summarize, there are going to be anti piracy measures incorperated directly in your hardware which will only let programs that are "registered" with the hardware to run. This could mean that programmers would be plain out of luck unless they are professionals and have hardware that allows them to run new software unregistered.

vasanth
08-06-2004, 08:11 AM
We have mod chips for Xbox now same way we might have mods for those systems..

EvBladeRunnervE
08-06-2004, 08:19 AM
We have mod chips for Xbox now same way we might have mods for those systems..

the implementatons are going to be IN the cpu... I dont think anyone has laser etching systems for that.

sean
08-06-2004, 08:30 AM
Well what about reverse compatibility? I mean, my collection of old adventure games isn't going to be registered, and neither is anything else I own. You'd have to buy all new software if you wanted to upgrade.

Waldo2k2
08-06-2004, 09:08 AM
Not a big deal, just don't use IE, that's a given.

But I just don't trust any company that sells an OS like that. If I pay 200 bucks for something, it damn well better work and not have security patches up the arse every month.

I don't think MS could get away with making you register every piece of software you own, that's waaaaay overboard. People wouldn't do it, and their sales would suffer. It doesn't matter how bad they want to put a stranglehold on their customers, if they start dissappearing they'll stop.

EvBladeRunnervE
08-06-2004, 09:24 AM
I don't think MS could get away with making you register every piece of software you own, that's waaaaay overboard. People wouldn't do it, and their sales would suffer. It doesn't matter how bad they want to put a stranglehold on their customers, if they start dissappearing they'll stop.

you and I would stop, but what about the average consumer. remember, when XP came out, alot of people were expecting the consumers to flip the bird at MS and leave, but it turned out to be one of the most popular(and most liked) of their OSs.

Waldo2k2
08-06-2004, 09:41 AM
that is true, but registering a product you bought from microsoft to microsoft is one thing, registering my C&C generals with them is something totally different, its not their business, and I know for a fact that companies would not do it.

bludstayne
08-06-2004, 11:24 AM
couldn't you just make an "emulator" that is in fact registered, then have it run your programs? Sort of like an extra layer if you will?

Waldo2k2
08-06-2004, 11:51 PM
it's called wine, it runs windows programs under linux :)

...
had an idea...has anyone tried to boot windows under bochs or vmware??

vasanth
08-07-2004, 06:23 AM
has anyone tried to boot windows under bochs or vmware??I have tried Windows 98 under VMware and works good but really slow.. and it was VMware on windows not on linux.. so i ran windows on windows :D:D

sean
08-07-2004, 07:15 AM
Well if this is a hardware issue, emulators are probably not going to get around it until you have emulators specifically made for this OS. It sounds as though reverse compatibility is going to be non-existent (see my earlier post) if they go ahead with this. Programs will have to be made for this OS and this OS only.

Brian
08-07-2004, 04:43 PM
Astalavista is a script kiddy site.

Speedy5
08-08-2004, 04:41 PM
If you actually look up real information about Palladium; now called Next-Generation Secure Computing Base for Windows, part of Microsoft's Trustyworthy Computing Initiative. It actually seems like a great idea. Palladium will be turned off by default and is 100% backwards-compatible with applications that do not use the new security features. It encrypts all data transfers from Trusted Agents (Palladium-secured applications) so that way it'll be impossible to hack, even at the hardware level, since its also tightly integrated with hardware as well. These applications would have to be signed by a security authority, much like today's security systems. Microsoft would not be one. Its not related to DRM (Digital Rights Management). And in addition, Microsoft themselves said that it won't stop you from listening to MP3s or illegal DVDs. The only thing it does is secure data transfers under your authority and stops illegal applications under your discretion.

Let me tell ya, this is all going to sound really, really good to all those companies and people who were slammed by viruses in the past. It will get adopted. And it doesn't harm the average user as: a) its there to protect you; b) it doesn't gather personal data; c) encrypts your chosen data; d) non-Palladium apps can still be developed and work; d) its turned off by default.

Here's the Microsoft source (http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/features/2002/jul02/0724palladiumwp.asp).

Brian
08-09-2004, 03:32 PM
so that way it'll be impossible to hack,

Hehe

Zach L.
08-09-2004, 03:46 PM
Here's the Microsoft source.
Aww... Getting my hopes up... You should be careful using the word source on a programming board. :p

Felix
08-10-2004, 10:08 AM
Now I remember! TCPA.

EvBladeRunnervE
08-12-2004, 01:59 PM
well, I find it rather rediculous that anyone would actually trust hardware that has this type of setup in it. To compare it to something, read Bubba's post regarding his cell-phone.