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CodeNinja
07-15-2004, 09:48 AM
Isn't it interesting how the human body jumps from one adiction to another.

When I quit wanking I started coding/doing drugs to get my mind off of it.

Also, when I made myself quit playing video games (they waste time) I started coding more/doing more drugs.

It's wierd, I know that a lot of drug addicts get addicted to sugar in rehab because they jump from one addiction to another. I don't think it's the addiction that is the key to it, but the lack of self control. I think everyone has their own amount, and we pick up a certain number of addictions depending on that amount.

DavidP
07-15-2004, 10:00 AM
I believe that is one of the main goals in life: to learn to master your self.

Sure, we can master C or C++, or we can master Calculus and Algebra, or we can master Physics or Biology, or we can master piano or vocal techniques, but the one thing that the majority of the human population has not been able to do is to master themselves.

It is not an easy thing to do, however, I believe it is very possible and very real. Most of the human population has given up, and given in to urges that become very addictive, self-gratifying, and destructive: such as pornography, drugs, and desensitizing media.

Of course I could be flamed for speaking out against such things, but can you really deny that pornography is an addiction, and that many people stare at it for hours on end only to gratify themselves when they could be doing something so much more productive, which in turn could lead to a better and happier life? And the exact same situation occurs with drugs.

I find that the best way to stay away from such addictions is to keep yourself active. Never be idle. When you are idle you become bored, and when you become bored your mind begins to think of ways to ease that boredom, and slowly it will give way to such things as these things that cause such addictions. Then, you test them out once. You might be free from them for awhile after that, but days or even months later decide to test it out again, and then again, and again, until you cannot keep yourself away from it.

Stay active and productive. We computer programmers probably have one of the hardest times doing that. Admit it, we all enjoy to relax on our computers, surf the web, code up some cool programs, etc. There is nothing wrong with that, as long as it does not lead to idleness. For example, at my current job, I found myself able to finish all the work I have been given in a very short amount of time. Therefore, I was idle for a large amount of the day. Of course I could have done several things to ease the idleness, but instead I acted, and I created 2 webdatabase, did major revisions to my website, created my friend's online modeling portfolio, and made huge leaps on the progress of my game. I feel since then that I have been very productive and happy.

Self control is definitely something every person on this planet needs to work on, and if every one master themselves I think this world would be a much better place indeed, but I doubt that will happen any time soon because people have just given in to their addictions, pleasures, and ways of life. They do not want to change.

P.S. A good book to read on "change" is Who Moved My Cheese? by Spencer Johnson.

axon
07-15-2004, 10:01 AM
dude, who the hell are you and where the hell did you come from?? don't answer - just go baack there and don't show up here again...

sean
07-15-2004, 12:25 PM
Axon's not addicted to porn. He can stop whenever he wants, he just chooses not to.

DavidP
07-15-2004, 01:29 PM
all drugs do different things

some drugs are extremely bad for your health, and can cause death, especially if taken in high doses.

other drugs are not quite as bad for your health, and you might be able to lead a relatively healthy life even while taking those drugs.

but almost all drugs are addictive, and an addiction takes away your right to choose, or your free agency. when you are addicted to something you must have it, and you will go through any means to get it. it overpowers any decision-making logical sensibilities you might have. your ability to choose logically is taken away from you.

that is why drugs used for medical purposes are prescribed by doctors, so that:

1. the patient does not overdose and become seriously ill or die
2. the patient does not become addicted

adrianxw
07-15-2004, 01:37 PM
Question for all of you over 40, do you remember what age you were when the the real world struck and your idealism went out the door?

Govtcheez
07-15-2004, 02:08 PM
You mean you and rick?

EvBladeRunnervE
07-15-2004, 02:12 PM
that is why drugs used for medical purposes are prescribed by doctors, so that:

1. the patient does not overdose and become seriously ill or die
2. the patient does not become addicted

well, addiction is a fact of life when you talk about narcotics. Not the "I have to have some now" type of addiction, but if you drop narcotics or anti-depressants you go through a very nasty withdrawal syndrome .... Columbine was widely thought of had been provoked by the two kids dropping their medications, of course the pharmacutical companies shouted down people until they turned their attention elsewhere :rolleyes:

EDIT: and things such as addiction to sexual stimulation are just examples of weak willpower, such as gluttony. The thing is if you want to quit something, keep at it for a long time and dont give in(for example, I had somewhat of a porn addiction, but have dropped most of it by having better things to do, such as college coursework).

sean
07-15-2004, 02:15 PM
I doubt that's a valid reason. There's a lot of evidence that this had been in the planning for a loong time.

DavidP
07-15-2004, 02:27 PM
>There's a lot of evidence that this had been in the planning for a loong time.

What do you mean sean?

>(for example, I had somewhat of a porn addiction, but have dropped most of it by having better things to do, such as college coursework).

and you probably do still have a porn addiction. most people are addicted for the rest of their lives, even after they "break" the addiction. for example, many "ex" alcholics are afraid to even pick up a single beer because they know they are still addicted, and if they take even one sip it could take them back full-swing into that addiction. however, keeping yourself busy and away from whatever the addictive substance is (whether it be alchohol, drugs, or pornography), helps to keep your mind off of it and steer clear of the addiction. i admire your will power in being able to focus on other things in order to help fight that addiction.

ZakkWylde969
07-15-2004, 02:32 PM
all drugs do different things

some drugs are extremely bad for your health, and can cause death, especially if taken in high doses.

other drugs are not quite as bad for your health, and you might be able to lead a relatively healthy life even while taking those drugs.

but almost all drugs are addictive, and an addiction takes away your right to choose, or your free agency. when you are addicted to something you must have it, and you will go through any means to get it. it overpowers any decision-making logical sensibilities you might have. your ability to choose logically is taken away from you.

that is why drugs used for medical purposes are prescribed by doctors, so that:

1. the patient does not overdose and become seriously ill or die
2. the patient does not become addicted

There isn't a drug that I've heard of that can't kill you or hurt you in high dosages. Hell asprin can kill you if you take enough of them. Addiction is a process over time. Nothing is addictive the first time you do it. There is a lot of propaganda that does around talking about how addictive heroin and cocaine and methampetamines are after the first dosage. But in reality it takes long periods of time to develop a true addiction of ANYTHING. You never loose your right to choose or logical thinking. Addicts know what they are doing, but feel that abused thing be it porn, drugs, sugar.... is worth the negative effects it puts on their lives.


There is also a large difference in mental and physical addiction also. Many things your body becomes dependant on after being used too much. That can definatly become a huge problem. Mental addiction all depends on the mental strength of the user.

DavidP
07-15-2004, 02:42 PM
>You never loose your right to choose or logical thinking. Addicts know what they are doing, but feel that abused thing be it porn, drugs, sugar.... is worth the negative effects it puts on their lives.

>There is also a large difference in mental and physical addiction also. Many things your body becomes dependant on after being used too much. That can definatly become a huge problem. Mental addiction all depends on the mental strength of the user.

I completely agree with you in that respect. I have been mentally addicted to something in the past, although I'd rather not say what it was, it is more of a personal matter. But yes, you are right, you do not completely loose your right to choose or ability to think logically. I think I worded what I wanted to say in a bad way. Rather, although you CAN choose, your addiction overclouds your thinking so much that you dont WANT to choose, rather you just let your addiction take you. I know this firsthand. When I was addicted, I knew what I was doing was wrong, and I should not have been doing it, and I knew I should stop, but the addiction was so strong that I did not want to stop. That's why it takes so much mental strength to break the addiction.

Yes, physical addictions are different, and I have not experienced one of those (such as an addiction to caffeine or cigarrettes). Those have more then mental consequences, but very physical consequences that can be physically painful.

Clyde
07-15-2004, 03:33 PM
but can you really deny that pornography is an addiction, and that many people stare at it for hours on end only to gratify themselves when they could be doing something so much more productive


Interesting but couldn't the same be said of say, listening to music, or indeed any leisure activity?



There is a lot of propaganda that does around talking about how addictive heroin and cocaine and methampetamines are after the first dosage. But in reality it takes long periods of time to develop a true addiction of ANYTHING


I was under the impression that with heroin you could become addicted instantly. I also remember readining an article in the New Sci a while back suggesting that even small amounts (ie. taking it once or twice) of certain drugs may permanently alter the brain.

Govtcheez
07-15-2004, 03:41 PM
> but can you really deny that pornography is an addiction,

You've got Jesus, I've got boobs. Neither one of them is really that productive, but they're both cool for us.

sean
07-15-2004, 03:55 PM
While it may take a lot of time to develop a psychological addiction to form, with some substances it is much easier (and almost impossible not) to form a physical addiction, more like a dependance.

I'd like to take a closer look at Clyde's example of listening to music. The term is rather general, and is akin to saying surfing the internet. You can listen to music while you do something else, and to a lesser degree, you can surf while doing something else. I find that I get a lot done if I code between page loads (extra productive with dial up!). Using the internet is not inherently harmful. If you become addicted, be it a Programming Board or the "Boobies Network", you're going to waste time. Now a lot of people listen to music to relax, for dancing, etc... And that's when music is quite healthy. A lot of people use the internet for research, communication, etc... And that's when the internet is quite healthy. When you're listening to style of music that are, noticeably or not, psychologically harmful, is the equivalent of an all-out porno addiction.

I think Clyde makes a good point, but there are exceptions to every rule. In this case it's more like there's a rule for every exception.

axon
07-15-2004, 05:14 PM
>>Axon's not addicted to porn. He can stop whenever he wants, he just chooses not to.

you know me so well....ahh :p I'm just happy to be understood.

axon
07-15-2004, 05:15 PM
>>You've got Jesus, I've got boobs. Neither one of them is really that productive, but they're both cool for us.<<

ROFLMAO :D :D GC rep++

gcn_zelda
07-15-2004, 06:31 PM
Any activity, whether positive or negative, is addictive if continued to a certain extent. Some activities, such as the ones DavidP stated, are more addictive than others.

Sure, listening to music is addictive. I'm living proof of that. No matter where I go, I'm listening to music.

Some people(AKA Govtcheez) are addicted to making ridiculous posts that make people fall on the floor dying.

Just kidding, Govtcheez. We love you to death.

EvBladeRunnervE
07-15-2004, 10:11 PM
I was under the impression that with heroin you could become addicted instantly. I also remember readining an article in the New Sci a while back suggesting that even small amounts (ie. taking it once or twice) of certain drugs may permanently alter the brain.

you are quite right about heroin, .10 USD of it is enough to give you a physical addiction to it. On the mental addiction side, it is like nail biting, you get into the habit of doing something, then you have to actually think about NOT doing it to not do it.

nvoigt
07-16-2004, 05:06 AM
You've got Jesus, I've got boobs. Neither one of them is really that productive, but they're both cool for us.


You could argue that while boobs are kinda productive reproduction-wise, the pope indeed is a big factor in human reproduction banning protective measures. So both are kinda (re)productive :p



What's the reason?


The reason is that this a a pg13 site and the country that gave this rating tolerates violence and wages wars, but cannot stand public nudity or even *gasp* pron. Not to mention Nipplegate.

DavidP
07-16-2004, 08:07 AM
http://www.filmratings.com/

click on Ratings Guide

ober
07-16-2004, 08:20 AM
ok thanks and what's a "pg13 site"?
Are you from another planet or something? Or maybe you're just like 6 years old??? How can one person be so inept?

axon
07-16-2004, 08:54 AM
Are you from another planet or something? Or maybe you're just like 6 years old??? How can one person be so inept?

my sentiment exactly :confused: :confused: :confused:

DavidP
07-16-2004, 09:50 AM
maybe because it's the most widely used movie rating system?

DavidP
07-16-2004, 10:07 AM
where are you from?

DavidP
07-16-2004, 12:12 PM
well if you are not from America, then I might be able to understand why you have never heard of pg13, because it is mainly an American system.

However, if you are from America, then no offense boy but you are living in a cave and you need to get out more.

ober
07-16-2004, 12:56 PM
I think we can safely assume that English is not his first language, and secondly, I've been led to believe that America is not where he calls home.

sean
07-16-2004, 02:02 PM
Ober, I'm curious. What country is this with a language that requires no capitalization?

EvBladeRunnervE
07-16-2004, 05:48 PM
The reason is that this a a pg13 site and the country that gave this rating tolerates violence and wages wars, but cannot stand public nudity or even *gasp* pron. Not to mention Nipplegate.


not quite. The US in terms of regulations is pretty strict all around, for example I have not seen any R-rated movie that has people graphically and reallistically getting their heads shot off, or being disemboweled, which in porn would be equivalent to basic hardcore. Both of the previous would given a rating of NC-17 by the US MPAA.

bludstayne
07-17-2004, 06:41 PM
I can handle most violence and gore, but disembowelment just makes my stomach turn more than anything.

You do got to amit that the US is a little easier on violence than nudity though. As far as I know, frontal nudity other than breasts is not allowed in R movies, at least I've never seen it in R movies before. I'd say full frontal nudity would be the equivilent to dismemberment, which is allowed in R movies.

I just wish people would not get so worked up over little things like nudity. Everyone has a 99.9% chance of seeing the opposite sex in the nude during their life anyway. It's not like you'll be scarred by seeing it, and it's not depriving the security of your life or country in any way. It's just the human body. If parents would take more time to tell their kids what's right and wrong, we probably wouldn't have to worry about it.

DavidP
07-17-2004, 08:15 PM
>I just wish people would not get so worked up over little things like nudity.

I would sooooo write a 3 page rebuke about that one statement but I really don't want to start a flamewar, so I wont.

Consider yourself lucky. ;)

nvoigt
07-19-2004, 01:07 AM
Are you from another planet or something? Or maybe you're just like 6 years old??? How can one person be so inept?


This seems to be a pretty US-centric view. Did it occur to you that this board is made up of people from different cultures, societies and countries ? While pg13 may be well known in the US, guess what, no one knows or even cares what pg13 means around here (Germany). Obviously many countries have their own rating systems and don't care for the almighty US system. I hope we don't get invaded because we use our own system *duck*


Now, for nudity vs violence, Germany for example has tv ads around noon that would make your rating group get a collective heart attack. You can see partial or full but slightly veiled nudity in spots for shower gel, beach resorts and even margarine ( which I don't consider to be used naked, but hey, I male, I see breast, I go buy margarine... *grunt* :rolleyes: ).
On the other hand, movies that are shown before 22:00 are almost always censored. Pieces are missing that are too gory. You won't see Private Ryan at prime time uncut and they even managed to find something to cut in Bad Boys. I don't consider Bad Boys that violent, but to each country it's own stupid censorship system ;)

whackaxe
07-19-2004, 05:55 AM
the french censors are great, they were really lax untill last year (but the maximum you can get is under 16 for films, and i'm 17 so i don't care anymore :D).

france was quite bewildered, and quite amused about the "nipplegate" scnadal with our friends Janet and Justin, some people should have a massive pole removing from ass session methinks :) you get that type of ads for loads of things in france. as nvoigt said, bewbs on adverts sells. hail b00bs.

CodeNinja
07-19-2004, 08:39 AM
Okay, I noticed I created quite a discussion once I had created this thread, but its cause is coming to an end. Last Friday night after being high that whole week (every day Monday - Friday) on Corrociden Cough & Cold (spelled as best as I could) or CCC's (pronounced tripple C's) I had an overdose and my mom picked me up. She noticed I was completely stoned and rushed me to the hospital. They pumped me with fluids because the drugs in it cause me to be dehydrated. My heart rate was double normal (normal is 60-80), specifically my heart rate was jumping around 130-140. I could have died that night if my mom didn't take me to the hospital. I got a second chance at life. I am greatful for it. I have sworn to myself, on my second chance at life, and on my mom who loves me more than life and cried the whole night i was in the ER room (she had to go through 9 years of a drug addict as a husband, until devorce, and I feel like I am sillyI am sillyI am sillyI am silly trying to put her through that again), that I will never touch a drug for the rest of my life. I hope I am strong enough because I can tell I have a mental addiction. I had a mental addiction to the high. I get bored and I start wanting to get high. The best remedy is to keep occupied (like you guys were saying). I am working on my porn addiction, which is harder because it has been going on longer, specifically YEARS. I was introduced to porn at age 13 and I am now 17. So it will be tough. Wish me luck, and as a word of advice to anyone who starts out with an 'innocent drug', you think it is, but you want that thing more and more, and then that thing isn't enough, and so you go harder, but if you stop now, while it's not so hard to, you won't end up like me, and almost die, and possibly die and not get lucky like me. <3 you all, and I am happy to be able to be posting to you today!

sean
07-19-2004, 09:10 AM
Everyone has a 99.9% chance of seeing the opposite sex in the nude during their life anyway.
Remember that nerds frequent this board. Were you referring to off-screen?

edit: Good on ya CodeNinja

axon
07-19-2004, 10:07 AM
well, if your story isn't complete BS (I'm sKeptical, so kill me) then I hope that you did learn your lesson. Everytime you get ........ed off at your mom think about that moment in your life; and if you ever put her through something similar again then you are a worthless human being.

Felix
07-19-2004, 11:40 AM
Isn't it interesting how the human body jumps from one adiction to another.

When I quit wanking I started coding/doing drugs to get my mind off of it.

Also, when I made myself quit playing video games (they waste time) I started coding more/doing more drugs.

It's wierd, I know that a lot of drug addicts get addicted to sugar in rehab because they jump from one addiction to another. I don't think it's the addiction that is the key to it, but the lack of self control. I think everyone has their own amount, and we pick up a certain number of addictions depending on that amount.
It's very normal that people do this.

EvBladeRunnervE
07-19-2004, 09:56 PM
You do got to amit that the US is a little easier on violence than nudity though. As far as I know, frontal nudity other than breasts is not allowed in R movies, at least I've never seen it in R movies before. I'd say full frontal nudity would be the equivilent to dismemberment, which is allowed in R movies.


nvoigt said:On the other hand, movies that are shown before 22:00 are almost always censored. Pieces are missing that are too gory. You won't see Private Ryan at prime time uncut and they even managed to find something to cut in Bad Boys. I don't consider Bad Boys that violent, but to each country it's own stupid censorship system

you wont see full violence on network TV(and most of cable for that matter) in the US period. For example, most films during the daytime and primetime might show a gun being fired and a person being struck; however, if the bullet caused something bad(like sever blood/brain loss) the bad will be edited out. So a comparison of what is on french/european TV versus American TV would show that Euros have alot more of "the bad stuff" : violence, nudity, and language than Americans do.

Felix
07-20-2004, 02:57 AM
you wont see full violence on network TV(and most of cable for that matter) in the US period. For example, most films during the daytime and primetime might show a gun being fired and a person being struck; however, if the bullet caused something bad(like sever blood/brain loss) the bad will be edited out. So a comparison of what is on french/european TV versus American TV would show that Euros have alot more of "the bad stuff" : violence, nudity, and language than Americans do.
But most of those 'bad' films come from the US.

nvoigt
07-20-2004, 03:10 AM
Remember that nerds frequent this board.




Everyone has a 99.9% chance of seeing the opposite sex in the nude during their life anyway.


For free ? Dude, sweet ! Can you send me a link ?

We are nerd of borg. We'll pwn u !

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :p :D

napkin111
07-20-2004, 06:39 PM
But most of those 'bad' films come from the US.

Watch "Irreversible", it is not a US movie. Its also not a movie I would reccommend as it has the most graphic rape scene in any movie I've seen. Very unenjoyable. Shocking even.

DavidP: When you are preaching, its best to avoid a couple of things, doing so will help you not appear to be a hypocritical naive delusionist. Try not to condemn things you have no experience in - by this of course I mean pornography, drugs, and other peoples' lives and experiences. You have not lived through what they have lived through, as such, anything you say considering their actions or their motives is utterly asinine.

Also, try to be more tolerant and less self-rightous. Please.

To the origional poster: I know what you mean. I call it mania - obsessing from one thing to another sometimes sporadically. I am completely like that, although I have learned that a few things can stay despite the current focus item (masturbation/pornography, gaming, when appropriate drugs, and unfortunately work).

sean
07-20-2004, 06:55 PM
napkin - 1 bad movie that isn't from America really proves nothing.

I would like to say however - that yes. Most of those movies are American. But America's based on freedom. You want the bad stuff? It's here. People may not agree with it but as long as you keep it to yourself, then legally, you can do that. It's not shoved in your face on billboards like it is in Europe and most associated countries. And I don't care if the billboards were assembled in the U.S.

ZakkWylde969
07-20-2004, 07:51 PM
you are quite right about heroin, .10 USD of it is enough to give you a physical addiction to it. On the mental addiction side, it is like nail biting, you get into the habit of doing something, then you have to actually think about NOT doing it to not do it.


No that is not true. Heroin is just a strong opiant. It is no more addictive than abused prescribtion painkillers. I'm not saying it isn't addictive, but there is a lot of misinformation on addiction with drugs. There is no abused drug (cocaine, heroin) that causes addiction with one use. One use doesn't mean you will do a second. Addiction takes time. It starts off as a once a week, then it moves to twice a week. It's not you do it once, and then your on the streets buying crack every night. It just doesn't work like that.

Oh and as far as a porn addiction, I personally see no harm in that. Looking at naked women all day sounds rather fun to me.

CodeNinja
07-22-2004, 09:16 AM
and if you ever put her through something similar again then you are a worthless human being

harsh, but true :(

P.S. I didn't make anything up. I'm not a lame attention (/\)l-l0r3. :p

itld
07-23-2004, 11:32 PM
Howdy,
All that idealistic crap went out the window when I was 17 yeas old - 27 years ago. I went into the US Army and learned that governments lie, and people in general don't seem to care much about each other.

M.R.

CodeNinja
07-26-2004, 08:34 AM
hey CodeNinja how many bugs did you give for your dose every day?

huh?