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DavidP
07-11-2004, 08:14 PM
A friend of mine showed me this:

http://members.cox.net/macallan_the/GW/GWBush1_Start.htm

So far all I have heard from members of this board is pretty much negative stuff about Bush, so I thought someone should at least give him a small amount of good rep.

Anyways, feel free to comment.

Govtcheez
07-11-2004, 08:16 PM
When Bush ever gives me any reason at all not to say bad things about him, maybe I won't.

axon
07-11-2004, 08:40 PM
"taking care of business" - hehe

anyways, I've said good things about Bush in the past.

edit: and I believe thantos, bubba, and itld aka howdy, did as well

sean
07-11-2004, 09:10 PM
As did I.

linuxdude
07-11-2004, 09:11 PM
I like that video. The thing is he is president and everyone will critique and get on his case about everything until he isn't then afterwards these people will miss him. That is how it always is.

Govtcheez
07-11-2004, 09:13 PM
I like that video. The thing is he is president and everyone will critique and get on his case about everything until he isn't then afterwards these people will miss him. That is how it always is.
Yeah, the President's just like that ugly kid in class that eventually kills himself and then we all go "man, I really wish I would have just accepted him for who he was".

sean
07-11-2004, 09:20 PM
Only there's another kid who's a total sell out because he wants to be the ugliest.

Govtcheez
07-11-2004, 09:22 PM
Only there's another kid who's a total sell out because he wants to be the ugliest.
Right, and the kid that's ugliest now has also started a big fight with this other school that no one at our school really cares about but they hate us because of our mascot (the Patriots) and if you don't go along with him in his fight he calls you a traitor and then gets you thrown in detention.

Man, this analogy can do anything :)

sean
07-11-2004, 09:28 PM
But that other school didn't realize that their principal was killing all the students that he put in detention. And the kids at our school are just as bad as him because they hassle the ugly kid for having a speech impediment and thought that just because the "WMDs", their rival football team, had been shipped to a different district and not found, that the ugly kid had been wrong. But the principal's son raped students at their weddings and shot their husbands. And CNN, their school newspaper was covering for FHS and UN High School who were recieving kick backs for helping that principal.

axon
07-11-2004, 09:29 PM
ROFLMAON @ GC and sean...bwahahahahahaha :D :D :D

I need as much laughter as I can get these days :(

sean
07-11-2004, 09:30 PM
What's that supposed to mean, axon? You want some of this?

Govtcheez
07-11-2004, 09:32 PM
> But that other school didn't realize that their principal was killing all the students that he put in detention.

Well hell, it's a good thing we didn't do anything to "North Korea High" and "Sudan Central", then.

> thought that just because the "WMDs", their rival football team, had been shipped to a different district and not found, that the ugly kid had been wrong.

They say he's wrong because the search party sent to look for the football team (long before we started a gang fight) told him that they were gone and that after a year of searching their school, we still can't find them.

> But the principal's son raped students at their weddings and shot their husbands.

How does that affect our school?

> And CNN, their school newspaper was covering for FHS and UN High School who were recieving kick backs for helping that principal.

Wow, you must get a radically different version of the PTA meeting minutes than I do.

sean
07-11-2004, 09:37 PM
If people are going to hassle our school for being the most powerful school in the district, they need to realize how often it's us who's helping after disasters, and helping other achieve freedom. There are tonnes of evil dictators, way worse than the ones you mention, but powerful as we are are resources are strained enough going after one. I would love it if the US would go and nuke Mugabe and Gadaffe and whoever the Sudan dude is, but the US has no interests there. There all ******s, so I think the US.... uh.... our school... is perfectly within it's rights to pick the one with the biggest bearing on US interests. The school has two newspapers by the way... the Fox times, and if you don't read them both you're not getting both sides of the story.

DavidP
07-11-2004, 09:40 PM
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sean
07-11-2004, 09:41 PM
Are you coming on to me?

sean
07-11-2004, 09:42 PM
You know he's right... I'm sorry Govt. Give us a hug. You have beautifyl eyes.

Govtcheez
07-11-2004, 09:44 PM
> I think the US.... uh.... our school...
This is the part where we drop the analogy, because damn, it's getting lame. :)

> The school has two newspapers by the way... the Fox times, and if you don't read them both you're not getting both sides of the story.

I get my news from as many sources as I can. Fox is actually pretty decent for immediate breaking stuff where O'Reilly, Hannity, Hume and whoever else haven't gotten a chance to ruin it with editorializing.

> the US has no interests there

We really don't have any interests in Iraq, either. As conservatives are so fond of pointing out, we hardly get any oil from them, compared to other places around the world.

sean
07-11-2004, 09:49 PM
Uh.... give us a hug?

Then please explain why gas prices are skyrocketing? I'm not arguing - I genuinely want to know what the explanation is then.

(I'm going to bed - I haven't been stumped!)

Govtcheez
07-11-2004, 09:56 PM
> Then please explain why gas prices are skyrocketing?

Why are they skyrocketing when we've invaded a country we didn't really get a whole lot from in the first place? I don't know, maybe because we took destabilization in the ME one step further? We ........ed off a lot of other countries, which seems to be a theme of Bush's presidency.

Also, they always get higher in the summer (:()

EvBladeRunnervE
07-11-2004, 10:30 PM
Why are they skyrocketing when we've invaded a country we didn't really get a whole lot from in the first place? I don't know, maybe because we took destabilization in the ME one step further? We ........ed off a lot of other countries, which seems to be a theme of Bush's presidency.

Also, they always get higher in the summer ()

*looks at saudis*

blame OPEC, they keep lowering production.

novacain
07-12-2004, 12:42 AM
>>We really don't have any interests in Iraq, either. As conservatives are so fond of pointing out, we hardly get any oil from them, compared to other places around the world.<<

The conservatives don't point out that the US has not built or upgraded its oil -> petrol refineries for decades. They can not be upgraded quickly (or cheaply).

The refineries still require the low suphur oil known as 'sweet crude'. The US now has to pay the more expensive prices to get this better quality, rarer oil or import the petrol (and pay someone else to refine it).

With Iraqs increased production, oil prices will fall again, allowing cheaper imports of petrol.

>>Then please explain why gas prices are skyrocketing?

Basic economics

Less supply == higher prices
Greater demand == higher prices

This is due to;

the Saudis becoming less friendly / trusted. The Saudis used to stop OPEC's plans to raise prices by increasing production.

China's increased demand.

Iraq's production under the UN's 'oil for food programe' offline. (ie Australia traded wheat for oil)

vNvNation
07-12-2004, 03:01 PM
I actually highly appreciate this thread. I appreciate it because, despite the fact that Bush is the only conservative president I've ever strongly disagreed with on *anything*, I do believe that he is in Iraq because he thinks he is doing the right thing. I don't think Bush is an unintelligent person, as Moore and others try to point out, and conservative government can definitely be a good thing in the interests of all people (we need our government to be as small as possible).

I also think that we have every right to roll over whatever nation stands in our way, but only if we have justified cause, and the support from the rest of the world (which, we would have had in a heartbeat had we located weapons of mass destruciton in Iraq).

I also happen to think that John Kerry will be more effective at protecting the United States.

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And another thing. I work in a somewhat dangerous indutry (I am a part owner and technician/engineer for one of the fastest ferries in the world), and subsequently I've known people to get seriously injured, i.e one man lost his left foot in a clamp when docking into port, only to be minimally covered by health insurance. I think that the medicare and medicaid systems need revamping, because we cannot have both private healthcare, as is guaranteed in a free society and condoned by republicans, but also diminish the extent of healthcare.

axon
07-12-2004, 04:15 PM
vNvNation: you're just asking for trouble.... ROFL...I do agrre somewhat with some parts...but just wait til Clyde gets here...hehe. ;)

vNvNation
07-12-2004, 05:44 PM
Keep in mind that I am only expressing my opinions

opinions shared with half of America.

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I would love to see him argue against that :)

vasanth
07-12-2004, 05:51 PM
> I think the US.... uh.... our school...
This is the part where we drop the analogy, because damn, it's getting lame. :)

> The school has two newspapers by the way... the Fox times, and if you don't read them both you're not getting both sides of the story.

I get my news from as many sources as I can. Fox is actually pretty decent for immediate breaking stuff where O'Reilly, Hannity, Hume and whoever else haven't gotten a chance to ruin it with editorializing.

> the US has no interests there

We really don't have any interests in Iraq, either. As conservatives are so fond of pointing out, we hardly get any oil from them, compared to other places around the world.
well you did not want to blame the Saudis for obvious reasons so divert attention by blaming Iraq...

Govtcheez
07-12-2004, 05:53 PM
> we need our government to be as small as possible

That's a matter of opinion. Besides, our government right now isn't conservative, at least not fiscally. Socially, absolutely. Fiscally, no.

> I think that the medicare and medicaid systems need revamping, because we cannot have both private healthcare, as is guaranteed in a free society and condoned by republicans, but also diminish the extent of healthcare.

That sentence is confusing.

> opinions shared with half of America.

I didn't think your opinions were that out there at all. And any opinion is shared with "half of America" - we're so sharply divided right now that that's all there is :)

> well you did not want to blame the Saudis for obvious reasons so divert attention by blaming Iraq...

Screw this "you" crap. I didn't do anything at all. 99.99999% percent of the US population didn't do anything at all.

Besides, what the hell does your post have to do with any of mine?

vNvNation
07-12-2004, 06:11 PM
That sentence is confusing.


I meant to say that Republicans tend to support private enterprise, but at the same time Bush is essentially against health insurance. We have it, but there isn't enough, *in my opinion*. In that light, it puts the average joe in a pickle: private health care costs can go virtually untamed, but Bush doesn't want to keep health insurance neck in neck with what private healthcare wants to charge. It's pretty damn close, but not quite there in my opinion.

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and, keep in mind, health care typically just costs a lot anyway, without the 'private business' aspect of it getting in the way. The man I mentioned was tagged with about $10 million in bills after his accident...the family had to declare bankruptcy, but he made it in the end.

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That's a matter of opinion. Besides, our government right now isn't conservative, at least not fiscally. Socially, absolutely. Fiscally, no.


No argument here. Keep in mind I am voting for Kerry this time :)

Govtcheez
07-12-2004, 06:17 PM
That's pretty much what I thought you meant, but it was a little unclear to me.

>The man I mentioned was tagged with about $10 million in bills after his accident...

Holy crap.

So, would you think some sort of socialized health care program would be good, even though it'd leave to bigger government?

vNvNation
07-12-2004, 06:20 PM
So, would you think some sort of socialized health care program would be good, even though it'd leave to bigger government?

Well, no, not exactly. I honestly think that there should be more interaction between healthcare and government, *but limited*, so that it falls far short of being socialist. Canada has free healthcare (which is where the ferry goes to by the way), but things such as gas cost twice as much over there. There is no perfect answer.

eh

www.catferry.com

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Japan, as far as I know, has a 'book' that basically entitles the maximum cost and apprenticeship that is allowed to be charged by private healthcare. Doctors can still make money, as they should (stressful job!), but the average Joe can no longer be forced to pay 250$ dollars for a special air cast that entails no more material than a holloween costume. This also makes the cost of health insurance go down, and the system apparently works.

sean
07-12-2004, 10:19 PM
Will somebody please think of the children!!??

I must say I think this thread has been unprecedently productive.

Someone mentioned Moore... What's with the cap? That's about all I have to say... I think I've already made my points. Besides Govt., I hate when we fight.... Anyway - has anyone seen the cover of the current Reader's Digest? Are those pictures fake or what? Kerry looks somewhat life-like, but the Bush picture looks really faked...

SMurf
07-13-2004, 07:50 AM
So, would you think some sort of socialized health care program would be good, even though it'd leave to bigger government?
Wooo! (http://www.nhs.uk)
Read the title of the page and weep. :p

VirtualAce
07-13-2004, 08:27 AM
....destabilization in the ME .....
Yep ME sucks. It's too unstable.


j/k


Sorry, couldn't resist.


I liked the thread when the high school analogy was going on...I ceased to like it when it veered from that. The analogy made each one of you think a bit more clearer about what you wanted to say....but couldn't in exact words. Analogies are much more powerful in this instance.

Govtcheez
07-13-2004, 08:34 AM
Analogies like that only work to a point. Eventually they're really just cutesy ways to say things.