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jinx
07-07-2004, 10:12 AM
This has been bothering me for a while. I have seemed to fall into a lapse of insomnia and I am finding it quite euphoric. I have slept seven hours in the past 120 hours...and put roughly 800 miles on my car at night driving around. I don't think I have any mental malfunctions but this is still bugging me. Why do we need to sleep? I know that horomones are generated during sleep and the body uses this unconscious state to repair and rebuild tissue structures. Physiologically why must we sleep? And how did homoerectus evlove to require sleep for 8 hours a day? I know that we would be much more productive in society if we didn't have to sleep. Just taking a break here from not sleeping to post. Sorry if there are errors or it seems choppy...................

DavidP
07-07-2004, 10:26 AM
>I have slept seven hours in the past 120 hours

What are the increments on that? You do know that after 72 hours of absolutely no sleep at all you can begin to hallucinate?

>I don't think I have any mental malfunctions but this is still bugging me.

better go get that checked.

> know that we would be much more productive in society if we didn't have to sleep.

No we wouldnt. Workplace morale would hit an all time low and people would begin committing suicide.

Just go to sleep. It's fun. You get to have cool dreams and let your body do all the repairs it needs while you are in la-la land.

Govtcheez
07-07-2004, 10:31 AM
> and put roughly 800 miles on my car at night driving around.

Stop that you freaking moron.

hk_mp5kpdw
07-07-2004, 10:31 AM
Go to howstuffworks.com (http://www.howstuffworks.com). In particular, to find out about why we need to sleep go here (http://science.howstuffworks.com/sleep6.htm).

DavidP
07-07-2004, 10:34 AM
great link, hk.

lol govtcheez

axon
07-07-2004, 10:36 AM
maybe try doing some physical activity everyday; running or weight lifting. I also don't sleep very long (4-6hrs/night), but need sleep everynight.

LuckY
07-07-2004, 10:41 AM
There are some interesting things about sleep I heard once upon a time. I read in some scientific journal or something of that sort how some scientists did a sleep deprivation study on lab rats. They had them on a revolving floor type thing that would start to spin if the ratfell asleep. Even though the guy ate normally he was losing weight like a son of a gun. After a week or so, the little fellow just died. From what? Lack of sleep.

Another thing is how researchers found that the less sleep you get per night, the longer you live. That's not to say that if you don't sleep at all you'll live forever, but they compared people who slept for 8 hours a night to people who slept less than 6 (or so) and found those lazy 8 hour guys died younger.

Interesting stuff, ey? Now, for your question. Have you seen Fight Club, btw? We humans (and most all living creatures, for that matter) require sleep:


Who Sleeps?
Reptiles, birds and mammals all sleep. That is, they become unconscious to their surroundings for periods of time. Some fish and amphibians reduce their awareness but do not ever become unconscious like the higher vertebrates do. Insects do not appear to sleep, although they may become inactive in daylight or darkness.
By studying brainwaves, it is known that reptiles do not dream. Birds dream a little. Mammals all dream during sleep.

Different animals sleep in different ways. Some animals, like humans, prefer to sleep in one long session. Other animals (dogs, for example) like to sleep in many short bursts. Some sleep at night, while others sleep during the day.

When You Miss Some Zzzzs...
One way to understand why we sleep is to look at what happens when we don't get enough:
As you know if you have ever pulled an all-nighter, missing one night of sleep is not fatal. A person will generally be irritable during the next day and will either slow down (become tired easily) or will be totally wired because of adrenalin.

If a person misses two nights of sleep, it gets worse. Concentration is difficult, and attention span falls by the wayside. Mistakes increase.

After three days, a person will start to hallucinate and clear thinking is impossible. With continued wakefulness a person can lose grasp of reality. Rats forced to stay awake continuously will eventually die, proving that sleep is essential. A person who gets just a few hours of sleep per night can experience many of the same problems over time. Two other things are known to happen during sleep. Growth hormone in children is secreted during sleep, and chemicals important to the immune system are secreted during sleep. You can become more prone to disease if you don't get enough sleep, and a child's growth can be stunted by sleep deprivation.

But the question remains -- why do we need to sleep? Let's take a look at some of the possible reasons.

Why Sleep?
No one really knows why we sleep. But, there are all kinds of theories, including these:
Sleep gives the body a chance to repair muscles and other tissues, replace aging or dead cells, etc.

Sleep gives the brain a chance to organize and archive memories. Dreams are thought by some to be part of this process.

Sleep lowers our energy consumption, so we need three meals a day rather than four or five. Since we can't do anything in the dark anyway, we might as well "turn off" and save the energy.

According to ScienceNewsOnline: Napless cats awaken interest in adenosine, sleep may be a way of recharging the brain, using adenosine as a signal that the brain needs to rest: "Since adenosine secretion reflects brain cell activity, rising concentrations of this chemical may be how the organ gauges that it has been burning up its energy reserves and needs to shut down for a while." Adenosine levels in the brain rise during wakefulness and decline during sleep. What we all know is that, with a good night's sleep, everything looks and feels better in the morning. Both the brain and the body are refreshed and ready for a new day.

Ask your doctor for some Red-and-blue Tuinal, or perhaps lipstick-red Seconals. That outta help. If not, share with us your experiences.

sean
07-07-2004, 12:29 PM
I'm gonna have to go with Govt on this. Even if you don't feel tired, in this state it would be extremely dangerous for you to drive.

jinx
07-07-2004, 12:33 PM
I have noticed things slipping on and off gradually. Colors waver in hues and I feel like I'm coming down from some sort of high. I haven't been on any chems except for healthy (maybe not) does of caffeine. In fact, the shirt I'm wearing at this moment says "Caffienate". Anyhow...I have slept usually one-one1/2 hours intermitantly about every 36 hours. I feel not really depressed but a lucent elation of concentration that comes in bouts. I can read hundreds of pages of a book in one sitting and recall most of it. I notice ordinary things deeper than before. For example, I sat outside a cafe on campus this morning smoking a cigarette and noticed how many people were where, where each came from, in what sequence they came, who they were with, where each left my sight, what they were wearing, what they were carrying, hair color, facial features, etc. Maybe my senses are detecting my deprivation of sleep and are trying to beef up in some sort of primal way. Does anyone have any prior knowledge of some sleep deprivation/torture experiments? I don't plan to keep this up any longer than it seems to last but it'll be a full week on friday or saturday. My immediate short-term memory seems fine, ma ybe even a touch enhanced. Anyhow I've gotta get back to work in my little cube (ever seen office space?) except I work with satellites instead of TPS report....wheres my swingline stapler.....?

jinx
07-07-2004, 12:34 PM
oh yeah and I forgot to mention that I have this wierd little twitch thing going on with my leg, it just kinda bounces up and down...

sean
07-07-2004, 12:43 PM
Could you please just go to a doctor already?

DavidP
07-07-2004, 12:49 PM
woah really govt was commenting on it being too dangerous for him to drive?

haha

i thought he was just telling him to stop wasting gas....i mean...800 miles man...come on....what a waste of gas....and here we have just been having all these discussions about gas mileage, etc.

LuckY
07-07-2004, 12:57 PM
As long as he doesn't kill anyone. I mean if he eats it through the trunk of a tree that's one thing, but to run over a sidewalk full of 5-year-olds is a whole other story. I mean, seriously, where do you think you can bury a whole sidewalk full of kindergartners without getting caught? Besides, it would take all day to dig a hole that deep.

sean
07-07-2004, 01:14 PM
By then it's too late.

[quote]what a waste of gas/[quote]

He's right, jinx. If you don't get some sleep, the terrorists win.

gcn_zelda
07-07-2004, 01:16 PM
You get to have cool dreams...

Amen.

ober
07-07-2004, 01:32 PM
Studies have shown that tired drivers are more dangerous than drunk drivers. Get some sleep.

jinx
07-07-2004, 02:33 PM
I just ate aprox. 210mg of caffiene via caffienated candy (Turbo Truffles) about forty minutes ago and am feeling fine, still twitching slightly. Thought I'd just give it a try. Is there a world record for a contiguos span of non-sleeping? For you guys worrying about my gas mileage and driving, give it a rest (no pun intended). I'm not endagering anyone while I'm driving around at 3:30 a.m. on rural backroads, promise, Though I have driven to each state in my tri-state area since the fourth. The more that I think about this whole thing of not sleeping, I like it. I seem to remember reading an article a couple of month ago on astnn.com that had some substance in it about military or gov't testing with some chems that did something to the seratonin levels in the body and showed that sleep wasn't necessary in this altered state.

DavidP
07-07-2004, 02:36 PM
>I'm not endagering anyone while I'm driving around at 3:30 a.m. on rural backroads, promise

yeah you are right...you are not endangering anybody...except maybe yourself...they probably wont be able to find your body if you crash out there...maybe it would be better to drive in the city so you just stop procrastinating the inevitable

Zach L.
07-07-2004, 02:44 PM
Get Some Sleep!

bludstayne
07-07-2004, 05:34 PM
I find this whole thing humurous.

Thantos
07-07-2004, 05:49 PM
Couldn't this fall under rule 15? I know why I require sleep, because if I don't get enough I'm libel to take some people's head off for forgetting a semicolon :)

Hammer
07-07-2004, 06:04 PM
>>not endagering anyone while I'm driving around at 3:30 a.m
And whilst the emergency services are pulling you from your car after you've totalled it, people who really need their assistance have to wait. Plus, I could be on my way home from work, I don't want to go head to head with your car in a country lane.
If you want to experiment with lack of sleep, fine, but do the rest of the world a favour, and stay off the freeking road.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/930615.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/300940.stm
http://www.everybody.co.nz/research/neuro_safety.htm
http://temagami.carleton.ca/jmc/cnews/23032001/feature.htm
http://www.angelfire.com/wv/photographs/accidents.html
(need I go on...)

DavidP
07-07-2004, 06:06 PM
I see that Thantos apparently calls himself a guru now.

vNvNation
07-07-2004, 06:21 PM
I don't think I have any mental malfunctions but this is still bugging me

7 hours of sleep in the past 120 hours definitely qualifies as a mental malfunction. A normal person's body forces itself to shut down after a while, even if you are laden with caffeine. I also suspect you have slept more than 7 hours in the past 120, because what tends to happen is you slip into insanity. I read of a DJ that tried staying up for three days straight as a part of a radio show thing or something like that, and he went insane (never to recover, mind you).

chrismiceli
07-07-2004, 06:22 PM
where is Thantos's avatar?

Thantos
07-07-2004, 06:25 PM
@chrismiceli: Kermi played a dirty trick and changed it on me, so I removed it.
@DavidP: Jealous?

sean
07-07-2004, 09:12 PM
what tends to happen is you slip into insanity

Read his last post, you're too late!

VirtualAce
07-07-2004, 11:54 PM
Sleep? We're supposed to sleep???

Wow, so that's what I've been doing wrong.

:D

Xterria
07-08-2004, 12:30 AM
Sleep? We're supposed to sleep???

Wow, so that's what I've been doing wrong.

:D
true dat yo

its 3am in buffalo man im gunna stay up till 6 then crash :cool:

Strzelec
07-08-2004, 06:10 AM
Well, I dont know why we need sleep. Besides the fact lots of chemical reactions and stuff happen.

However, I admit I get about 3 to 4 hours of sleep a day at most. And yet I feel pretty good.

ober
07-08-2004, 06:31 AM
I just ate aprox. 210mg of caffiene via caffienated candy (Turbo Truffles) about forty minutes ago and am feeling fine, still twitching slightly. Thought I'd just give it a try. Is there a world record for a contiguos span of non-sleeping? For you guys worrying about my gas mileage and driving, give it a rest (no pun intended). I'm not endagering anyone while I'm driving around at 3:30 a.m. on rural backroads, promise, Though I have driven to each state in my tri-state area since the fourth. The more that I think about this whole thing of not sleeping, I like it. I seem to remember reading an article a couple of month ago on astnn.com that had some substance in it about military or gov't testing with some chems that did something to the seratonin levels in the body and showed that sleep wasn't necessary in this altered state.
I should have shared this story sooner, but I forgot about it. Where I used to work, we had a software contractor that came in to work with us and I went out to lunch with him one day. Over the hour that we were gone, he told me about his problems with sleep deprivation after I saw him take a pill.

When he was younger (late teens/early 20s), he used to get no more than 1-2 hours of sleep per nite, and he said that he thought sleeping was a waste of time and he could learn so much more as a programmer if he stayed up practicing and reading all nite instead of sleeping. This seemed to work for him for a while, and he said that he got into a routine and he felt perfectly normal.

He also said that over a period of time, his system started to degrade and he actually ended up going to the doctor because his heart couldn't take it. He started having health problems and his doctor told him that it was because of his lack of sleep.

Now he gets 4-6 hours of sleep per nite and he's on medication to get him back on track. By the way, he's in his late 30s/early 40s now and he still feels the effects.

Don't do it.

the dead tree
07-08-2004, 07:37 AM
"I read of a DJ that tried staying up for three days straight as a part of a radio show thing or something like that, and he went insane (never to recover, mind you)."

This is true, I heard about it on a psychology class I had.
The DJ actually wanted to stay 8 days awake playing music, but on the third or fourth, he started seeing spiders and things crawling up... :eek:
This happens because when you donīt go through REM sleep, you start seeing the things you should see during the time you sleep.
On an experiment, people slept 8 or so hours a day, but when the machine registered they entered REM, they would be awaken. They all soon started hallucinating.
Also, if you donīt get enough sleep, your personality will change somehow and you wonīt recover it, like happenned to this DJ.
Go see a doctor ;)

DavidP
07-08-2004, 08:17 AM
jinx hasnt replied for a long time...maybe he fell asleep...

hk_mp5kpdw
07-08-2004, 08:25 AM
jinx hasnt replied for a long time...maybe he fell asleep...

Either that or he's unavailable because he's out on the road driving... watch out everbody!

jinx
07-08-2004, 10:07 AM
OK, I woke up this morning with five hours of sleep under my belt. I feel like I have a hangover. I think that my body is trying to return to that "normal" cycle. However, I have to go to a concert tonight with a couple of friends, tomarrow I have to close a cafe at one a.m. (I have three jobs), and Saturday is going to be a *late night b/c Lizzy is going back to New Mexico...its going to be a long, long night... ;)

Sunday morning looks promising, however

Also, I wonder if its possible to be sleeping while conscious. I mean that your brain is falling into early stages of REM but you're still awake, like sleep walking. Last night I was out with some people (mainly Lizzy, long story, ask if you want), but I tore up my box about three this morning and replaced two fans and added another 512DDR. Its still rather disasembled so I'm posting from my second place of employment. My boss thought something was up and tried to schedule a urine test because she thought I was on something but then I showed her these posts....everything is peachy now. And thats it for a while with these scattered, random thoughts....time to work...........BTW if you live anywhere near NW Arkansas, I won't be driving until 6pm today. You're in the clear for another five seven hours or so.....

This explains a lot
Computer Screens and Sleep (http://www.scienceblog.com/community/article1754.html&mode=thread&order=0&thold=0)

ober
07-08-2004, 10:58 AM
Ya know, there's this little button we have that you can use to EDIT your posts instead of posting a new reply. SPAMMER.

sean
07-08-2004, 11:26 AM
I just did a urine test on this thread, and I detected 13 milliRoDs of Spam in the last 7 posts alone.

vasanth
07-08-2004, 03:40 PM
looks like i am the sleepoholic here... I sleep like hell.. No idea why... I have even slept 18 hours straight.. When i have no other work ( Uni hollidays) I tend to love to sleep.... Looks like some ppl here need to borrow some sleep from me..

axon
07-08-2004, 04:32 PM
>>milliRoDs

ROFLMAO :D :D :D

where is RoD anyways? working on his site?

sean
07-08-2004, 05:31 PM
Yes I bleieve it was Ken that came up with that.

sean
07-11-2004, 04:50 PM
Aww... come on Ken... I gave you full credit and you still want to bump reputation points! I'm also picking up 34 Fletchpacs of annoyance, and your MegaSiggy readings are off the charts!

Thantos
07-11-2004, 06:18 PM
Sigh sean, its not funny when you try to copy other people's jokes

chix/w/guns
07-12-2004, 09:02 AM
jinx, does the ability to stay up like that come naturally? other than caffiene, do you use any other techniques to stay awake? I always stay up all night when friends stay over, but for some reason or another I can't keep myself awake past the next 48 hours. If you could help me... I would enjoy it!

jinx
07-14-2004, 08:21 AM
Yeah...the non-sleep can be tuned in many ways to give you good performance while being deprived. You need to find something you are driven for. Sex, money, xBox, etc., and go for it. I think that while <drool>Lizzy</drool> was in town she was what drove me to stay awake. I was whipped before I knew it and trying to find somewhere open to make a Baeverian Iced Mocha at 3:30 in the morning with that* one certain goal* in mind. Finally, we hooked up and then I fell flat asleep for a day. Do not pity me for I am man.

Back to the subject of training yourself to stay awake, I would not really consider it unless you think you're going to hell week @ coranado beach (never mind, if you know...you were there, or you might be on you're way...sucks 2b u). Anyhow I'm sure there are some self help books for this or something.

I found this website last week and if you hurry you can see it featured on slashdot (http://slashdot.org) today. When you're tired, send a complaint to the ppl at tired.com (http://tired.com).

[random thought: If you've seen ATHF, don't you think it would be funny to have carl mistakenly eat a pound of asbestos?]