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Garfield
11-16-2001, 01:42 PM
How many are there? I'm really thinking about getting into it. The movie looks like it is going to be good. So, I want to read the books, too.

--Garfield

lightatdawn
11-16-2001, 02:07 PM
The Hobbit is kind of the first book to read. It takes place before the lord of the rings Trilogy (which answers your question about how many there are). Its not strictly neccesary to read the Hobbit before the Lord of the Rings but it kind of makes sense.

They're amazing books. Some of the best i've read. I just hope the movie doesnt make a total mockery of it. From what i've seen though it looks promising.

Unregistered
11-16-2001, 03:39 PM
ya its technically a trilogy but therer are two books in each trilogy book

Garfield
11-16-2001, 05:56 PM
Oh, I'll have to go get those. Sounds good.

--Garfield

Unregistered
11-16-2001, 07:56 PM
Technically it is one volume of 6 books + 1 Appendices, sold most commonly in 3 Volumes. If you wanted to be truly accurate, you could say that each of the 6 books are part of one large story, the history of the middle earth.

I would recommend reading the Hobbit before you start reading the Lord of the Rings, or at least Chapter V: Riddles in the Dark. However, even that isn't truly necessary as in the second chapter in book one of the Fellowship of the Ring, "The Shadow of the Past", you will learn more or less how the ring eventually came to be in Bilbo's possession. In the second book of the Fellowship, chapter 2, "the Council of Elrond", again you'll see how Bilbo came upon the ring.

Originally Tolkien had no real link between the LOTR and the Hobbit. Chapter V of the Hobbit was re-worked in 1966, the 2nd edition of the Hobbit, to make clearer the link between the two books. However, the LOTR is written with the mind that you may not have read the Hobbit, so if you read it or not won't really matter, but you'd be missing out on a great book.

Xterria
11-16-2001, 10:40 PM
I read the hobbit before, it sucks:mad:
Some fat little crittie things that run around with wizards shooting them and everyone goes on adventures and they all serve tea and they have beards and did i mention they're fat:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:
but thats just my opinion:D

Unregistered
11-17-2001, 04:15 AM
You don't sound like you even read the book. Hobbits are not fat (perhaps you are confused with dwarfs who tend to be stocky by nature). Nor do Hobbits have beards. The only hair they have is on their feet (which is they don't need shoes). If you're going to say you don't like something, I'll give you some advice: construct a decent argument.

bart
11-17-2001, 04:36 AM
Xterria, how much of the book did you read. I'm guessing that you started with the book, found it to difficult, and stopped. And most hobbits don't go on adventures.

Xterria
11-17-2001, 11:06 AM
yeah it said that they were fat with beards.....or was that just the bobbins guy

but still they are fat and stupid and they run around going on adventures and the wizard shoots them and did i mention they're fat:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:


i am right you are wrong this is how the world works
you have to get used to it i know its hard

Pendragon
11-17-2001, 11:20 AM
bobbins?
Do you mean Bilbo Baggins?
Your 'description' of him doesn't coincide with that of the book. I've read The Hobbit a couple of dozen times and haven't bored of it yet. It's a brilliant book, as is The Lord Of The Rings in my opinion.

Did you just not get into the story or hated it from the beginning? Or worse, did you have to read it in school?

The V.
11-17-2001, 11:38 AM
And most hobbits HATE adventures, only the Tooks, who are a little odd, have some liking for them. And even THEY get sick of them often.

As far as "wizards shooting them" there is only one wizard in the Hobbit, and he doesn't do a heck of a lot besides give advice. Certainly he never shoots hobbits.

The Hobbit is optional -- and BTW, there are 2 separate versions of the Hobbit -- when Tolkien did the LOTR, he rewrote much of chapter 5 of the Hobbit. Basically, in the first printings of the Hobbit, ch. 5 tells a story as he told it to his friends (and he lied). The new ch. 5 tells the real story, which was also recapped in LOTR, for those who never read the "new" Hobbit.

LOTR is a really good series. Probably one of my favorites.

LOTR consists of 6 books, usually sold in 3 volumes (Fellowship of the Ring, The Two Towers, The Return of the King). The Hobbit is a prequel, but somewhat an indirect prequel, so it's not critical to read. The Silmarillion is probably best to read AFTER the LOTR even though most of it takes place before. The Silmarillion is a harder read than the LOTR, but it's a great book as well -- I've read it 5 or 6 times. I didn't much like it after the first time I read it, but with rereading I really began to appreciate it more.

-KEN-
11-17-2001, 11:45 AM
I didn't like LOTR or the hobbit....

Pendragon
11-17-2001, 11:50 AM
You're in a minority... but each to their own.:)

bart
11-17-2001, 11:57 AM
i have tryd, ehh, attempted to read The Silmarillion, but found it to difficult

Pendragon
11-17-2001, 12:03 PM
The Silmarillion... I bought that book last week. I haven't had the time to read it yet.

-Pendragon

Unrelated fact:My favourite band was named after that book.

The V.
11-17-2001, 03:16 PM
The silmarillion is good, but it is dense, and it is more of an epic history than a single story. The quest for the silmarils is, of course, the common thread that runs through the novel, but the novel is more of a series of interconnecting yet distinct stories.

BTW, if anyone has a first print of the Hobbit, I'll pay $$$ =]

Garfield
11-17-2001, 05:03 PM
>> BTW, if anyone has a first print of the Hobbit, I'll pay $$$ =] <<

How do you know? I have an old copy. I'm thinking about reading it. Although, no time to. I'm still going through petzold. That is what I spend my free time doing. And I'm going to start assembler with the Z8 chip, so I have my hands full.

--Garfield

Xterria
11-17-2001, 07:40 PM
he's short and fat with a beard.....I know I remember:mad:

Unregistered
11-17-2001, 07:44 PM
Your memory serves you poorly.

Pendragon
11-18-2001, 05:42 PM
he's short and fat with a beard.....I know I remember

Re-read the first few pages of the book. You'll be surprised.

Garfield
11-18-2001, 07:57 PM
I just started the hobbit. It is really good so far. The dwarves (and Gandalf) barged into Bilbo Baggins' house and he still doesn't know what is going on. It is great so far :D

--Garfield

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novacain
11-19-2001, 03:36 AM
My understanding is that Tolkien was 'creating' a language for some degree/thesis/other.
The LOTR was his way of orgainising it so it was consistent and made sense.
(According to my semantics professor (almost) father-in law)

Anyone seen the other LOTR cartoon? Well, the half finished one?

Or read 'Bored of the Rings'?

IcyDeath
11-20-2001, 11:36 AM
I have red LotR for five or six times,
Silmarillion for three times and the Hobbit
for one time.

Althought I've red them in Finnish, but who cares...
I just loved those books, and I'm truely waiting for the movie(s).

BtW:
Bilbo did NOT have a beard!
And neither did Frodo, Merri and Pippin.(I'm not sure about Sam:confused:).

P.S.
I'm not sure about the names of those hobbits but I think they are right.:D:D:D

Xterria
11-20-2001, 06:09 PM
OOOOOGA BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOGAAAA!!!!

on page 12 i think:


They are inclined to be fat in the stomach

:mad:

Garfield
11-21-2001, 12:21 PM
>> Silmarillion <<

I had started reading this (before all the other books -- I know, stupid), and that was some tough reading (serious). I couldn't get past the couple of first pages.

--Garfield

Pendragon
11-21-2001, 02:42 PM
I cannot wait for the film to be released on December 6 (?) in the UK. After all the hype that's led up to it it'd better be good. :D

-Pen-reading The Hobbit for the umpteenth time.

Garfield
11-21-2001, 06:57 PM
>> I cannot wait for the film to be released on December 6 (?) in the UK <<

The 6th? Over here (USA), it comes out the 25th.

The Hobbit rocks!!!

--Garfield