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anonytmouse
04-01-2004, 04:22 PM
Coming soon...

Gmail is a free, search-based webmail service that includes 1,000 megabytes (1 gigabyte) of storage. The backbone of Gmail is a powerful Google search engine that quickly recalls any message an account owner has ever sent or received. That means there's no need to file messages in order to find them again.

http://www.gmail.com/

http://www.newscientist.com/news/news.jsp?id=ns99994842

kermi3
04-01-2004, 05:23 PM
I heard about that on NPR this morning...that thing is going to blow yahoo and hotmail out of the water...I'm switching as soon as they make it public.


...What I'm really waiting for though is my GMessenger...

Govtcheez
04-01-2004, 05:36 PM
I hope they don't have a limit on attachment size.

EvBladeRunnervE
04-01-2004, 06:27 PM
well, i was thinking something like this was going to come along now that a GB of space is less than a dollar(probably less if they get bulk deals), makes sense to spend alittle money as they will have more people going through their site.

-=SoKrA=-
04-02-2004, 02:59 AM
Well, it costs them about $2 per gig, and not that many people are gonna use that storage, except if they use it as a spam bucket.

I'm getting one as soon as it goes public.

nvoigt
04-02-2004, 03:10 AM
>now that a GB of space is less than a dollar

With single harddisks, it's only a dollar per GB. But keep in mid that this is not a single hard disk and hopefully even backed up, so costs go up accordingly.

RoD
04-02-2004, 03:27 AM
cprog mail owns u all

EvBladeRunnervE
04-02-2004, 07:45 AM
With single harddisks, it's only a dollar per GB. But keep in mid that this is not a single hard disk and hopefully even backed up, so costs go up accordingly.

really? I know a few friends who work at the local nuclear plant, Arkansas Nuclear One, and they purchase HDs by the bulk for all the computers they have(they have to keep backups of everything for a few years, so the HDs add up), and they can usually get 50 to 60 cents as the price per GB.

nvoigt
04-02-2004, 07:48 AM
Yes, but they are still buying single consumer HDs, not Storage Solutions. Storage solutions that are mirrored plus the back up equipment to keep backups and do it online ( you don't want your mailer to go down for an hours per day for backups, do you ? ) cost a good lot more than some HD from the next store.

undisputed007
04-02-2004, 07:50 AM
Does gmail provides free accounts ?? and if so i doubt that the free account will be of 1 GB of storage or even 100 MB

nvoigt
04-02-2004, 07:52 AM
2. How much does Gmail cost?

Gmail is a free service and includes 1,000 megabytes of storage with each account. However, Gmail is still in preview mode as we test it to work out the kinks. So for now, it's not generally available.


The first post said it. Look it up if you don't believe it.

undisputed007
04-02-2004, 08:04 AM
That will be so GREAT !!!!!

DavidP
04-02-2004, 10:08 AM
1 GB per user....

lets say 100,000 users (just for kicks)....

that is 100,000 GB of space allocated freely to the public....

they must have a lot of money....

kermi3
04-02-2004, 11:42 AM
1 GB per user....

lets say 100,000 users (just for kicks)....

that is 100,000 GB of space allocated freely to the public....

they must have a lot of money....
Considering that I read that yahoo has over 52 million users...I'd up your counting a bit....

But then again this does make sense....yahoo is developing it's own new engine and plans to move away from google, microsoft says it's going to come out with a new search engine that is even better, and I thought I heard that AOL was going to move away soon. Google needs to start finding ways to latch on to its customers, and this is one way that's going to blow them outta the water.

undisputed007
04-02-2004, 12:00 PM
But 1 GB is not logic any way because if it is really for free imagine the number of users that will make e-mail accounts and lets see how many GB will be used

I also wonder who really needs that his mail account reaches 1 GB byte of storage !!!!!!!!!!!

Govtcheez
04-02-2004, 12:10 PM
If the attachment limit is really high, I'd use it to mail large files back and forth.

*ClownPimp*
04-02-2004, 01:03 PM
>I also wonder who really needs that his mail account reaches 1 GB byte of storage !!!!!!!!!!!

Thats probably what they are hoping for, that hardly anyone will use anywhere near that much space.

undisputed007
04-02-2004, 01:09 PM
If the attachment limit is really high, I'd use it to mail large files back and forth.
but that is only for those who have broadband internet connections
but the normal users using 56 kbp modem won't get use of file transfer through e-mails

Govtcheez
04-02-2004, 01:59 PM
I don't really care about them, though.

RoD
04-02-2004, 02:12 PM
echo govt. I have a 2mb limit @ cprog which imo is pretty good.

undisputed007
04-02-2004, 02:17 PM
i think that the ideal storage range for mail counts from 10-40 MB ... and the attachment size if of maximum 10-20 MB .. that's is suitable at least for me
i have a Hotmail account but 2 MB is too small and also 1 GB is tooooooo large

Glirk Dient
04-02-2004, 02:23 PM
Free unlimited space is best. :D

undisputed007
04-02-2004, 02:41 PM
Free unlimited space is best. :D
if it continues free forever ...

Aran
04-02-2004, 09:04 PM
I get the feeling that gmail isn't going to give you a GB... it's just going to be as much space as you need until you hit a GB. They are, no way in hell, going to have a 999MBs of space sitting latent for some 10 year old who sends 100 byte messages back and forth with his friends that consist of maybe 10 words each.

kermi3
04-02-2004, 09:29 PM
well sure, I'd wager that they are betting on people not taking all their space...I mean even if they don't want you to delete anything except spam, how long does it take you to generate a gig of non spam e-mails? Especially on a non-ISP account.

anonytmouse
04-02-2004, 10:26 PM
We can say that an average heavy user of email will generate a gigabyte of mail over 4 years. If we say a gigabyte of storage, software and infrastructure will cost google $3 per user, that is 66c a year over a four year lifetime.

So it costs 66c a year to deliver very highly targetted daily advertising to a consumer. Compare that to a free-to-air television station which may be getting $40 of advertising revenue per viewer for only moderately targetted advertising.

Of course repeat audio-visual ads are far better at brain washing (and far harder to ignore) than text ads.

Then there is the income from selling the information. With several years of emails to go with their search data google will know more about people than they know about themselves.

golfinguy4
04-05-2004, 07:43 PM
Google could theoretically make a fortune of off this. By having companies invest in their web-sense advertising, they could make some serious bucks.

RoD
04-05-2004, 07:50 PM
Yea the untapped income they might be after here is huge.

Kinasz
04-06-2004, 02:41 AM
The other thing to consider is the extra space google might get out of it for their search engine. It must take massive amounts of space to index and cache all that data. If they set up email accounts with enormous limits they could be using all the excess space for their search engine?

heat511
04-06-2004, 07:44 AM
i hadn't heard about this at all... sounds awesome tho

i have 10 megs and i have to purge it every once and awhile b/c some of my larger word docs for classes take like 2 megs... i can't wait until this comes out!

joshdick
04-07-2004, 03:38 PM
Several privacy advocacy groups are making a stink about this because a computer program will scan e-mails for the purpose of targeted text ads. I don't see how that's a concern, but some think otherwise.

Do you think that GMail will be an invasion of your privacy? If so, will it be enough to discourage you from using it?

Thantos
04-07-2004, 03:43 PM
Invasion maybe if it stores the information, but at the same time I have one thing to say to those who use it and complain of invasion:

BOO I am sillyI am sillyI am sillyI am sillyING HOO!

If you don't like what they do just use their service.

Oh I'm surprised no one has pointed this out:

1000megs != 1 gig

1024 megs == 1 gig

undisputed007
04-07-2004, 03:49 PM
Do you think that GMail will be an invasion of your privacy? If so, will it be enough to discourage you from using it?

if so .. sure it will be so enough for me not to use their service

but i dont think so

anonytmouse
04-07-2004, 04:21 PM
1000megs != 1 gig

1024 megs == 1 gig

Actually, you're thinking of a gibibyte. The SI unit of a gigabyte is 10^9 bytes.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gigabyte



Several privacy advocacy groups are making a stink about this


Google's Gmail sparks privacy row (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/3602745.stm)


However, its terms of use acknowledge that "residual copies of email may remain on our systems, even after you have deleted them from your mailbox or after the termination of your account".

Thantos
04-07-2004, 04:28 PM
Um your point is?

1 073 741 824 bytes - 1024 times 1024 times 1024, or 230. This is the definition used in computer science, computer programming and almost all computer operating systems. This is measure can be abbreviated as GiB to avoid ambiguity

In speech, gigabyte is often abbreviated to gig,

Last time I check this was community of programmers and not telecomm peeps

anonytmouse
04-07-2004, 04:38 PM
>> Um your point is? <<

This is General Discussions, points are few and far between! :-)

In reference to storage, a gigabyte is usually 1000 megabytes. Try buying a harddisk where a gigabyte == 1024MB.

Thantos
04-07-2004, 04:43 PM
This is General Discussions, points are few and far between! :-)
True dat :)

In reference to storage, a gigabyte is usually 1000 megabytes. Try buying a harddisk where a gigabyte == 1024MB.
Yea but thats just a marketting ploy to make it seem like you are getting a bigger harddrive.

anonytmouse
04-07-2004, 04:52 PM
>> Yea but thats just a marketting ploy to make it seem like you are getting a bigger harddrive. <<

Yeah, it can be a little annoying when your new harddisk shrinks by a few gigabytes as soon as you put it in the computer!

jverkoey
04-07-2004, 05:29 PM
any idea when they might have this done?

Speedy5
04-08-2004, 02:00 PM
I have unlimited space on my free email at speedy at pagemac.com. However, its because I'm an admin and we run the email service. :)

Btw, pagemac.com is linked to two dedicated T1 lines for frikkin free. We know the company's head personally and we use his backup lines for free haha.

anonytmouse
04-14-2004, 08:03 AM
Google's Gmail could be blocked (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/3621169.stm)



Gmail, the planned free e-mail service from Google, could be facing strong legal opposition in California. A draft law is being drawn up by local Democratic Senator Liz Figueroa, who calls Gmail "an invasion of privacy".

Thantos
04-14-2004, 08:24 AM
Damn Democrats!

/whistle http://democrats.sen.ca.gov/servlet/gov.ca.senate.democrats.pub.members.memDisplayFeed back?district=sd10

JaWiB
04-14-2004, 08:28 PM
Bleh I'm sure the privacy issues really aren't issues at all. I hope this comes out soon (I'm at like 80+% of my email storage limit currently)