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Series X4 1.0
11-12-2001, 09:28 AM
Alle wir sind hier zum sterben.

Sorry, I'm just practicing my German. Babel-fish is a good tool to learn a language. The problem is to remember it.

Ich bin nicht sie.

Die welt ist ringsum.

Ich spreche den Deutch.

Ich erlerne den Deautschen.

Do you think the way you think will change if you learn another language? After all, we often 'think in words' when we are about to solve a problem.

zen
11-12-2001, 09:39 AM
After all, we often 'think in words' when we are about to solve a problem.

Maybe, but we still use these words as symbols, I'm not sure if we are really thinking these words but using them to symbolise what we are really thinking about. Do you dream in a language?

doubleanti
11-12-2001, 10:06 AM
growing up in two cultures/languages really helps make for more diverse, globally unifing people... it certainly humbles you...

[ironically enough i am hinting at myself... do you find me a reserved person? hmmm...]

continue;

Gades
11-12-2001, 10:33 AM
> Do you dream in a language?

Definetly you DO. At least I do. For example when I was living in America, after a few weeks I did dream in English. And after a year, when I went back to Spain, I was still dreaming in English (I know because I speak in dreams sometimes, so my brother told me about it).

But I don't think it has anything to do with the way you think.

:D Unless you think in German (then it must be serious) :D

nvoigt
11-12-2001, 02:27 PM
>Unless you think in German (then it must be serious)

HEY ! :p



>Alle wir sind hier zum sterben.
We are all here to die = Wir sind alle zum sterben hier.

>Ich bin nicht sie.
I'm not you.

>Die welt ist ringsum.
The world is all around [you].

>Ich spreche den Deutch.
I speak german = Ich spreche deutsch.

>Ich erlerne den Deautschen.
I learn german = Ich lerne Deutsch.

Gades
11-12-2001, 04:34 PM
nvoigt: I just want to point that my fiance is half German, and that 2 weeks ago I went to Hannover to a friend's wedding.

But I had to say it (>Unless you think in German (then it must be serious)

;)

nvoigt
11-13-2001, 01:51 AM
Hey, you were in Hannover ? Cool ;)

So did you like the City ? Really nice, isn't it ?

*cough*
*cough**cough*
*cough**cough**cough*

At least we have the worlds largest computer fair :p

Gades
11-13-2001, 04:45 AM
nvoigt: Actually my friends live just outside Hannover, but that area was nice. Specially because of the weather, it was a lot warmer than up here in Scotland. But anyway, I just went for two days for the wedding, so I didn't have the choice to see a lot of the place. I think you should take something for the cough, are you sitting next to a window?

Oh, I have one question about Windows 98, you might know. I had a problem with the keyboard.sys file, so I just reinstalled Windows98 SE in my computer. Then, yesterday I thought I should "defragment" (I'm not sure about the spelling because my Windows is in Spanish, but you should know what I mean) because my HD is quite full (it's only 4 Gigas) and it's making everything too slow. So yesterday after a few minutes it was done already up to 10%, after 1 hour up to 10%, after 12 hours up to 10%, what's going on?

klausi
11-13-2001, 05:07 AM
I think learning a foreign language doesn´t make us think different when you use it very often in discussion like that. I can say that I mostly think in English when I answer to computer-related questions.

I see that newsgroup as good practice for my English!

nvoigt
11-13-2001, 05:23 AM
>Specially because of the weather, it was a lot warmer than up here in Scotland.

oh, really ? wow... *g* maybe you got a good day, it was freezing over the weekend here ;)

I do think that using a language will sooner or later let you adopt some ways of thinking if you let it happen. But that depends on how often you speak it. For being more than just a foreign language, you probably have to use it daily. Both speaking/listening and reading/writing.

Computer problems come to my mind mostly in english. It's a lot easier since half of the programs are english anyway, and programming languages are english, too. You guys probably don't notice that, but programming can/will be quite hard if you don't know that print actually means... well... print. Just imagine that the function would be named schreibef instead of printf. Or Lesef instead of scanf. Or zchkvgl ( "Zeichenketten-Vergleich" ) instead of strcmp ( "String-Compare" ). How hard would that be ?

Win98/Defrag:

The first 10% are probably analysis, while the next 90% are working. Defrag needs free HD space, the more it gets, the faster it can work. So if you are really low on HD space, it takes ages. However, 12 hours is a bit much :(

Hi bavaria... you guys already got snow down there ? ;)

Stoned_Coder
11-13-2001, 05:54 AM
The best way to defrag any windows box is to boot to safe mode and defrag from there. Also kill any running programs first.

Fordy
11-13-2001, 06:36 AM
I use the Norton Speed disk for this.... Its seems to be faster than defrag

Gades
11-13-2001, 07:17 AM
Well, Señor Stoned_Coder, you were right. There was some program running that was modifying files all the time, so the defrag.. started every once in a while, after completing only 10%.

>>Specially because of the weather, it was a lot warmer than up here in Scotland

Actually, I think it was 3 weeks ago, and they told me that it was much warmer than usually. And also, remember that I live in the north of Scotland


And going back to the thread, I just remember that my fiance, when she's speaking in German she does it louder and she moves her hands less often than when she does in Spanish or English. And when she speaks in Catalan she behaves completelly different as well. And I think that when I speak in English (as I do everyday) I'm not so expressive. So I just think that although the language won't change the way you think (you still have the same opinion, and don't get smarter or anything) it might change the way you behave (act).

What do you think about this guys?

doubleanti
11-13-2001, 05:19 PM
i also use speed disk over defragmenter... dont' know why it lags at 10 percent... hmmm...

biterman
11-14-2001, 12:32 AM
The way a foreign language affects you depends entirely on how much you use, and how often you use it.

Take me for instance, my mother tongue is spanish. But i started studying english when i was 4 years old, i didn't even speak spanish well yet. Then of course came television, i watched everything in english. So after a while, i started to think in english more than i did in spanish.

And now, i'd dare say i almost never think in spanish. Specially now that nobody around me speaks spanish, and english is the only way i can really communicate. That's until i learn finnish of course, then i might start thinking in finnish... heh! that'll be fun. Agglutinative language, how will it feel to think in that?

Hehe! :)

adios,
biterman.

Gades
11-14-2001, 03:32 AM
Biter, as you speak Spanish you might know about this one:

I'm using Borland Turbo C++ 3.0, and when I want the program to do something like:

printf("El camión está rodando");

The program will print something like this:

El cami*n est* rodando


In search of * I will have a random ASCII character. Do you know how to set the program or whatever so that I can use the language properly?


P.D.: I've been able to defragment my hard drive already.

biterman
11-14-2001, 03:46 AM
Well it occurs to me that you could enum or define all the vowels that have a tilde (á, é, í, ó, ú), and then just pass the constants as parameters to printf().

I'm not sure this would work though, i'm just guessing. And you'd be hard coding the ASCII values for those characters, so it would only work in ASCII.

i mean something like this:

#define E_TILDE 130
enum { A_TILDE = 160, I_TILDE, O_TILDE, U_TILDE }
...
printf("El cami%cn est%c rodando.", O_TILDE, A_TILDE);

I hope this helps.

adios,
biterman.

Gades
11-14-2001, 03:49 AM
Gracias Biter,

it's a good idea, I think, but as my code has so many lines to print on the screen, it'd be too much. I'll just do it in English or without the tildes.

Thanks for being so fast! ;)