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ShadowMetis
03-15-2004, 09:41 PM
There's a petition to get a pardon for her and I think it's bull. Sign my opposing petition. You can also send this chain message out to your friends.


Martha Stewart is a $$$$$. She deserves to go to jail. Sign this petition and pass this message on to 10 people and tomorrow someone you don't like will get in trouble.
http://www.petitiononline.com/nopardon/petition.html

axon
03-15-2004, 10:08 PM
is this legal on this board?

RoD
03-15-2004, 10:12 PM
Originally posted by axon
is this legal on this board?

Nope.

JaWiB
03-15-2004, 10:39 PM
Lol good one...9.5/10

Govtcheez
03-16-2004, 08:08 AM
Online petitions work!


> Martha Stewart is a $$$$$. She deserves to go to jail.

She deserves to go to jail because you don't like her? That's a good reason.

I signed your petition.

ZakkWylde969
03-16-2004, 05:25 PM
She deserves to go to jail for the felonies she commited.

DavidP
03-16-2004, 05:43 PM
>You can also send this chain message out to your friends.

>Sign this petition and pass this message on to 10 people and tomorrow someone you don't like will get in trouble.

I dont care what Martha Stewart did, but I do care when little kiddies attempt to post "chain mail" or "chain messages" and i feel like i want to the beat them to a bloody pulp.

Govtcheez
03-16-2004, 07:18 PM
Originally posted by ZakkWylde969
She deserves to go to jail for the felonies she commited.
The evidence I saw was pretty circumstantial...

RoD
03-16-2004, 07:29 PM
whats she charged with anyway. Seriously, i never watch the news

Govtcheez
03-16-2004, 07:45 PM
Insider trading and stuff

RoD
03-16-2004, 07:56 PM
ahh, i thought everyone did that lol.

Thantos
03-16-2004, 09:21 PM
Weren’t there charges of impeding justice and lying to a grand jury?

DeepBlackMagic
03-17-2004, 05:34 AM
She wasnt convicted of commiting insider tradeing.

She was convicted of LIEING to the government about a phone call.

The REAL charges of commiting securitys fraud and insider trading and all that garbage agwere dropped and they are trying to get her on a technicality.

In this country we have something called sympathetic sentencing, when your charged with everything in the book, like trason, spying, and a whole bunch of other things, and you plead out on your lowest offence, such as credit card fraud or something, when the sentencing phase comes, everything you were charged with weighs against you as well, eventhough you werent found guilty of it.

She was found guilty of lieing to scumbags in the government about talking to a friend on the phone when they are investigating him. It was clearly a witch hunt and she tried to lie as to not get involved.

Thantos
03-17-2004, 09:33 AM
DeepBlackMagic I take it you feel its ok to lie to the government? If she did nothing wrong then why lie about it? Or hell why not just invoke her 5th admendment right?

For those of you who care: http://news.findlaw.com/hdocs/docs/mstewart/usmspb10504sind.pdf

Count One: Conspiracy to Obstruct Justice, Make False Statements, and Commit Perjury
Count Two: False Statements by Peter Bacanovic
Count Three: False Statements by Martha Stewart
Count Four: False Statements by Martha Stewart
Count Five: Making and Using False Documents by Peter Bacanovic
Count Six: Perjury by Peter Bacanovic
Count Seven: Obstruction of Justice by Peter Bacanovic
Count Eight: Obstruction of Justice by Martha Stewart
Count Nine: Securities Fraud by Martha Stewart

DeepBlackMagic
03-17-2004, 09:48 AM
Those are some very nice legal documents however most of those counts were dropped.

She didnt lie in court, note how she was never charged with purgery. The 5th is for when your on the stand in a court case, not when your talking to federal witch hunting grand inquisitor stormtroopers.

Conspiracy to obstruct a government witch hunt, and obstructing a government witch hunt by lieing about being a witch.

Conspiracy, which simply means talking to another person about the witch hunt, is a crime because talking is illegal now, And lieing, which is again just speech, is illegal since speech is illegal.

STOP TALKING! ITS ILLEGAL! Crime-speek! No evidence at ALL, no charges other than SPEEKING. Yes im very very angry with the socialist state of america. This is just like back with McCarthy. IM NOT A COMMUNIST! But you were accused! Name your communist friends! I AM NOT A TERRORIST! I AM NOT A FREE THINKER!

Go read the crucible. Fine work of american literature. Or 1984. Great book. Check a few parallels.

Thantos
03-17-2004, 09:58 AM
I provided proof of the charges, you provide proof they were drop. Do that and I might believe you.

Govtcheez
03-17-2004, 10:01 AM
Originally posted by Thantos
I provided proof of the charges, you provide proof they were drop. Do that and I might believe you.
From CNN:
Martha Stewart, 62, was convicted March 5 of obstructing justice, conspiracy and lying to investigators about her sale of stock in the biotech firm ImClone Systems Inc.
Either they were dropped or she was acquitted on the other charges. Just because someone's charged doesn't mean she did it.

Thantos
03-17-2004, 10:11 AM
Never said she was guilty just because she was charged.

However, IMO, lying about something leads creadence to you being guilty.

Oh found this. Kinda funny:

From: http://news.findlaw.com/ap_stories/e/1401/3-5-2004/20040305163008_21.html
CNBC and MSNBC at first reported Stewart was not guilty on some of the four charges against her in the stock-trading scandal. The jury convicted Stewart on all of the charges.



Hmm can't find any documents on Findlaw with the amended charges (after they dropped the others). Oh well.

novacain
03-21-2004, 12:01 AM
>>She was convicted of LIEING to the government about a phone call.


In that phone call the 'friend' told her that the govt had refused to give the go ahead to their cancer drug. This would cause the stock to crash. She decided to sell her stock before the news was made public and so avoid the loss. This is illegal.

When asked about it she submitted a false statement to the govt saying she did not know. This is illegal (and a form of perjury).

The govt offered to settle on a single charge, she refused and insisted they took her to court. There she lost. She can no longer be a board member as she is now a convicted felon.

Two stupid choices to cover up a greedy, illegal action (which she did to get money she did not need).



The point about keeping the American dream alive.

If the rich and powerful can cheat to ensure they win and you loose, how will any of you ever achive the riches you desire?

Someone has to be a high profile victim, or the small stock and overseas investors will continue to invest in real estate not stocks.