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Jeremy G
10-07-2003, 11:48 PM
Arnold is the governor of california....

Some people have voiced a concern, but hey-hes an actor. He can act like a governor heheheh.

This will be interesting.

BMJ
10-08-2003, 12:15 AM
I'd prefer to call him the Commander of California.

Thantos
10-08-2003, 07:42 AM
<does the happy dance>

Though I am kinda disappointed. He went from over 50% at the beginning to 48% at the time of this post.

Daniel
10-08-2003, 10:27 AM
I think this whole recall thing is a joke. How can people believe Arnold will do better job than Governor Davis? He has no past experience in politics. People only voted for him because every other person on the ballot were nobodies.

FillYourBrain
10-08-2003, 11:03 AM
California should like his leftists social positions. At least he has tried to portray himself as a fiscal conservative. Economically, that's what they need. Davis was the other end of the spectrum on fiscal issues. They had good reason to remove him.

Brian
10-08-2003, 11:23 AM
I still don't see how any sane person could vote republican.

FillYourBrain
10-08-2003, 11:28 AM
cute. but...
flame bait

Silvercord
10-08-2003, 11:29 AM
I don't see why any sane person would vote, period. But then again I don't see why any sane person would have sex with my momma, but alas everyone on my street does. Anyway don't disagree with Ah-nuhld, cause he will [arnold voice]rrrrrieepp your heaad off[/arnold voice]

FillYourBrain
10-08-2003, 11:31 AM
Originally posted by Silvercord
But then again I don't see why any sane person would have sex with my momma, but alas everyone on my street does. :confused:
Post her pic :eek:

Silvercord
10-08-2003, 11:35 AM
I am warning you.
I warned you.
Click at your own risk (www.thedevelopersalliance.com/~shadow12345/mom.jpg)

EDIT: and if you have some sort of wise crack comment like 'well haha that sure explains a lot' then you are perfectly correct and should say it.

kermi3
10-08-2003, 11:46 AM
I think this is actually going to be a massive negative for the republican party in CA. There is no way that Arnold can pull the state far enough out of rescession and deficate. If he does do it he'll have to cut so many popular programs that he'll get killed on that issue. The car tax that people are ticked off about is built into a law passed before Gray Davis' time and so now Arnold as to use the legislater to repeal that law. However, there's NO way that the strongly democratic state congress is going to make that easy on him, and even if he does get it repealed the funding he's going to loose will kill him.

Bottom line, I think he's inherited a bad situation and a congress that's hostile to him. I don't see him getting a new republican congress - due to social issues, and therefore he's just going to make republicans look bad so the democrats can retake the govenorship later.


PS sorry for my bad writing here - it's been a long day.

FillYourBrain
10-08-2003, 11:58 AM
interestingly I agree with you kermi. You never see the effects of an economic policy very quickly. Tax cuts, tax increases etc... often take several years to show economic implact. Look at the roaring economy in the first years of Clinton, and the dip that started before his last year ended. He'd been in for 8 years. It was enough time for tax increases to take their effect.

Arnold will be gone next election. Elections really aren't about who the best man is anyway. They're about who is putting on the best show.

Govtcheez
10-08-2003, 12:07 PM
Arnold's not the governor, his advisors are.

FillYourBrain
10-08-2003, 12:13 PM
probably true.

The only way this really effects me (and it does greatly) is that we won't be seeing a terminator 4. I'm really annoyed at that fact.

UnregdRegd
10-08-2003, 12:20 PM
I'm not familiar with California's internal governmental affairs, but Arnold Schwarzenegger has zero political experience. I would definitely not want someone best known for killing people and robots alike in movies to be the governor of my state.

I think too many Californians fell for the media coverage and began thinking, "You know, maybe the governor we've just elected hasn't been doing such a good job after all, and Arnold is running?! Wow! I'll vote fo' da Terminator!"

And did anyone else notice that the winner of the recall election only needs to get a plurality of the vote, even if that means only a very small percentage of the vote? That seems like rule by the minority (oligarchy), not democracy, to me.

Untitled1
10-08-2003, 12:29 PM
Give the guy a chance. Actors for politicians arent that bad. Take Ronald Reagan for example. He was a great prezident during his time in presidency... and those times werent very easy.

Silvercord
10-08-2003, 12:34 PM
and he got shot

Silvercord
10-08-2003, 12:35 PM
I'm not familiar with California's internal governmental affairs

nobody is, because it doesn't exist, that's why they had a re election

silly face

EvBladeRunnervE
10-08-2003, 01:02 PM
and he got shot

but he lived, didnt he? however, i can gather that maybe some crazy might shoot him then say, " hes the F-ing terminator, HES NOT DEAD!" as they put arnold in a grave.

axon
10-08-2003, 01:14 PM
Originally posted by Brian
I still don't see how any sane person could vote republican.

So in your opinion the Demicraps should govern our country. Do you want our country to be divided in to many different groups each one having their own rights? yes, you do? then vote Democrat.....

Brian
10-08-2003, 01:47 PM
The british should rule your country. Heil Tony.

FillYourBrain
10-08-2003, 01:48 PM
axon! let go of the hook! let go of the hook!!!

axon
10-08-2003, 02:03 PM
Originally posted by Brian
The british should rule your country. Heil Tony.

Sorry, I haven't noticed where you're from Brian. But now that I have...keep your nose in your own damn bussines, and let us decide who we should heil as supreme leader.....hahaha.

But seriously, personally I'm not a full blown Republican, sort of middle of the road. I do like Bush, even thought he dug him self into a hole which is WAAAYYY too deep for him...I do hope he is reelected. We'll see what happens.

Silvercord
10-08-2003, 06:16 PM
why do you like bush, i mean, he can't like, oh what's the expression I'm looking for...oh yeah, he can't do anything correctly...he can't even eat pretzels without almost killing himself, must less run a country. if i ever meet bush im going to punch him in the face

and then im going to pull my pants down and make a poopey on his shoe

axon
10-08-2003, 07:07 PM
Originally posted by Silvercord
if i ever meet bush im going to punch him in the face
and then im going to pull my pants down and make a poopey on his shoe

See, this is one of the things that is wrong with America. You can cll our President an idiot, (and everything else that silvercord said) and nothing happens. But when someone says something about a certaing Eagle's quartback (ahm, MacNab) all hell breaks loose.

Silvercord: whatever you may think of our President is your bussines but he is STILL your president! and he is leading your country, - there should be a certain respect there.

frenchfry164
10-08-2003, 07:49 PM
The main reason I hate Bush is because of his annoying pauses in his speeches. Like every other sentence he just sits there like he's confused as crap.

He spends too much money too.

axon
10-08-2003, 08:01 PM
Originally posted by frenchfry164
The main reason I hate Bush is because of his annoying pauses in his speeches. Like every other sentence he just sits there like he's confused as crap.

He spends too much money too.

At least he has a genuine character. I would hate to look at Gore's fake, stiff, and alien like face whenever a speach is needed. BTW IMO the whole good ol' cowboy thing is just an act on Bush's part...and it worked briliantly.

I do agree on the money issue thought, that is hurting him the most. It seems like he thinks that America's money pot is bottomless.

Xei
10-08-2003, 08:59 PM
Today, on the radio, a DJ remixed arnold's voice from saying "I'm a cop, you idiot!" into "I'm a governor, you idiot!". It was funny.

novacain
10-08-2003, 09:11 PM
>>People only voted for him because every other person on the ballot were nobodies.

Come on!

Gary 'what yo talkn 'bot Willis?" Coleman

Larry Flynt, publisher of Hustler and defender of US free speech

A porn star who wants to tax breast enlargements

and a cast of over 130 others.

Least it got nearly 60% of you out to vote. That 20% more than usually!


>>At least he has tried to portray himself as a fiscal conservative.

And also very 'hands on'.....

>>Arnold's not the governor, his advisors are.

So Rob Lowe is governor?

>>Take Ronald Reagan for example.

Yes but Regan was president of the Screen Actors Guild during the McCarthy communist witch hunts. He got some experience in dirty style politics there.

A better example would have been Jessie 'the body' Ventura.

Look at Arnie, he was surprised that the political media did not protect his reputation like the entertainment media has all these years.

>>Do you want our country to be divided in to many different groups each one having their own rights?

You mean like rich and poor?

Or coloured or white?

Or gay or straight?

Or Muslim or Christian?

>>But when someone says something about a certaing Eagle's quartback

That idiot said the QB only got the job because he was coloured. He reduced the debate to the colour of the mans skin.
I’m sure the Eagles pay him millions per year because his skin ‘matches’ their uniforms (rather than getting someone who can play).

>>IMO the whole good ol' cowboy thing is just an act on Bush's part...and it worked briliantly.

Yes it alienated the UN ie the rest of the world.

Put the US at war with half the Arab world. In a Vietnam style conflict it can't win/afford without help from UN members.
Opps......
(BTW where are the WMD that the US knew 100% Iraq had and could use in 45 mins?)

Encouraged Israel to attack its neighbours with its 'pre-emptive strike' policy. Now the US will loose more credibility in the UN, as it will have to veto the latest US Security council resolution against Israel (again).

Exemplary statesmanship GWB!

GWB, I hope a Koala goes feral when you are holding it when you come to ask us for more troops and cash later this month.
get a 'dog up ya!

axon
10-08-2003, 09:32 PM
>>That idiot said the QB only got the job because he was
>>coloured. He reduced the debate to the colour of the mans
>>skin. I’m sure the Eagles pay him millions per year because his
>>skin ‘matches’ their uniforms (rather than getting someone
>>who can play).

So what? that was his oppinion? is freedom of speach no longer valid when you are an unspoken white? It wasn't such a big deal when Dusty Baker a few months ago said that whites cannot play good baseball in hot weather. Don't you think that racism/prejudice is turning a bit around. I mean if everyone should be equal why uphold affirmitive action?

JaWiB
10-08-2003, 09:37 PM
We're stuck up idiots here in America...Vive la France!

axon
10-08-2003, 09:39 PM
Originally posted by JaWiB
We're stuck up idiots here in America...Vive la France!

I hope that this was a sarcastic comment. I hope that all Americans are proud to be American. Otherwise, get the hell out.

JaWiB
10-08-2003, 09:56 PM
Maybe I should have said "freedomland" instead? Honestly, many of us have bad attitudes about how the world should work. I mean we live in a country where people can make others pay for their faults, and where people complain about the littlest things. If a "basic freedom" is slightly threatened people can over react while we miss the big picture. At one time, Americans died for their freedom, and now most Americans don't even know what true patriotism means. The people I admire most are those that would willingly go to another nation knowing that, although they may not be welcome, they are there to help others gain the basic freedoms which we take for granted.

Untitled1
10-09-2003, 01:40 AM
Silvercord wrote:
and he got shot

and your point?
ever notice how only the good presidents get shot?
why didnt nixon get shot? ever think about that? that wussy resigned! the only prez in US history to resign. hmmm... couldnt have been because he was being generous to the VP...


assasinated presidents were:
Abraham Lincoln
William McKinley
John F. Kennedy
James Garfield
and those who were shot but not assasinated:
Harry Truman
Gerald Ford
Ronal Reagan
Andrew Jackson

how come Andrew Johnson or Bill Clinton didnt get shot? they are the only presidents that ever have been impeached! couldnt have been because they were doing something legitimate....

are you seeing a pattern there? Its not C++, dont try to decode it. its plain and simple.



now, I'm not taking sides with Arnold... but all im saying is that we should give this guy a chance now that he's in office. It's not like moaning and $$$$$ing about it is going to make any difference... now matter how much you do it... he will still remain governator.

Lets be patient and see how it develops... and those of you complaining from other states... back off... this is California business. IF you dont like the way things turned out... wait till next election.

novacain
10-09-2003, 01:40 AM
>>It wasn't such a big deal when Dusty Baker a few months ago said that whites cannot play good baseball in hot weather.

I did not hear that.
I don't know who Dusty Baker is, not being an American.
Is Dusty Baker white? If so it realy can't be racist as it was not about his own race (racism defined as "the prejudice that members of one's own race are intrinsically superior to members of other races").

But it was not directed at a SPECIFIC player.
Either way it is still wrong to make judgements on a persons race.

>>I mean if everyone should be equal why uphold affirmitive action?

Because everybody is not equal yet. Not close.

>>they are there to help others gain the basic freedoms which we take for granted.

Like the right to bear arms..........

So is the US going to ensure all Iraqiis, Afghaniis have access to the same level of armament as the average American?

H&R
10-09-2003, 03:39 AM
Hi all,
its no real suprise that Arnie won (why has everyone suddenly gone with ARNOLD ) Celebrities often do well in what amounts to a popularity contest.Over here we've had Seb Coe(athlete), Judi Dench and FFS Gyles Brandreth( TV presenter best known for wearing sad jumpers) so with Govenor Davis not doing so well and Arnie's coming in off the back of a successful movie release it was bound to happen. I hope he does well for the people of California, his wife should know something of politics even if he's not so hot.
As for GWB I agree with Novacain he has alienated the rest of the world, but his lack of concern for the rest of the world is no suprise when even after becoming president he admitted the were still STATES he had'nt been too. I'd thought a man running for the highest office in the land would at least make 1 visit each if only to the state capital.

Can someone tell me who said what about the Eagles QB, I interested to know. It would seem, just from a quick look at the Eagles website, that this guy is a decent player. The black thing sounds like someone spitting the dummy and playing the race card, the facts suggest he's there on merit and I don't belive any club would have a player on the team in that postion who couldn't play.

kermit
10-09-2003, 04:14 AM
Originally posted by novacain

Encouraged Israel to attack its neighbours with its 'pre-emptive strike' policy. Now the US will loose more credibility in the UN, as it will have to veto the latest US Security council resolution against Israel (again).


And this is a problem because? Is it pre-emptive, or retaliatory? Its not like the Palestinians have no blood on their hands. And you know the UN security council should keep their nose out of Israel. They prove time and time again that they are generally impotent anyway. They do not bother to meddle with any other sovereign nation in the same way they do with Israel. Imagine if they [the UN] tried to come in and tell the American government (or the British government, or any government that is truly sovereign) where it could go with its military, and what it could do. All this while aggressors were suicide bombing all over the place. I do believe the UN would be told to beat it. And rightly so. For a governent exists in part to look after the welfare of the people. Its funny how the media paints the Palestinians as the 'poor victims' and the truth is that Israel has been getting maligned for years over taking actions that nobody else would be criticised for.

Anyway, this is off topic, so I will add my token comment here:

Hopefully Arnold does good for the people of California. :D

~/

axon
10-09-2003, 06:35 AM
>>I don't know who Dusty Baker is, not being an American.
>>Is Dusty Baker white? If so it realy can't be racist as it was not
>>about his own race

Dusty Baker is a black chicago cubs manager. And see you didn't hear anything about it, yet you did hear about Limbaugh. There must be something wrong here.

FillYourBrain
10-09-2003, 06:47 AM
novacain-
That idiot said the QB only got the job because he was coloured. He reduced the debate to the colour of the mans skin. No he didn't. He said McNab is overrated and that the media props him up because they want a black hero. He was commenting on the media, not the eagles or their quarterback with relation to race. The media's pro-minority attitude was what he mentioned. But since you heard it from the media, I understand why you thought he said that.

edit:
Good commentary on it. http://www.boston.com/news/globe/editorial_opinion/oped/articles/2003/10/05/a_bum_bigotry_rap_on_limbaugh/ Rush was hung on this because he's Rush Limbaugh, not because he said something terrible.

H&R
10-09-2003, 08:04 AM
@Fillyourbrain,
Wow I never heard of Rush Lambaugh before your post but a little googling enlightened me

http://www.fair.org/press-releases/limbaugh-debates-reality.html

This guy is a plonker and it would seem sacking this clown is long overdue. Although I'm sure he is just making a career out of being controversial and that means the fault is ours for listening.

Also I see nothing wrong with the media building up a black player, minorities will benefit from such a positive role model and if his performaces don't live up to billing, thats down the to the Eagles, they pay his wages and I don't think he's starting QB for nothing.

FillYourBrain
10-09-2003, 08:39 AM
interesting perspective. The point is that he didn't say anything racist. If anything, he called attention to the media's racial favoritism aka racism.

Clyde
10-09-2003, 09:41 AM
whatever you may think of our President is your bussines but he is STILL your president! and he is leading your country, - there should be a certain respect there


You're an idiot.

We should not "respect" a leader just because he or she is the leader, what about all the national leaders today and in the past who are in fact totally useless:

Musolini, Hitler, Hussein, Pinochet are a few of the more obvious examples.

Should their respective peoples' have respected them, just because they were the national leaders at the time?

Here's an idea, maybe we should judge politicans on MERIT, instead of handing them "respect" on a platter merely because they have won a battle of spin.



I hope that all Americans are proud to be American


Again you are an idiot, we shouldn't be proud of our own nationality just because it's "our" nationality, we didn't even control which nationality we ended up in.

We should form our opinions based on rational, to simply drum into people that they should be proud of their country just because it's "theirs" merely blinds them to any faults, and correspondingly acts as inertia to beneficial changes.

Silvercord
10-09-2003, 09:57 AM
kind of reminds you of nazism otherwise

and the true soldiers and people that fight for this country should actually be proud of the fact that people are able to protest, because they lay their lives on the line so they can have the right to do that.

Govtcheez
10-09-2003, 10:47 AM
> ever notice how only the good presidents get shot?

Christ, you're a moron.

Rez
10-09-2003, 11:02 AM
>>Christ, you're a moron.<<

Moron

BMJ
10-09-2003, 01:06 PM
Well at least we wont ever have to worry about Arnold becoming President :rolleyes:

UnregdRegd
10-09-2003, 01:09 PM
Originally posted by axon
whatever you may think of our President is your bussines but he is STILL your president! and he is leading your country, - there should be a certain respect there.

I would certainly have more respect for the current president if he didn't do so many things that will have a negative impact on the future of the United States and of the world as a whole: unilateral withdrawal from important international treaties (e.g., Kyoto Protocol), disdain for the United Nations and diplomacy in general, the invasion of Iraq, inappropriate tax cuts, attempts to repeal minimum wage laws by his Republican Party, attempts to concentrate power in the executive branch (e.g., the Patriot Act) , etc. ad infinitum.

No government is sacred. It should be seen as the expression of the people's will, not an end in itself. And why shouldn't a British citizen have the right to criticize the government of the United States? The United States acts internationally and has, thus, opened itself to international criticism.

And I have found it incredibly difficult to be proud to be an American since September 11, 2001. I am embarrassed by what our government has done in our names. Actually, I see the whole patriotism thing for what it really is now: a way to silence constructive criticism and to prevent people from finding out about all the horrible governmental-corporate collusion and general corruption that occurs in our government.

axon
10-09-2003, 01:51 PM
Originally posted by Clyde
You're an idiot.

Firstly, I have not insulted anyone, and I don't know why you insulted me. Give me arguments that support your opinion instead of calling me an idiot. After that phrase your later arguments are seemed in a much dimmer light. How do you want to persuade anyone by starting your text by insulting them. You should think this over for the future.



Musolini, Hitler, Hussein, Pinochet are a few of the more obvious examples.

If you are comparring Bush to any of the above mantioned than there is something wrong with your reasoning my friend. And if you really think that Bush is at the same level as any of the above, than we have nothing to talk about.



we shouldn't be proud of our own nationality just because it's "our" nationality, we didn't even control which nationality we ended up in.

Actually a lot of Americans did have the control to which country they pledge their citizenship. Secondly if one despises ones one country, one can simply go to the country they feel good in. America is one of those places that millions upon millions of people would do anything to spend their lives in. That is one of the reasons why I am proud to be an American.

axon
10-09-2003, 02:01 PM
unregdregd: your arguments are quite plausable. Yet you could find "horrible governmental-corporate collusion and general corruption" in each and every government throughout history. The US is no different in that aspect by a long shot.


I am embarrassed by what our government has done in our names

what would you rather be done after 9/11? would you let this pass as a simple slap on the wrist as Clinton did when the suicide boat has killed almost 20 American navy men in Yemen? Yes, Alqueda has "exposed" the fact that America is indeed valnurable, and if our government did not retaliate who knows what would have happened next.

I do agree with you about the wrongness of the Patriot Act. I don't agree with losing any of my freedoms because of anything that happened. I oppose almost everything within the Patriot Act.

I would love to write some more, but I need to get to class. Talk to you later,

axon

axon
10-09-2003, 02:04 PM
H&R since you've never heard of Rush, I suggest you should keep any comments to your self before you find out much more about him. It is curious that if he is "such a bad guy" that he has the most popular show in America!!!!