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gamegod3001
08-28-2001, 07:25 AM
Some crap ass adult site caused my modem to dial an international call without my knowlege, of it dialing or it being an adult site in the first place. I have no clue what site it was but I belive it was the site that gave me the message box saying Free Games. That site is not listed in my history but I know the call was made on wedsday. Do you know how in the world to prevent this from happening. I've already owe enough monney and can't afford this. :mad:

iain
08-28-2001, 09:30 AM
there is a free and easy way to stop this from happening, install a firewall. i recommend zonealarm free from www.zonelabs.com.

Your dialling program works independantly from your dialling settings and browser. When an application tries to connect to the internet your firewall will detect it and you have to authorize the connection. You can also prevent programs from connecting by refusing them permission ever to connect to the network or internet.

Zonealarm had prevented my computer dialling into these sites three times now and i never connect to the net without it.

(tip: if you want to remove the nasty program, search for dialler.exe and delete it - this is what the program is normally named)

hth

no-one
08-28-2001, 11:30 AM
>I have no clue what site it was but I belive it was the site that gave me the message box saying Free Games.<

don't ever click on those dialogs... trust me...

BTW:
M$ disabled the use of ZoneAlarm in WinXP among other things...

no free firewalls for j00 use ours thats comes with WinXP...

O THANKS MS FOR LETTNG ME CHOOSE MY PROTECTION i have SO much trust in you since you Backdoored IIS boy i just want to use the firewall they give me... what crap...

anyways ZoneAlarm is a good program...

rick barclay
08-28-2001, 11:54 AM
You might also look for a program called Evidence Eliminator.
This program, upon startup empties your trashcan and deletes
all your temproary internet files left over from the last time
you were online. I think it also deletes your cookies, too,
but I'm not sure about that. I do know that one time I made
the mistake of scoping this porn palace out and a zillion
hot pink flashy ads came popping out all over the place. I
couldn't click my mouse fast enough to get rid of them all!
I was really worried as to what was going to greet me when
I rebooted, but all my fears were allayed with Evidence
Eliminater. Not one porn ad ever since that misadventure.

rick barclay

no-one
08-28-2001, 12:04 PM
Evidence Eliminator does more than that rick
i would take me a day to tell and explain all that program does...
and how much crap IE stores around on your sys...

novacain
08-29-2001, 03:18 AM
I see a lot of posts asking for dubious code.

For example,
'How to reset a PC'
or
'How to hang up a connection'
or
'How to keep the site from the history'

If you tell ANYBODY how to do these things, without wondering why, then don't complain if they burn you with the results.

Maybe I am just paranoid, but not as much as this guy;
http://www.yowusa.com/Archive/May2001/CYBERW_1/cyberw_1.htm

Or is this guy right about MS?
http://www.pbs.org/cringely/pulpit/pulpit20010802.html

adrianxw
08-29-2001, 04:56 AM
>>> posts asking for dubious code

I certainly believe that some people are trying to be destructive. However, most people who wish to write viruses, (etc.), need to have a good understanding of their target systems. I don't think that applies to people who are asking such basic questions. I don't know what they are trying to do, but they may well have a perfectly legitimate reason for doing these things.

Pretty much everything they ask is already documented in the help, if not, a web search will find it quickly. I think some people are simply lazy, and ask here rather than trying to work out the appropriate query for their search engine.

As an experiment, I just searched google with the string "how to write a virus" and it returned over 2500 results. Obviously I didn't bother looking at them, but I'd be prepared to bet that at least some of them would give a would be virus writer all they needed.

That lot said, I would certainly agree that anyone giving advice without giving the consequences at least a passing thought is probably doing someone, somewhere a dis-service.

Esss
08-29-2001, 06:24 AM
M$ disabled the use of ZoneAlarm in WinXP among other things...Or rather, 'bugs in ZoneAlarm prevent it running on XP'. Ultima VII doesn't run on Win2k (much to my distress); does this mean that Microsoft is killing off other developers' role-playing games?


there is a free and easy way to stop this from happeningIt's called 'don't run programs from the Internet which you don't trust'.

Witch_King
08-29-2001, 09:18 AM
With my cable modem setup I don't think something like this is possible. I just pay the flat rate and I can go anywhere on the internet. If I want to see porn stuff I can use my credit card but I have to sign up and all that. Too bad for you phone people.

iain
08-29-2001, 11:47 AM
>>dont run programs from the net you dont trust

its not that straight forward, i have visited warez sites before that downloaded a program without me clicking so much as a hyperlink. It immediatly tried to dial an international number but was trapped my zonealarm.

Govtcheez
08-29-2001, 11:51 AM
With my cable modem setup I don't think something like this is possible. I just pay the flat rate and I can go anywhere on the internet. If I want to see porn stuff I can use my credit card but I have to sign up and all that. Too bad for you phone people.Sorry, Dean. Us "phone people" can go anywhere just as easy as you bourgeosie broadband users can. It just takes a little longer...

no-one
08-29-2001, 12:22 PM
>Or rather, 'bugs in ZoneAlarm prevent it running on XP'. <

thats BS they disabled it NOT ITS BUGS(WHAT BUGS) because its free andcompetition for their builtin firewall AND WHY THE HELL DO I NEED THEM TO DISABLE BUGGY SOFTWARE FOR ME i think i can handle that MYSELF!!!

I DON'T TRUST MS THEY BACKDOORED IIS THEY ADMITED ITS LIKE IM GONNA TRUST THEIR FIREWALL!!!!

>Ultima VII doesn't run on Win2k (much to my distress); does this mean that Microsoft is killing off other developers' role-playing games?<

this is probably a compatability issue... Win2k wont run X-Com or Ascendancy either...

the KEY word is DOESNT run not is DISABLED there is a difference...

Esss
08-29-2001, 12:36 PM
I DON'T TRUST MS THEY BACKDOORED IIS THEY ADMITEDReally? Is that why I can't find any article about them having 'admited' this? Or do you simply not keep your installation patched?

the KEY word is DOESNT run not is DISABLED there is a difference...Indeed. I note the latest version of ZoneAlarm does run on XP. Which doesn't do much for your theory...
http://www.zonelabs.com/xpupdate/

i have visited warez sites before that downloaded a program without me clicking so much as a hyperlinkIn which case, you have bugs in your Web browser and it needs updating - or you habitually run in 'Low Security', for which there is no excuse.
http://www.microsoft.com/security/mpsa

no-one
08-29-2001, 12:49 PM
>Really? Is that why I can't find any article about them having 'admited' this? <

they "fixed" it in the latest release and the article has since been taken down...

>Indeed. I note the latest version of ZoneAlarm does run on XP. Which doesn't do much for your theory...

i stand corrected...

>>i have visited warez sites before that downloaded a program without me clicking so much as a hyperlink<<

>In which case, you have bugs in your Web browser and it needs updating - or you habitually run in 'Low Security', for which there is no excuse. <

i run on medium security and it happend to me also at a site...

and im runing the latest updated IE so thats not the problem.

Esss
08-29-2001, 01:47 PM
and im runing the latest updated IE so thats not the problem.Really? Version 6.0? Amazing. Well, if you can recall the address of said site, then direct me to it. If you can find a genuine security problem with IE, you should report it to Microsoft and NTBugTraq, in that order, so it can be patched.

Witch_King
08-29-2001, 03:12 PM
I'm running IE 6.0 on high security because it was recommeded since I have VS.NET beta 2. HAHAHAHAHAHA

rick barclay
08-29-2001, 06:01 PM
Originally posted by King o the Witches

With my cable modem setup I don't think something like this is possible.

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Attitudes like that will be your demise, bub. Cable modems
offer zilch protection from hackers. Your witch harem is
wide open for the taking. Don't think so? Get Black Ice
Defender and check your logs after the first few hours.
There are maniac college students like yourself out there
plugging their laptops into the campus network and scanning
selected ranges of ip's for the sole purpose of creating mayhem.

Cable companies do not place a firewall between their clients
and their clients' internet connection. There's nothing but
ether between you and the hackers. :D :D :D

rick barclay

Witch_King
08-29-2001, 06:08 PM
I'll get WinXP. I'll use the firewall and I will drive the evil Skeletor and his band of rouges out of Palizar and all the people will live free lives. Yippeeee! HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

-KEN-
08-29-2001, 06:29 PM
oh man...skeletor? methinks you need to watch less cartoons.

Oh yeah, like I'd trust a microsoft firewall. I mean, not just for some dumb reaons like "Oh, they have money. they're bad. their products suck" No, because their operating systems are extremely insecure AND hotmail gets hacked all the time (yeah, it doesn't run on windows, but they should still be able to protect it.). I think them blocking 3rd party firewalls falls should fall under their monopoly lawsuit, shouldn't it? I mean, if you can't install ZA in your new OS, and you HAVE to use XP's own, then aren't they making it so zone labs (or any firewal manufacturers) can't make money?

Witch_King
08-29-2001, 06:57 PM
By the powers of grey skull. I AM THE POWER!!!

Esss
08-29-2001, 07:41 PM
No, because their operating systems are extremely insecure
Oh dear. Do you have a list of the unfixed security holes, then? I'm sure there's a lot of people who would like to see such a list.

hotmail gets hacked all the time (yeah, it doesn't run on windowsWhile it does run on Windows (try Netcraft), I don't recall the last time it was 'hacked'. Perhaps you can enlighten me?

I mean, if you can't install ZA in your new OSCan you not read, or do I need to repeat myself?

Let me spell it out in short words: they have not blocked ZoneAlarm: ZoneAlarm contained bugs that prevented it operating on Windows XP. Those bugs are fixed in the latest version. What's the problem?

no-one
08-29-2001, 11:14 PM
>Really? Version 6.0? Amazing.

Esss don't be an Asss.

>Oh dear. Do you have a list of the unfixed security holes, then?

its the ones they DONT KNOW ABOUT THAT CAUSE THE PROBLEMS!!!!ARE THERE DOESNT SEEM TO BE ANY SHORTAGE!!

Esss
08-30-2001, 06:39 AM
Esss don't be an Asss.I will put money on the probability that you weren't running IE6 final release (build 2600) when you had something downloaded without your knowledge.

its the ones they DONT KNOW ABOUT THAT CAUSE THE PROBLEMS!!!!ARE THERE DOESNT SEEM TO BE ANY SHORTAGE!!Well, if you don't know what they are, how can you assert there are any? If you can demonstrate one security hole of which Microsoft are unaware, I'll back down. However, in that case you should inform them, don't you think?

It remains the fact that most of the world's large business Web sites run on IIS. They use IE and Windows 2000 internally. Do you really think they would if they were as insecure as you make out?

Govtcheez
08-30-2001, 06:45 AM
If you can demonstrate one security hole of which Microsoft are unaware, I'll back downLadies and gentlemen, boys and girls, welcome to the CProgramming.com Arena for the Main Event! In this corner, weighing in with years of experience and thousands of lines of code, I give you the Bristol Bomber, Esss!!! And in the blue corner, packing extended capitalization and numerous misspellings, it's the mystery man: no-one!!! Gentlemen, you know the rules. If no-one points out a security hole that remains unpatched, he will be declared the winner and Esss will be proven wrong (for once)! If he is unable to uncover the deep dark mysteries of IIS or hotmail, Esss will be permitted to dance over his battered and bruised compiler! Let's have a fair fight, and may the best man win!

Witch_King
08-30-2001, 06:56 AM
There are security holes in IE6 but that is not to say that it isn't a great web browser. The good thing about Microsoft is that they will automatically update their software if you are running WinXP.

I sure hope that more large corporations use MS operating systems because I like how they are the one source that will supply you with everything you need. I think that a lot of complaints stem from Win9X. I also have a problem with the non business operating systems. WinXP home edition programs will not allow any direct hardware access and therefore less hang ups. I'm quite excited about the new technology actually and MS is without a doubt the best company.

nvoigt
08-30-2001, 07:40 AM
>>>IE6 final release (build 2600)

Well... last time I downloaded the installer was this morning
when I finally got 2000 for my PC at work, and it said it was
a public preview (beta) and only available in english.

Now, as long as it works, I don't care if it's beta or english,
and it does work well. But now, half of all Windows menus
( like right clicking on a folder for example ) are english, half
of them are german. I have yet to find the logic behind which
part of my OS works with which language. I don't really care
if something is german or english as long as it works, but you
can't really say that this is a release version someone can use.

I don't have problems with it, I like it, but it's far from being
officially used with all our PCs. I'm just a lucky guy, because
being developer means you can choose your software yourself
on your PC at work. Other people who get the standard
installation of our IT dept. will get IE5.5.

I, too, would like to have ZA with my XP. If I get XP at all.
I've seen too many bugs in MS products. I like them, I use
them, but I don't trust them to guard my security.
Because if there is a bug in it, it will be known to the people
who abuse it in no time. And while it isn't worthwhile to
exploit a bug in ZA at the moment, because there are
enough people without a firewall around, if they all use XP,
it will be the best and easiest target available.

Witch_King
08-30-2001, 08:45 AM
If you take a trip to microsoft.com than you can download IE6.0. There is a link and a picture right now on their default page.

no-one
08-30-2001, 11:16 AM
>I will put money on the probability that you weren't running IE6 final release (build 2600) <

Who is? you knew dang well thats not what i meant.

>If you can demonstrate one security hole of which Microsoft are unaware, I'll back down.<

Excellent try, but irrelevant... i don't have to find a hole someone will do that for me i'll let you know when it happens if you want.

simply put, Can you honestly deny their existence?

Govtcheez
08-30-2001, 11:20 AM
> simply put, Can you honestly deny their existence?

Oooh! Oooh! ::raises hand:: I'll take this one. If you can't show they're there, can you honestly prove their existence?

Witch_King
08-30-2001, 11:34 AM
I fugure that there will be less bugs in the future. MS has gone to lengths to eliminate DLL HELL for example. This problem stemed from the fact that some programs share DLL files. If a new program updated a DLL than an older program that depended on that DLL might suddenly not run anymore. This was a big problem that the Common Language Runtime will eliminate. I can't wait till you guys get real Operating Systems and stop running Win9X.

no-one
08-30-2001, 01:01 PM
>Oooh! Oooh! ::raises hand:: I'll take this one. If you can't show they're there, can you honestly prove their existence?<

thank you Govt,

their exisence has been repetadly proven whilst there nonexistence has been as much each time disproven. so, it stands to reason there will be more when the next one comes i shall be proven correct so it is pointless to argue otherwise.

Govtcheez
08-30-2001, 01:05 PM
Right, but what proof do you have that MS hasn't patched up all the holes? (bear with me - it'd be extremely difficult to patch up everything) Everytime they patch a hole, it brings them that much closer to having it locked up tight, so how do you know they're not done now?

no-one
08-30-2001, 01:19 PM
>Everytime they patch a hole, it brings them that much closer to having it locked up tight<

not true, each patch can also introduce many new holes and this is often the case...

>so how do you know they're not done now?

do you realize each time you ask this question i can answer it with

"So how do you know they are?"

there is no solution to this argument until the next "Hole" is or is not found you case can only be proven if by the end of time no other hole has been found where-as mine is proven as soon as a hole is found.

Govtcheez
08-30-2001, 01:33 PM
do you realize each time you ask this question i can answer it with
"So how do you know they are?"You're right, and round and round we go. I'm just saying you can't assume there are holes unless you can find them. Likewise, I can't assume there aren't any holes unless I (and everyone else) can't find any. I'm not really trying to prove anything, tho - I don't know enough about security to do that. I'm just trying to see if you'll point out a hole that's not fixed.

no-one
08-30-2001, 01:34 PM
>I'm just trying to see if you'll point out a hole that's not fixed.

give up, I won't point out a hole, so all of you can stop drooling.