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confuted
09-13-2003, 08:13 PM
Sean Mackrory needed me to post this for him.




I need my essay rough draft to be reviewed by as many people as possible by Monday. Please read the following list of things' I'll be graded on, the attached text file, and then point out any mistakes, suggestions, or ideas you may have. Please notice that correctness of opinion is not on the rubric, so please let's not have another America bashing session. Constructive criticism only, but feel free to point any grammar or spelling errors- I did this in DOS, so spell check wasn't very integral. Thanks.

Thesis statement is clear (we're supposed to underline it, but its txt, so it's the 2nd last sentence in the first paragraph)
It drives the paper

Introduction identifies titles/authors
Introduction contains authors definition of American Dream
Paper reaches a definitive conclusion
Sequencing is logical and effective
Transitions assist in the flow
Clarity of whether statement is comparing similarities or contrasting differences
Ideas are clear
Specific details provide support
Word choice (specific and accurate, not repetitious)
Sentence Fluency easy flow, variety of structure
Conventions (spelling, grammar...)
No first of second person
Voice and feeling evident
Thoughtful insight provided
Let me just clarify that this is supposed to be comparing/contrasting the two works (don't worry if you haven't seen either one, just trust my facts), but I was still supposed to take a position. My position is that they're both wrong, so please make sure that I am c/c-ing, but that I make my point clear. Thanks everybody.


Here's his essay.



Every young boy dreams at some point of being a famous foot-ball player, astronaut, or firemen. But how often do these unrealistic expectations come true? It’s this rarity that has prompted one of the longest standing debates in American history. People have questioned the American Dream since the day it was born. It’s advocators are there, but number few in comparison. Two excellent examples are Arthur Millers play The Death of a Salesman and the more recent film from Angelo Pizzo’s, “Rudy.” Each of the two works opposes the opinion of the other, providing for some interesting comparison. One of the pieces must certainly have the correct opinion, but unfortunately they are both invalid. Very few of the works that deal with the reality of the American Dream give it, or it’s opponents a fair chance and some decent consideration. In this case, the problems lie with the dreams that are portrayed, the hypocrisy in which they depict getting to that dream, and the lack of consideration they gave to actually accomplishing that dream.
If every young boy who dreamed of being a professional football player grew up to one day be that athlete, America would be pathetic. By no means is football bad, considering the entertainment and enjoyment it gives the other hard working Americans. The problem arises with a situation such as the Cold War. If the designers of America’s defense systems had spent their lives preoccupied with football, America would not be the only surviving superpower. Instead, its population would consist mainly of skeletons buried several feet down in a desolate, vast desert of radioactive sand. This is not the American dream. It never was, nor ever will be. Clearly the idea of success should, naturally and also for the sake of common sense, differ from person to person. If people want to be astro-nuclear-rocket-scientists, so be it. Not only does it help them to be happier by living the career they want, but it contributes to the success of America. The goal of a country of course, should never be to destroy itself. The two aforementioned shows are both guilty of this corrupt logic. Rudy spent his whole life dreaming of being a football player. Surely there is nothing wrong with such a goal. There is something wrong when it is considered that Willy Loman spent much of his pre-adult life as a football player. He had some sense knocked into him upon entering the real world, but it could very well be argued that football was his dream for the first twenty years of his life. These two works are not alone. Several other of the famous works on the subject also make significant mention of football being a defining factor of success. Obviously it’s a common notion among hese writers that it is. If it were, then of course the dream is corrupt! If the dream really was the typical white-picket-fence, then of course it would be corrupt! But these ideas are ridiculous, and it needs to be considered that life can go one without football. Getting to be a football player for a college or professional team is very rare, and it must be known that it takes an interesting mix of determination and ‘dumb-luck’ to get where Rudy did the way he did.
Getting to the goal of life-time achievement is by no stretch of the imagination a small task. It is by all means daunting at the least (albeit possible to almost anyone who goes about it correctly). Being such an integral part of the topic, it must therefore be included in any argument, for or against the dream, in order for it to be a fair and balanced look at the subject. The audience certainly feels pity for Willy Loman when only his later life is considered. He worked with the company for so many years, did as much as he could, and he still lost everything. So why is this corrupt logic? Because life-time achievement takes a life-time of achievement. Willy Loman spent the first half of his life with the completely wrong values. He simply can not expect to turn his whole mindset around one day and have everything turn out the way he planned. As unmerciful as it sounds, there has to be a cut-off point somewhere. The dream is indeed possible to anyone, but not those who waste half their life and make stupid decisions. Rudy is even worse a case. He should be given credit for his attitude at least. He had the ultimate in enthusiasm and determination throughout his whole life. Where he went wrong was when acted on that determination, which just happened to be never. He didn’t work as hard as he could have done in High School, just to cite one example. The only reason he got as far as he did is that he was given a leg-up at almost every step of the way. This is not implying that giving one another leg-ups should be forbidden in America, but rather that they should never planned on. The situation worsens yet, when it is realized that Rudy, who has just peaked in life, now faces a future much like Willy Loman’s adult life.
From what is seen of Rudy’s life, it can easily be concluded that the final game of his senior year at Notre-Dame was the climactic point of his life. Certainly the audience is happy for Rudy when he finally achieves this once-in-a-liftime opportunity, but they would not be if they had any idea of what was to come. If everything Rudy had ever done was to get here, how prepared was he now to move on? He did have the degree, but that was a side effect. If the previously outlined logic is to be followed, the degree should count as nothing more than a bonus. It wasn’t planned on. It never entered his way of thinking until he had his final talk with the groundskeeper. Good grades were just the means of getting to football. Willy Loman parallels this yet again. He would die without ever having accomplished what he said was his dream, to become a respected, well-known, and honorable salesman. That was his second dream. He grew up dreaming of popularity in high school. He achieved this, but the lack of consideration he gave to his future only led to his downfall. Clearly the mistakes made by each author does nothing more than undermine their point.
The fact that somebody in this world of almost seven-billion can somehow conceive a situation in which an event could possibly occur, does not mean that it does. “Rudy” was based on a true story, maybe The Death of a Salesman was too (although not specifically stated). But in that very same world of almost seven-billion creative minds, that means very little. More needs to be done in that world of philosophy if society is ever going to come to steady conclusion about whether or not the dream is alive.


I'll attach it too, in case you want to make changes.

JaWiB
09-13-2003, 10:07 PM
Every young boy dreams at some point of being a famous foot-ball player, astronaut, or fireman. But how often do these unrealistic expectations come true? It’s this rarity that has prompted one of the longest standing debates in American history. People have questioned the American Dream since the day it was born. Its advocators are there, but number few in comparison. Two excellent examples are Arthur Miller's play The Death of a Salesman and the more recent film from Angelo Pizzo’s, “Rudy.” Each of the two works opposes the opinion of the other, providing for some interesting comparison. One of the pieces must certainly have the correct opinion, but unfortunately they are both invalid. Very few of the works that deal with the reality of the American Dream give it, or its opponents a fair chance and some decent consideration. In this case, the problems lie with the dreams that are portrayed, the hypocrisy in which they depict getting to that dream, and the lack of consideration they gave to actually accomplishing that dream.
If every young boy who dreamed of being a professional football player grew up to one day be that athlete, America would be pathetic. By no means is football bad, considering the entertainment and enjoyment it gives the other hard working Americans. The problem arises with a situation such as the Cold War. If the designers of America’s defense systems had spent their lives preoccupied with football, America would not be the only surviving superpower. Instead, its population would consist mainly of skeletons buried several feet down in a desolate, vast desert of radioactive sand. This is not the American dream. It never was, nor ever will be. Clearly the idea of success should, naturally and also for the sake of common sense, differ from person to person. If people want to be astro-nuclear-rocket-scientists, so be it. Not only does it help them to be happier by living the career they want, but it contributes to the success of America. The goal of a country of course, should never be to destroy itself. The two aforementioned shows are both guilty of this corrupt logic. Rudy spent his whole life dreaming of being a football player. Surely there is nothing wrong with such a goal. There is something wrong when it is considered that Willy Loman spent much of his pre-adult life as a football player. He had some sense knocked into him upon entering the real world, but it could very well be argued that football was his dream for the first twenty years of his life. These two works are not alone, as several other of the famous works on the subject also make significant mention of football being a defining factor of success. Obviously it’s a common notion among these writers that it is; if it were, then of course the dream is corrupt! If the dream really was the typical white-picket-fence, then of course it would be corrupt! But these ideas are ridiculous, and it needs to be considered that life can go on without football. Getting to be a football player for a college or professional team is very rare, and it must be known that it takes an interesting mix of determination and ‘dumb-luck’ to get where Rudy did the way he did.
Getting to the goal of life-time achievement is by no stretch of the imagination a small task. It is by all means daunting at the least (albeit possible to almost anyone who goes about it correctly). Being such an integral part of the topic, it must therefore be included in any argument, for or against the dream, in order for it to be a fair and balanced look at the subject. The audience certainly feels pity for Willy Loman when only his later life is considered. He worked with the company for so many years, did as much as he could, and he still lost everything. So why is this corrupt logic? Because lifetime achievement takes a lifetime of achievement. Willy Loman spent the first half of his life with the completely wrong values. He simply can not expect to turn his whole mindset around one day and have everything turn out the way he planned. As unmerciful as it sounds, there has to be a cut-off point somewhere. The dream is indeed possible to anyone, but not those who waste half their life and make stupid decisions. Rudy is even worse a case. He should be given credit for his attitude at least; his whole life was filled with enthusiasm and determination. Where he went wrong was when acted on that determination, which just happened to be never. He didn’t work as hard as he could have done in High School, just to cite one example. The only reason he got as far as he did is that he was given a leg-up at almost every step of the way. This is not implying that giving one another leg-ups should be forbidden in America, but rather that they should never be planned on. The situation worsens yet, when it is realized that Rudy, who has just peaked in life, now faces a future much like Willy Loman’s adult life.
From what is seen of Rudy’s life, it can easily be concluded that the final game of his senior year at Notre-Dame was the climactic point of his life. Certainly the audience is happy for Rudy when he finally achieves this once-in-a-lifetime opportunity, but they would not be if they had any idea of what was to come. If everything Rudy had ever done was to get here, how prepared was he now to move on? He did have the degree, but that was a side effect. If the previously outlined logic is to be followed, the degree should count as nothing more than a bonus. It wasn’t planned on. It never entered his way of thinking until he had his final talk with the groundskeeper. Good grades were just the means of getting to football. Willy Loman parallels this yet again. He would die without ever having accomplished what he said was his dream, to become a respected, well-known, and honorable salesman. That was his second dream. He grew up dreaming of popularity in high school, and while he achieved this, the lack of consideration he gave to his future only led to his downfall. Clearly the mistakes made by each author does nothing more than undermine their point.
The fact that somebody in this world of almost seven-billion can somehow conceive a situation in which an event could possibly occur, does not mean that it does. “Rudy” was based on a true story, and maybe The Death of a Salesman was too (although not specifically stated). But in that very same world of almost seven-billion creative minds, that means very little. More needs to be done in that world of philosophy if society is ever going to come to steady conclusion about whether or not the dream is alive.



Whew! Pretty good essay, and besides a few grammatical errors there were only a couple problems:

-Stick to one tense throughout the paper--you seemed to change from past to present tense a lot:



Rudy is even worse a case.


Did you mean was?

I think I highlighted one or two other spots, but there were definitely more.

-Quite a few of your sentences where short; you could probably combine some (I made some of those changes)



That was his second dream. He grew up dreaming of popularity in high school, and while he achieved this, the lack of consideration he gave to his future only led to his downfall.




There were a few other things that I thought could be changed or phrased better, but it is more a matter of opinion:



astro-nuclear-rocket-scientists


Maybe you should put that in quotes



Getting to be a football player for a college or professional team is very rare, and it must be known that it takes an interesting mix of determination and ‘dumb-luck’ to get where Rudy did the way he did.


You might want to change or drop the last part of that maybe something like "in the same way he did" would work



He didn’t work as hard as he could have done in High School, just to cite one example.


This sounded a bit odd...I dont have any suggestions for changes though ;)



Being such an integral part of the topic, it must therefore be included in any argument, for or against the dream, in order for it to be a fair and balanced look at the subject.


You might want to add a "whether" before the for and change it in some way, since its kind of confusing...



The goal of a country of course, should never be to destroy itself.


The "of course" seems kind of out of place, but if you want to keep it you probably need a comma before it as well



The problem arises with a situation such as the Cold War.


Whoa...whered that come from? That seems way too specific, but at least change it so it sounds more like you are saying "this is just one example..." rather than shifting suddenly into a totally (or seemingly) unrelated topic



Very few of the works that deal with the reality of the American Dream


Not sure, but should that be capitalized?



Each of the two works opposes the opinion of the other,


This sentence is a bit confusing...maybe say something like "the two works are in complete opposition..."

Thats most of it, just look through you paper to correct the two main mistakes I pointed out...

valar_king
09-13-2003, 10:14 PM
So JaWiB, I guess you just did hid homework. How does it feel to be someone's $$$$$? ;)

JaWiB
09-13-2003, 10:27 PM
So JaWiB, I guess you just did hid homework. How does it feel to be someone's $$$$$?


Go to Hell.

valar_king
09-13-2003, 10:29 PM
Originally posted by JaWiB
Go to Hell.

LOL!
What an effort.

sean
09-14-2003, 01:40 PM
Yay! I can log back in! First of all, thanks to confuted for posting that for me. I had forgotten my password and had to rearrange my junk mail settings to get the email.

Second, thanks a lot to JaWib. I really appreciate, buddy.

I agree with pretty much all of your suggestions, but a few feedback comments, in order, with one bullet for each inter-quote paragraph you had:

- The present tense refers to the movie, past to the character, but since I really didn't do a good job of distinguishing, I'll change that.

- My sentences were short. Thank you. My English teacher hates the way I use compound sentences all the time, and told me to use really simple ones. That's it... I'm reverting.

- Quotes it is. And no, that's not a word, or a realy job.

- Good tip. No comment. I just added this line to keep track of the comments.

- Again

- And again

- Maybe I should replace the "of course" with, "unless you're Iraq". No. That would be silly. That's 2nd person.

- No argument

- I think it's capitalized, since it's a specific idea, but thanks.

- No argument again.

I think that's everything. Thanks a lot, JaWib. Oh wait, then there's your reply to valar_king:

- I agree completely.

valar_king
09-14-2003, 01:50 PM
Aren't we mature? :rolleyes:

sean
09-14-2003, 02:33 PM
-quote removed -