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mfc2themax
11-02-2001, 07:57 PM
The US Government sucks. A bunch of dumb-arse loosers, headed by George Bush (who by the way cant even spell his own name), let off, the biggest monopoly in the world. We're a country lead by morons. :mad:

Garfield
11-02-2001, 08:03 PM
Is is that much of a problem? I mean, there is a reason why it is leading for software. You know? Microsoft is okay.

--Garfield the Great

oskilian
11-02-2001, 08:10 PM
I don't think that the fact that the US govt sucks means that microsoft sucks!

Oskilian

Garfield
11-02-2001, 08:14 PM
> I don't think that the fact that the US govt sucks means that microsoft sucks!

Yeah, I don't see any relationship either.

--Garfield the Great

mfc2themax
11-02-2001, 08:30 PM
umm.... the government let microsoft (a company that sucks), get away with an illegal monopoly (therefore the government sucks)

TFOV
11-02-2001, 08:38 PM
I don't see the problem everyone seems to have with Microsoft. One smart guy made alot of money...now everybody hates him and his company. Jealousy? I think so. I don't think Microsoft sucks, I don't think the US Government suck. If you think the US Government sucks, by all means, leave the United States and never come back. Or, allow us to call you a hypocrite. If you don't like Microsoft, tough nuggets, what you gonna do about it?

I just don't understand all the complaining. Also, I don't see how a supposed monopoly can affect one individual so much that he has to say he hates both the US Government, and Microsoft.

TFOV
11-02-2001, 08:41 PM
One more thing mfc2themax, if your not a fan of the US Government, why do you have an american flag as your avatar?

Fordy
11-02-2001, 08:57 PM
>>Is is that much of a problem? I mean, there is a reason why it is leading for software. You know? Microsoft is okay.

Yes... thatís why there are anti-competition laws...... They are there to stop corporations building insurmountable obstacles against normal competition. They also protect the consumer from monopolies.

>>One smart guy made alot of money...now everybody hates him and his company. Jealousy?

No not at all. The fact that he was successful is a good testament towards the opportunities the western world can offer. The problem arises after the success when he was left with a company that maintained its position in the market by unfairly hindering its competition. Also, M$ is not content with that position and now seeks to get involved with the everyday life of people. If you donít know what I mean, look for Passport on google. Soon you wont be able to do anything on the net without Redmond knowing what you are doing.

Cheeze-It
11-02-2001, 09:07 PM
Originally posted by TFOV
If you think the US Government sucks, by all
means, leave the United States and never come
back. Or, allow us to call you a hypocrite.


Someone is not a hypocrite if they critisize the
US government and continue to live here. They're
a patriot. They love their country so much, they
don't want to see it crumble under the leadership
of moronic politicians who seemingly always try
to pass unconstitutional acts.

gamegod3001
11-02-2001, 09:14 PM
>If you donít know what I mean, look for Passport on google. Soon you wont be able to do anything on the net without Redmond knowing what you are doing.<

The registeration for passport, is no diffent then any other registeration. It just registers you for all the sites that use it.

unanimous
11-02-2001, 10:01 PM
2 things, FIRST , I think Oskilian would make a great name for a linux os "Oskilian LINUX".

SECONDLY, I don't like Microsoft, but I am glad it is all over because now I can really hurt bill when I take over his Monoply and watch him cry.

dirkduck
11-02-2001, 10:02 PM
i agree, GWB is a complete idot, and MS sucks...my question is...if you dont like MS..then why is your name 'mfc2themax?

dirkduck
11-02-2001, 10:09 PM
oh yeah, and i ahve nothing against bill in general, just the company..

Scourfish
11-02-2001, 11:01 PM
Originally posted by mfc2themax
The US Government sucks. A bunch of dumb-arse loosers, headed by George Bush (who by the way cant even spell his own name), let off, the biggest monopoly in the world. We're a country lead by morons. :mad:

Sounds like somebody got caught with a h4x0red corperate install of XP.

no-one
11-03-2001, 12:55 AM
I AM SO DAMNED SICK OF THIS STUPID QUESTION!!!

why does everyone hate MS?

is it because their jealous of bill? NO!!!!
is it because their linux zealots? NO!!!!
is it because their products suck? Partly!!
is it because they ARE EVIL STAMP OUT COMPETITION DESTROY ANY NAYSAYER BLAME ALL BUGS AND SECURITY LEAKS AND ANY OTHER OS ERRORS ON THE PEOPLE WHO FIND AND WARN OTHERS ABOUT THEM, AND THEY ARE TRYING TO TAKE OVER THE WHOLE DAMNED WORLD AND IM NOT FRIGGEN JOKING ABOUT THIS THEY ARE!!!??? YES!!!!!


end rant...

doubleanti
11-03-2001, 01:22 AM
i miss the days when i was not concerned with all these politics... when the word microsoft could mean just a lowered level of softness... and when i/we could all care less what we use and that we lived life not through our screens...

mfc2themax
11-03-2001, 05:47 AM
>Sounds like somebody got caught with a h4x0red corperate install of XP.<

Okay....... that really doesn't make any sense.....

>Someone is not a hypocrite if they critisize the
US government and continue to live here. They're
a patriot. They love their country so much, they
don't want to see it crumble under the leadership
of moronic politicians who seemingly always try
to pass unconstitutional acts.<

Exactly.

>If you don't like Microsoft, tough nuggets, what you gonna do about it? <

Thats a pretty lame response...

>I just don't understand all the complaining. Also, I don't see how a supposed monopoly can affect one individual so much that he has to say he hates both the US Government, and Microsoft.<

Thats because you've never worked for a company that competes with Microsoft, and experinced what its like. Its not my fault that your to naive to understand.

>One more thing mfc2themax, if your not a fan of the US Government, why do you have an american flag as your avatar?<

I should have been more clear, our current adminstration is the one thats terrible.

>i agree, GWB is a complete idot, and MS sucks...my question is...if you dont like MS..then why is your name 'mfc2themax?<

I registerd it a few months ago, didn't feel like getting a new one.

>Jealousy? I think so.<

Why would i be Jealous of Microsoft?? I turned down a position to work there (i talked more about it in a previous thread).

>The registeration for passport, is no diffent then any other registeration. It just registers you for all the sites that use it.<

Oh man, this whole world is gone from it.... nobody seems to know whats actually going on up in Remond.

>I mean, there is a reason why it is leading for software. You know?<

Yes i know, they use illegal tactics. I have a lot of good contacts with Senior level execs up there and have great insight into how the company works.

mfc2themax
11-03-2001, 07:18 AM
>I wouldn't even hire you to be a janitor. You are a ****ing bum.<

*****_King, you have the brain power of a house fly, trying to insult other people, just because your dumb doesn't do any of us any good.....

jasrajva
11-03-2001, 08:29 AM
all those who think MS is innocent and targetted bcoz its so succesful

read these Confidential Microsoft Papers(known on the net as the Halloween Documents) and you may change your mind


http://www.opensource.org/halloween/

jasrajva
11-03-2001, 08:34 AM
still more anti MS stuff
by eric raymond
with whom i quite agree

http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr/not-the-osi/halloween-rant.html

unanimous
11-03-2001, 11:10 AM
What I think is that more people nedd to start taking risks and abandon Microsoft and move twords Linux which is now pretty safe. The only reason Microsoft had a monopoly is because we have brainless Idiots that are too afraid to just take a leap from Microsoft and find something better.

Garfield
11-03-2001, 12:59 PM
> What I think is that more people nedd to start taking risks and abandon Microsoft and move twords Linux which is now pretty safe.

I don't know, that might explode in users faces.

--Garfield the Great

unanimous
11-03-2001, 03:58 PM
And that's the attitude that made microsoft rule the world.

Computers are not about comfort or predictability. Thant would be boring.

No, computers are about the excitment when you boot up wether it will work or not after you installed a new motherboard or recompiled your kernal. That is what a computer is about.

Aran
11-03-2001, 04:13 PM
is your name unanimous purposefully? did you mean anonymous?

unanimous
11-03-2001, 04:45 PM
I just like that word and I am in the c programming hall of fame!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WAHOOOO!!!!

*Michelle*
11-03-2001, 10:02 PM
But lots of software are still written for windows...

oskilian
11-03-2001, 10:08 PM
Originally posted by unanimous
2 things, FIRST , I think Oskilian would make a great name for a linux os "Oskilian LINUX".


AARRGHHHH!

don't say that word!
I just happen to hate linux!




Originally posted by *Michelle*
But lots of software are still written for windows...


That's right, and all drivers are written for windows, that's why linux nor any other OS has been as good as windows

Oskilian

no-one
11-03-2001, 10:28 PM
DONT YOU SEE THE PARADOX?!?!?!?!?

>
But lots of software are still written for windows...
<

software is being written for everything!!

>
That's right, and all drivers are written for windows, that's why linux nor any other OS has been as good as windows
<

and 90% of drivers are written for *nix also
furthermore, Windows does not yet support firewire which means its way behind.

Paradox:

nobody writes software for anything but windows because everybody has windows, nobody will get other OSes because nobody writes software for other OSes, SO EVERYBODYS AFRAID TO MOVE AN MS WINS!!!! WAKE UP!

oskilian
11-03-2001, 10:32 PM
>and 90% of drivers are written for *nix also
furthermore, Windows does not yet support firewire which means its way behind.

*nix as of unix or linux?

and what is firewire?

Oskilian

gamegod3001
11-03-2001, 11:00 PM
>furthermore, Windows does not yet support firewire which means its way behind.

Windows XP supports it, and does not support USB 2.0, despite the fact that Microsoft is on the USB board.

>nobody writes software for anything but windows because everybody has windows, nobody will get other OSes because nobody writes software for other OSes, SO EVERYBODYS AFRAID TO MOVE AN MS WINS!!!! WAKE UP!<

I love this type of argument, everyone uses a microsoft product so microsoft sucks. Go figure.

mfc2themax
11-03-2001, 11:52 PM
Uhhh..... there's tons of software for Linux. Great software..... so the argument that there's not enough applications to make Linux viable, its pretty stupid.

Yoshi
11-04-2001, 12:31 AM
Get Wine! Get Wine!! Get WINE!!!!!! :D :D :D
at www.winehq.com

*Michelle*
11-04-2001, 12:37 AM
Originally posted by mfc2themax
Uhhh..... there's tons of software for Linux. Great software..... so the argument that there's not enough applications to make Linux viable, its pretty stupid.

I'll bet the most popular (as in most sales) are the ones written for windows. I mean, would any idiot write a program for linux and not for windows? I mean, there are a lot more people using Windows, and it is just normal to write software for it. I haven't seen one software that can't be used for Windows...There certainly is a larger variety...

unanimous
11-04-2001, 08:16 AM
LOKI GAMES

http://www.lokigames.com

Unregistered
11-04-2001, 11:40 AM
>>I will never use Linux! Its is not good enough for my purposes. It crashes too much.<<

You need to get some friends. Ya know the real kind that you can sit in the same room with and don't need a keyboard to communicate. Are you so desperite for any type of human interaction that you have to post such an obviously inflamatory and untrue statement? "Please someone talk to me..." I'm not saying that LInux never crashes, but it really puts the hurt on any windows product that you can throw at it. Ask anyone that actually works with critical server systmes (not you). ARe they going to implement an NT based kernel? No, simply because it makes them work too hard...

i'm suprised that on a C programming board that there are so many people making such ignornant comments as:

would any idiot write a program for linux and not for windows This is another example of someone who has know clue what's happening in the real world. Yes, a lot of software is written for Windows, but it just makes sense to write for windows first if you're concerned about turning a profit. Windows development is driven by business (for the record there's nothing wrong with that). There's a whole community of people that are dedicated to making quality software without concerns for money. Most of the Open Source GPL movement will write for a linux or unix platform first because the development TOOLS are FREE for those plaforms. Yes, the WOULD be idiots (or maybe just extremely generous) if they dropped several hundred dollars on Visual C++ and Microsoft Platform and then distributed the software freely. basically you have no clue beyond your out of the Gateway box experience...There's a ton of software written for linux before windows, an i take offense to you calling us idiots.

you people need to get some balz and step up the plate...Windows is fine for the old ladies who email (or spend way too much time on message boards) or the brain damaged (like Troll_King), but if you're interested in software development don't be afraid to try Linux. It's only going to get better...

Series X4 1.0
11-04-2001, 01:15 PM
oskilian

I just happen to hate linux!


You just happen to hate Linux? It's not normal to just hate things without a reason. No really, I understand exactly what you mean, it's pretty easy actually: If you just know how to use Linux you won't hate it. If you're open-minded you won't hate it either.


That's right, and all drivers are written for windows, that's why linux nor any other OS has been as good as windows


As we all should know by now - you can help Linux by using it instead of Windows. Next thing is, drivers are not much of a problem anymore unless you have some very special hardware. And there are many ways and options in the *nix world, you can do 'whatever' you want. So don't try to come up with limitations you don't have a clue about!


Troll_King

In this case, everyone is now using Windows


Everyone... you like to exaggerate... please use numbers instead, I'm very interested myself. All I know is that Apache has 63% of the webserver market. Though I have no idea how many machines are running Appach on *nix, and how many are running it using Windows.

mix0matt
11-04-2001, 01:57 PM
>>I'm sure there are a few relics out there but it's just a matter of time before you guys get blown away. WinXP data centre 64-bit has your number.<<

yeah sure...i can see it now. companies are cutting back on costs not increasing them. i would guess if anything they're going to go for the lower cost solution. Equal performance, less cost....
and think about this if Linux is dead or blown away as you so intelligently put it, why are companies like HP, Compaq, and IBM jumping on the Linux train. That's right they see opportunity, not a dead end...

Tell you what, you just keep buying C++ books and telling everyone that you've mastered C in two months, and keep your mouth shut when it comes to issues that impact the real world. You should maybe leave these discussions to those that are in phase with reality....

Xterria
11-04-2001, 02:20 PM
Hasn't anyone yet realized that almost all of the other OSes use Microsoft Internet Explorer? When the OSes that say microsoft should go down use Microsoft's Software!!
plus, internet explorer is the best;)

Series X4 1.0
11-04-2001, 02:33 PM
Xterria

Hasn't anyone yet realized that almost all of the other OSes use Microsoft Internet Explorer?


Where do they get those ideas?

Personally I tend to use Opera for Linux and IE for Windows. It doesn't really matter though. I'm also using Conqueror (for Linux), Netscape (for Win and Linux), Mozilla (for Linux) - and they're all doing fine for browsing the web.

I'm going to learn Lynx! :p Has anybody used it?

*Michelle*
11-04-2001, 03:53 PM
Netscape sucks, it's so slow...

And if you really do a survey, I bet there are more people using windows than linux. And if linux is so GREAT, why don't people switch? There must be a catch...Most people know that more software is written for windows...Even World Book CD-ROMs are written for Windows and Mac only..NO LINUX...ANd I've got the box right here, and I can't find the word LINUX anywhere...

mix0matt
11-04-2001, 04:09 PM
>>And if you really do a survey, I bet there are more people using windows than linux. <<

i don't think anyone's trying to dispute this. It doesn't show anyting about the merits of one over the other.

>>And if linux is so GREAT, why don't people switch? <<

i really don't know. Fear, ignorance, no desire, and lack of information could be reasons. Everyone got a story the heard from their roomates best friend on why linux won't get the job done, and it tends to scare people. People need to stop listening to people like Troll_King and find out for themselves. I would just think that people who are interested in computer science would pick a platform in which they can view the source code and choose the path where they would learn more. you know, the adventure. my mistake.....

>>Even World Book CD-ROMs are written for Windows and Mac only..NO LINUX...ANd I've got the box right here, and I can't find the word LINUX anywhere...<<

yeah you're out of luck there...are you kidding? This and the Internet explorer comment have no merit. Browser selection has nothing to do with the merits of the operating system. World book CD-ROMs? wow...

my apologies if you're eight years old....

mfc2themax
11-04-2001, 05:17 PM
>I would perfer to have full control over my operating system so I choose Windows.<

That comment is pretty ironic....

unanimous
11-04-2001, 05:18 PM
I USE OPERA BOTH FOR LINUX AND WINDOWS.

As it was said people don't use linux because they are afraid that something will go wrong and they won't know how to fix it. Now tell me if I am wrong but isn't a big part of life learning? and that is exactly what you do when using Linux, you learn more about your computer what it is capable of and more about you skills as a computer aficianado. And you say you want more control of your OS but since you are a programmer you can have a lot of control over linux THEY DO GIVE YOU THE SOURCE CODE. It is called editing it.

In Linux you can easily make it do exactly what you want unlike windows. Now I have nothing against Bill and think he is doing a great job with the whole Microsoft thing but you can at least explore new worlds. What would it be like if no one ever tried to colonize America because it wasn't what they find comfortable. We'd all be traped in England and other countries being ruled by either a king or a communist instead of the President and we'd not have as many (if any) rights that we have. So in closing LINUX RULES.

-KEN-
11-04-2001, 05:36 PM
>I would perfer to have full control over my operating system so I choose Windows.<

ouch, my brain hurts...stupidity level of the board ++...

mix0matt
11-04-2001, 06:12 PM
>>I've used Linux and it's a piece of junk. I would perfer to have full control over my operating system so I choose Windows<<

first, this comment pretty much proves my point. Your comments hold no credibility, and the Windows user's "war" on Linux is fueled by ignorance.

second, why don't you share you're experience with us? if it was so horrilbe, you surely can enlighten us. i betting that linux could handle anything YOU could throw at it. I have never called windows a piece of junk. in fact i'm impressed with XP. My point is that Linux is and will be a viable option for business, research, and individual use. Cost and flexibility is always a factor, and Linux is getting better every day...

Breach23
11-04-2001, 06:24 PM
linux is just not user friendly enough for a normal person. Things like typing in "make" instead of clicking a button to install stuff make people angry. This is what M$ has done! A normal person can't operate more than one GUI, such as KDE AND GNOME at the same time, because on windows, it's all one...SHARING...I smell communism...

EDIT: BTW, troll king, u are the biggest idiot ive every seen...You would like full control over ur operating system, and u choose windoze? First of all, linux has more control, considering you can edit the KERNEL, second of all, this is my last post! Bye all! FOREVER!

gamegod3001
11-04-2001, 06:51 PM
>second, why don't you share you're experience with us? if it was so horrilbe, you surely can enlighten us. i betting that linux could handle anything YOU could throw at it.<

He has taken a class in linux, durring witch He thought linux was the best.

On browsers

I use IE 6. I tried opera, and it crashes as soon as I open it. I even reinstaled it.

>First of all, linux has more control, considering you can edit the KERNEL, second of all, this is my last post! Bye all! FOREVER!<

But that requies you to be a programmer, everyone is not a programmer don't foget.

>HP, Compaq, and IBM jumping on the Linux train
Compaqs suck everone know that. I belive Gateway also got on the train but jumbed off.

>you people need to get some balz and step up the plate...Windows is fine for the old ladies who email (or spend way too much time on message boards) or the brain damaged (like Troll_King), but if you're interested in software development don't be afraid to try Linux. It's only going to get better...<
I take offence to that, my grandma is cool she lisens to backstreet boys.

unanimous
11-04-2001, 07:13 PM
Backstreet Boys Suck!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

mfc2themax
11-04-2001, 08:01 PM
>Compaqs suck everone know that.<

Compaq delivers some of the best linux based servers in the world. Compaq has never deliverd Desktop systems with Linux.

>But that requies you to be a programmer, everyone is not a programmer don't foget. <

Well first off you don't need to be a programmer to customize linux, while it definatly won't give you the same flexability as rewriting code, its pretty customizable, out of the box.

Second this IS a programming board in case you forgot....

>I take offence to that, my grandma is cool she lisens to backstreet boys.<

Don't say things like that, it makes you look stupid.

mix0matt
11-04-2001, 08:08 PM
>>Compaqs suck everone know that.<<
i was refering to their proliant and alpha server lines. They're availible with linux as an operating system. I agree, i don't think i would buy a compaq pc.

>>But that requies you to be a programmer, everyone is not a programmer don't foget. <<

i thought everyone here was a programmer. This is what i don't understand about the Troll. As a C/C++ programmer why he would dismiss something that let him examine the source code? The only explination is that he's survived some sort of massive head trauma.