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Silvercord
09-08-2003, 07:33 PM
My favorite books are:
-Catch 22
-Siddhartha by Herman Hesse
-The Perks of Being a Wallflower

what are yours.

Zach L.
09-08-2003, 07:36 PM
Fiction: Catch-22
Non-fiction: No Picnic on Mount Kenya

confuted
09-08-2003, 08:24 PM
Atlas Shrugged
Crime and Punishment
1984
Anthem
Brave New World

and for something lighter, Candide

alpha
09-08-2003, 08:55 PM
Originally posted by Silvercord
My favorite books are:
-Catch 22
-Siddhartha by Herman Hesse
what are yours. two very good books right there.

MrWizard
09-08-2003, 10:53 PM
-To Kill a Mockingbird
-Catcher in the Rye
-The Great Gatsby
-The Red Badge of Courage

Just a few of my favorites.

Fountain
09-09-2003, 02:55 AM
I myself like all of james herberts books.

Bit spooky but good.

Govtcheez
09-09-2003, 06:11 AM
The Dark Tower Series - Stephen King
Lord of the Flies - Golding
Brave New World - Huxley

Clyde
09-09-2003, 07:02 AM
Hmm probably my favourite novels are "The Power of One" by Bryce Courtenay, and its sequel "Tandia". I'm also a big fan of Asimov's "Foundation" series.

MethodMan
09-09-2003, 07:26 AM
Mr.Wizard, I had to read The Red Badge of Courage for a Civil War Course I recently took.

Lord of the Rings - all 3
I cant recall the title or author, I read it a few years ago, but it was from the Ravenlof(sp?) series
The Things They Carried

nvoigt
09-09-2003, 08:11 AM
Starship Troopers - Robert Heinlein

( ... and no, the book is not even close to the "Beverly Hills 90210 meets lasergun" movie )

Shogun
09-09-2003, 08:50 AM
Catch 22
The hitch hickers guide to the galaxy (all 5 books)
The fundation books (the 3 original ones)

deathstryke
09-09-2003, 09:23 AM
The entire Dune series and LOTR are my favorite books.

Thantos
09-09-2003, 09:40 AM
LOTR (actually its only one book),
the Incarnations of Immortality series by Piers Anthony

Brian
09-09-2003, 09:47 AM
1984, Orwell and Fight Club, Chuck Palahniuk.

Satire rules.

anonytmouse
09-09-2003, 11:21 AM
The magic faraway tree. (Enid Blyton)
The cat sat on the mat. (Little yellow book)

o0obruceleeo0o
09-09-2003, 01:26 PM
The Hobbit/LOTR by J.R.R. Tolkien
The Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy series by Douglas Adams
The Count of Monte Cristo by Alexander Dumas
Watership Down by Richard Adams
The Wheel of Time series by Robert Jordan
1984/Animal Farm by George Orwell

MrWizard
09-09-2003, 10:05 PM
Originally posted by MethodMan
Mr.Wizard, I had to read The Red Badge of Courage for a Civil War Course I recently took.

Lord of the Rings - all 3
I cant recall the title or author, I read it a few years ago, but it was from the Ravenlof(sp?) series
The Things They Carried

Well?? Did you like it :D

Silvercord
09-10-2003, 06:46 AM
govtcheez we're reading lord of the flies right now in english. My teacher says the characters are supposed to represent the countries (Jack is russia or something) and that there are 8 philosophical layers of that book. I've also heard my english teacher is a liberal idiot. What's your take on all of this.

EDIT: I really awnt to read the hitch hikers guide to the galaxy as well as the dark tower series, I've heard they are all good. The last book I listed in the first post of this thread, "The Perks of Being a Wallflower" is a veyr recent book, but I think all of you guys would love it.

Govtcheez
09-10-2003, 07:09 AM
Hey, sure, whatever your teacher said. I thought it was a neat story. I tend to read books for enjoyment; most of the time I don't freaking care what "the deeper meaning" is supposed to be, especially since most people interpret it differently.

edit: It might also help that I read that book on my own, not for a class. After I finished it, I gave it to my brother to read, and he loved it. A while later, he had to read it for class and now he hates it. It's been ruined by overanalyzing.

A similar thing happened to my now ex girlfriend in high school. They had to watch Star Wars for AP English. The teacher was a fscking loon. She read into EVERYTHING, and usually incorrectly. According to her, Darth Vader is German for "Dark Father". She got ........ed when she was informed she was wrong (I believe it's actually Dutch). You know Dagobah? In her little world, it's spelled "Degoba", so you can rearrange the letters to "Be a God". The was a ton of other crap. Basically, she ruined a classic movie for about 30 people. I hate English teachers.

Next term at school I'm taking "Literature of the Fantastic". If the professor tries to ruin Starship Troopers for me, I'll kill him.

Silvercord
09-10-2003, 08:45 AM
Reading into things is good as long as there is somethign to read into.

GSLR
09-10-2003, 09:00 AM
Dark Tower Series - Bestist Book eva

Hummmphg still waiting for the last 2 books though ;;;;
Just hope S. King doesnt keel over before he finishes them,
that would drive me nuts ;-)

Govtcheez - you read the right stuff man

Govtcheez
09-10-2003, 09:06 AM
> Just hope S. King doesnt keel over before he finishes them,


They're already finished :)

FillYourBrain
09-10-2003, 09:07 AM
Just hope S. King doesnt keel over before he finishes themI'm sure he'd keep writing after death or something. He'd be the type to haunt Maine as well as publishing companies long after his death.

Silvercord
09-10-2003, 01:59 PM
i live in maine

gcn_zelda
09-10-2003, 06:12 PM
Lord of the Rings Series - Plot and Character
Holes - Complex Storyline and Theme
My Book(Unnamed at the moment) - Plot and Character

novacain
09-10-2003, 09:28 PM
>>They had to watch Star Wars for AP English.

All we got was some English ballet production of 'the Tempest'.

>>I hate English teachers.

We used to do transendental meditaion in class.
I suppose it was to help us not fall asleep when reading Browning, Hardy or Lawrence.
Oh, how I hate D.H.Lawrence and his Oedipal complex, let me count the ways....

I sometimes hoped that the things in a Wilfred Owen poem would happen to him......


The Anubis Gates by P Tilley

'Little Miss Splendid Goes To Town' is the one I am reading over and over and over again (on request).

Shogun
09-11-2003, 11:11 PM
I would like to add

Shogun. A novel of Japan by James Clavell to my list :)

Silvercord
09-12-2003, 08:41 AM
hey govt, you are going to love this

according to my english teacher jack was raped as a child because he is aggressive, and the proof of this is evidently the fact that he didn't kill the pig the first time he saw it. Yes, that's his interpretation...he has aggression because he didn't kill a pig and he was raped...my english teacher is a freaking nut.

Leeman_s
09-12-2003, 04:04 PM
CATCHER IN THE RYE

TO KILL A MOCKING BIRD

C of Green
09-12-2003, 09:10 PM
1) The Riftwar Saga
by Ramond E. Feist

2) The Wheel of Time
by Robert Jordan

3) The Belgariad
by David Eddings

4) My book ...

i wrote a book on Toilet paper ... however ... turned out to be $$$$ !

Monster
09-13-2003, 05:18 PM
- The Dark Tower Series - Stephen King

- The Foundation Series - Isaac Asimov

Yoshi
09-14-2003, 02:34 AM
the Wheel of times series

non-fiction: the art of war by Sun Tzu

FloatingPoint
09-16-2003, 01:39 AM
1) Jurassic Park and any other books by Crichton
2) Salem's Lot, Pet Sematary etc by S. King.

H&R
09-16-2003, 04:48 AM
Hi all,

this threads been running for a few days but I thought I'd really like to share my favorite books:

All the books that make up the series from 'The saga of the exiles' to 'The Gallactic Milieu' by Julian May, Mark Remiliard is the best charecter any author has created.

Any book by Douglas Adams R.I.P.

and my current lunchtime read, the books 1-4 of 'Otherland' by Tad Williams, in total about 4000 pages but feels much less cos the plot an charecterisation in so good.

Also on the subject of school study material for RE and English we watched:
'Threads' a horrible drama about nuclear war aftermath.
'Boys from the Blackstuff' Drama about Liverpool during the mid-eighties.

aerian
09-16-2003, 06:39 AM
And while speaking about books, don't you know about some free ones? To download at least... because I doubt that someone will send me book, even to my home, for free :)

I like George Orwell, JRR Tolkien, and Klara Jarunkova.. but I want to know who knows her ;)

Govtcheez
09-16-2003, 07:25 AM
Originally posted by aerian
And while speaking about books, don't you know about some free ones? To download at least... because I doubt that someone will send me book, even to my home, for free :)
Check out Project Gutenberg

axon
09-16-2003, 12:05 PM
I'm very surprised that we are talking about books here...pleasently surprised thought! Not many people read anymore...around my campus at least! I'm probably the only engineering student that is into literature!

anyhow, here is my list:

Crime and Punishment - Dostoevsky
The Brothers Karamazov - Dostoevsky
Notes From the Underground - Dostoevsky
Love in the Time of Cholera - Marquez
As I Lay Dying - Faulkner
The Prophet - Gibran
and as many of you Catch 22

thats from novels, my favorite philosophical texts are:

Fear and Trembling - Kierkegaard
Beyond Good and Evil - Nietzsche

Everyone should read at least one of the books from this list. I trully recommend any texts from Dostoevsky. Some really, REALLY, good stuff in his writting. Actually, almost all Russian literature since the mid 19th to early 20th cetury is worth reading, from Gogol and Tolstoy, to Turganev and Pushkin...

enjoy READING!!!,

axon

axon
09-16-2003, 12:18 PM
Originally posted by Govtcheez
A while later, he had to read it for class and now he hates it. It's been ruined by overanalyzing.


I agree with this, to a point. I've had my share of teachers/professors who maybe not overanalyze texts, whether it be poems, short stories, or books, but put their own spin on the analyzation. Each student finds the meaning of the text that suites their personality/state of mind/ mood, whatever. When a teacher, esspecially in high school destroys that personal interpretation with their own thoughts, in part is destroying the value of the book for the kid who read it.

This only applies to people who actually enjoy reading and care. But a few years back, when I was in high school, not many cared...but that is another problem.

Reading really opens up in college/university...if one loves to read and discuss, the playing field is huge. People are more mature, and professors can't destroy one's thoughts on anything. Many times it is the students who could persuade the professor to think differently....

axon

confuted
09-16-2003, 01:56 PM
>>Crime and Punishment - Dostoevsky<<
'tis quite good. Raskolnikov has some interesting thoughts, many of which I've expressed before in a somewhat serious manner, especially in Debate. "We should abolish the welfare system because the majority of the people on the system are a drain to society and therefore do not deserve to live." For those of you who get mad when you read what I just wrote, if you haven't participated in any formal cross-x debates, don't bother to comment.

>>Beyond Good and Evil - Nietzsche<<
I disagree here. I hated that. Degradation of women and religion is not good. For philosophy in a form of a novel, Atlas Shrugged is superb. Plato's Republic is pretty nice, although a bit difficult occasionally. Aristotle's work isn't as good as Plato's, IMO. I found it too tedious and a bit boring - Nichomachean Ethics was a book to put you to sleep.

Govtcheez
09-16-2003, 02:20 PM
> Degradation of ... religion is not good.

That's a matter of opinion.

axon
09-16-2003, 02:52 PM
Originally posted by confuted
"We should abolish the welfare system because the majority of the people on the system are a drain to society and therefore do not deserve to live."

This just gave me a thought:

Roskolnikov == Travis Bickle (Taxi driver)

hmmmm....

axon
09-16-2003, 04:15 PM
Originally posted by confuted
Atlas Shrugged
Crime and Punishment
1984
Anthem
Brave New World


Brave New World, I do agree with but why 1984. The idea...er theme is interesting, but the book is like a short story, not quite a novel. The characters and plot develops way too quickly and too simply....actually to think about it, 1984 was a short story at first,(called Fireman?). So, 1984 as a short story OK, as a novel - not really.

axon

ZakkWylde969
09-16-2003, 04:16 PM
The entire Terry Goodkind series Sword of Truth

confuted
09-16-2003, 05:00 PM
Originally posted by axon
Brave New World, I do agree with but why 1984. The idea...er theme is interesting, but the book is like a short story, not quite a novel. The characters and plot develops way too quickly and too simply....actually to think about it, 1984 was a short story at first,(called Fireman?). So, 1984 as a short story OK, as a novel - not really.

axon

I like it for the story and ideas, not because it's a big long book :rolleyes: Anthem is quite short - ~150 pages of large print, IIRC. Still darn good though.

kermit
09-16-2003, 05:50 PM
Originally posted by confuted
For those of you who get mad when you read what I just wrote, if you haven't participated in any formal cross-x debates, don't bother to comment.


So if I did not get mad, but have not participated in any formal cross-x debates, am I allowed to comment? And how would it make a difference if one had participated in a cross-x debate? Just curious.

Zach L.
09-16-2003, 07:31 PM
Hmm... If you want philosophy, I'd say Plato's Republic, though good and a classic, is a bit difficult. Not in the message or the style, but some of Socrates's generalizations make me think he had a bit too much wine at that party.

If you don't mind Wittgenstein's terse format, or you are a math person, Tractatus Logico-Philosophicus is an excellent book.

Ayn Rand is very good as well. The Virtue of Selfishness is probably one of the more accessible books/collections of essays. Very interesting, especially if you are interested in the objectivist viewpoint.

confuted
09-16-2003, 07:45 PM
Originally posted by kermit
So if I did not get mad, but have not participated in any formal cross-x debates, am I allowed to comment? And how would it make a difference if one had participated in a cross-x debate? Just curious.

If you'd done cross-x debating, you'd understand that you say what you need to say to win (providing you can back it up with facts, even if it contradicts standard opinions). It doesn't mean that you actually believe that - it just means you can make the argument and make it logical and based on facts. Seperate yourself from ethical concerns when necessary in debate. I can, and have, defended genocide in debate. That was pushing it a bit, but you just have to understand that the person reflected in a debate is not (necessarily) the real person.

axon
09-16-2003, 08:16 PM
Originally posted by confuted
If you'd done cross-x debating, you'd understand that you say what you need to say to win (providing you can back it up with facts, even if it contradicts standard opinions). It doesn't mean that you actually believe that - it just means you can make the argument and make it logical and based on facts. Seperate yourself from ethical concerns when necessary in debate. I can, and have, defended genocide in debate. That was pushing it a bit, but you just have to understand that the person reflected in a debate is not (necessarily) the real person.

Hey, lawyers do it all the time....

kermit
09-17-2003, 05:03 PM
Originally posted by confuted
If you'd done cross-x debating, you'd understand that you say what you need to say to win (providing you can back it up with facts, even if it contradicts standard opinions). It doesn't mean that you actually believe that - it just means you can make the argument and make it logical and based on facts. Seperate yourself from ethical concerns when necessary in debate. I can, and have, defended genocide in debate. That was pushing it a bit, but you just have to understand that the person reflected in a debate is not (necessarily) the real person.

I suppose that is a sufficient answer. Never could see why anybody would want to do a debate of such kind where they might have to defend the side that they don't even agree with. I am not a huge formal debate fan, but when i do listen to the odd one, I like the kind where the opponents are thoroughly versed in their own particular specialty and are passionate about what they are talking about.

nvoigt
09-18-2003, 02:41 AM
Never could see why anybody would want to do a debate of such kind where they might have to defend the side that they don't even agree with.


Well, you will never be particularly good at getting a point across if you only see your own side of the argument. Looking at the other side of the fence might give you an advantage in your own argumentation.