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Camilo
11-02-2001, 01:22 PM
Only want to know, which is the best platform?

Fordy
11-02-2001, 01:55 PM
I love it that noone thinks to add Win ME.

No...I'm not being pedantic, its just that if I try to trace the lineage of windows in my mind I always jump from Win 98 to 2000 forgetting ME........

SilentStrike
11-02-2001, 02:04 PM
they are really different lineages though. 98 came from 85, 2000 came from NT 4.

Fordy
11-02-2001, 02:17 PM
Maybe its just because I personally went from 98 to 2000 bypassing ME. I hated ME, and still do..... Its possibly the lamest of the Windows range. I found 98SE much better....... Just my 2c

Justin W
11-02-2001, 02:34 PM
Also, ME technically came out a little bit after 2000.

Ah, Amiga's Workbench 3.x... dem were the days.... ;)

Aran
11-02-2001, 02:41 PM
Win2000 rules... so much better than my win98 system...

Fordy
11-02-2001, 02:51 PM
>>Ah, Amiga's Workbench 3.x... dem were the days....

Yeah and before that, any OS that came on a tape cassette

jock
11-02-2001, 04:27 PM
Just look at KDE for Linux... obviously based on Workbench. Except workbench looked better! All linux guis are horrid things. They have a long way to go before the reach anything thats user friendly.

I suppose the BEST of would be a mixture of things...

win9x front end. Simply the easiest and best looking gui around.
*nix beneath the gui for sheer power....

At the end of the day, my fav os has to be OS/2 Warp. i went from a 386/ win3.1 system to a P1 90mhz with OS/2. my god!!!! what a difference! Now theres was an operating system!

Camilo
11-02-2001, 05:22 PM
Oops, I have commited so much errors, first, Win 3.1 is not a OS, just a shell, I forgot to mention WinME, sorry for those who missed it, if only a moderator could try to change that...

Camilo

SilentStrike
11-02-2001, 06:24 PM
What is so unuser friendly about KDE?

Hillbillie
11-02-2001, 06:36 PM
You all know which one I voted for.... :cool:

Garfield
11-02-2001, 07:57 PM
> You all know which one I voted for....

Oh, yeah. The one that has only one vote. Just kidding. I'm sure it's a great OS. What are the benefits?

--Garfield the Great

oskilian
11-02-2001, 07:58 PM
>> You all know which one I voted for....

No: Windows? :)

Oskilian

oskilian
11-02-2001, 08:09 PM
Other unix? why didn't you put classic unix too?

and, I was looking for unix, and I found a board very dimmilar to this, go to

http://www.unix.com

Oskilian

Garfield
11-02-2001, 08:16 PM
> and, I was looking for unix, and I found a board very dimmilar to this, go to

http://www.unix.com
<

Oh my gosh. What is this? Are these the same makers? That's weird.

--Garfield the Great

oskilian
11-02-2001, 08:25 PM
I don't think so, I didn't see anyone who is actually from here, the creator is called Neo

and it's blue, hmmm

Oskilian

Hillbillie
11-02-2001, 08:38 PM
>Oh, yeah. The one that has only one vote. Just kidding. I'm sure it's a great OS. What are the benefits?<

Uh okay here:

- 64-bit journaled filesystem (yeah i know linux has one too now, but we had it first :p) that supports partition sizes up to 17 (i think) terabytes.
- <10 second boot.
- near-orgasmic multitasking capabilities.
- awesome multimedia support.
- symetric multiple processor support.
- completely stable.
- it's free (well pe is).
- it's the only OS that i've found can play 8+ full length mpegs simeltaneously without hiccups on my crappy 266MHz PentiumII. (eat your heart out, Windows!) lol...

Of course, this isn't to say it doesn't have its cons as well...

gamegod3001
11-02-2001, 09:32 PM
Such, as not being able to run on my computer :)

Garfield
11-02-2001, 09:34 PM
> - <10 second boot.

Not bad.

Hillbillie
11-03-2001, 07:08 AM
>Such, as not being able to run on my computer<

The requirements is a Pentium processor with 64 MB of memory I think. I dunno, though. Other people have this problem and I guess this is one of the cons.... The most obvious is lack of drivers.

Aran
11-03-2001, 09:32 AM
to tell you the truth, i have never heard of BeOS before coming to this board... hmmm

Hillbillie
11-03-2001, 11:42 AM
That doesn't surprise me because lack of advertising was Be, Inc.'s biggest mistake. They spent all their resources on development and nothing on advertising...

Garfield
11-03-2001, 12:59 PM
> to tell you the truth, i have never heard of BeOS before coming to this board...

Me either.

--Garfield the Great

gamegod3001
11-03-2001, 07:33 PM
>The requirements is a Pentium processor with 64 MB of memory I think. I dunno, though. Other people have this problem and I guess this is one of the cons.... The most obvious is lack of drivers.<

We had this discusion remember.

Hillbillie
11-03-2001, 08:02 PM
Yeah, yeah. Gamegod, give the BeOS a break... If you could see it in action, you'd change your tune about it.

Bobish
11-03-2001, 09:50 PM
windows CE was also left out.

oskilian
11-03-2001, 09:59 PM
Originally posted by Hillbillie
- 64-bit journaled filesystem (yeah i know linux has one too now, but we had it first :p) that supports partition sizes up to 17 (i think) terabytes.



what do you mean We?





Of course, this isn't to say it doesn't have its cons as well...

such as?

Oskilian

Hillbillie
11-03-2001, 10:02 PM
>what do you mean We?<

I mean the BeOS community.


>such as?<

- Lack of drivers.
- The fact it isn't used as much as Windows or Linux.
- The company that makes it sold out.

As far as the actual OS goes, I haven't found anything at all wrong or nasty about it.

oskilian
11-03-2001, 10:09 PM
are you a part of that community?

>The company that makes it sold out.

you mean broke?

Oskilian

Hillbillie
11-03-2001, 10:34 PM
>are you a part of that community?<

Yeah. I'll use BeOS until it won't run on my hardware. I just hope Palm keeps it alive.


>you mean broke?<

That's right.

oskilian
11-03-2001, 10:38 PM
>Yeah. I'll use BeOS until it won't run on my hardware. I just hope Palm keeps it alive.

the fact that you use BeOS makes you a member of the community?


>That's right.

Sorry to hear that


Oskilian

Hillbillie
11-03-2001, 10:41 PM
>the fact that you use BeOS makes you a member of the community?<

Yeah, I think it does. I use BeOS as my main OS. It's my favorite OS. The fact that I am still using it I think makes me a part of the community.

oskilian
11-03-2001, 10:50 PM
are you using it right now to browse cprog?

what other OS's (if any) do you have?

Oskilian

Hillbillie
11-03-2001, 11:58 PM
Yes, I'm using it as I surf.

I've got Windows 98SE and BeOS on my computer.

Yoshi
11-04-2001, 12:20 AM
Useless I manage to get the sound and Wine to work properly. :D

oskilian
11-04-2001, 09:24 PM
Engineer223: Isn't that the University of Planet logo? you should ask Sid Meier for permission to use it (nah, just kidding)

It's pretty neat!

Oskilian

Scourfish
11-05-2001, 12:06 AM
The best operating system I ever came in contact with was on my microwave. This thing was so nice, that you could press the "Baked Potatoe" button, and then enter in the weight of the potatoe, and it would automatically set the time for you. It also scrolled a marquee of text saying "ENJOY YOUR MEAL" across it's small LED display. It was the best OS I ever came in contact with and has never crashed.

*Michelle*
11-05-2001, 03:41 AM
Mine has crashed...

biterman
11-05-2001, 04:29 AM
...and other electronic appliances... Who programs them? What do they program them in? I mean does every type of chip have it's on machine code? I don't even dare guess as to the answers of these questions... hehe!

adios,
biterman.

PS: Nice way to go off topic eh? The best OS hasn't been made yet...

biterman
11-05-2001, 04:41 AM
I went to the Be, Inc. Homepage and nowhere could i find screenshots of BeOS. Is it just me or that weird? Hehe!

adios,
biterman.

adrianxw
11-05-2001, 04:45 AM
>>> ...and other electronic appliances... Who programs them?

I do, (not all of them of course). Some very simple appliances have a custom chip to control them. Others use a gate array chip with a program blown onto it. Some use a small microprocessor without an OS, others use a micro with an OS. Typical OS's used in these more advanced type machines are Windows CE, Phar-Lap and PSOS.

biterman
11-05-2001, 05:54 AM
These custom chips have a set of instructions, some may accept input and handle it. So they must be programmed by someone, i mean someone has to write those instructions in some language. What language do they use? Is it like i asked, a respective "machine code" for every type of chip?

For instance, what's the programming that makes a common Discman work like? It accepts input and handles it. I assume there's quite a bit of programming in there; some to handle the inputs, and the one that involves the actual reading of the CDs, but the latter would be common to most CD-reading appliances, right?

So this is what you do for a living?

Exceedingly interesting!

adios,
biterman.

biterman
11-05-2001, 05:57 AM
Do you think this is an interesting enough topic to move it onto another thread? Since this doesn't really belong in this one, even though some appliances do have OS's.

adios,
biterman.

adrianxw
11-05-2001, 06:42 AM
>>> These custom chips have a set of instructions

Not necessarily. A two input NAND gate, (a quarter of an SN7400 chip for example), performs a function, but there are no instructions, the function is carried out in hardware.

For chips where a "program" in the terms usually discussed here is used, (i.e. a stored program), many chips now come with a development system. In most cases these days, they are written in C/C++. A few are still programmed in FORTRAN or assembler, but basically, anything that can be compiled down to an image that can be blown/flashed into a prom will do. A few software suppliers make IDE's targetting a more general audience, MS for example make embedded C++ targetting Intel, MIPS, ARM, SH3 etc. processors running Windows CE.

An interesting hybrid system is the CGA type chips where special compilers can convert "C" like code directly into hardware.

>>> So this is what you do for a living?

Almost all of my work at the moment targets embedded platforms, so, yes.