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Govtcheez
09-02-2003, 06:07 AM
http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/Northeast/09/01/bank.explosion/index.html

I've never heard of anything like this. This is really bizarre.

darksaidin
09-02-2003, 06:25 AM
The idea is taken from a movie. I can't recall it's name though.

Must have been a terrible situation for the pizza man :(

Govtcheez
09-02-2003, 06:51 AM
Yeah, it's like a scene in Swordfish, but I don't know if that's where they got the idea.

It's weird that they don't know more, though - the guy woulda needed an address to go to. Guess it could have been fake, but it still seems like there'd be something.

adrianxw
09-02-2003, 06:58 AM
We've been discussing this case on another site I post at, it seems that the bomb squad took more than 3 hours to get to the scene.

Really is a weird case this one.

Govtcheez
09-02-2003, 07:00 AM
Maybe Erie didn't have a bomb squad? OTOH, they've got over 100K people, so they probably did.

unanimous
09-02-2003, 02:26 PM
I don't think that would've been a bad way to go. I of course would've eaten a pizza first.

Krak
09-02-2003, 03:52 PM
Heheh, I live like 10 minutes away from where this happened.

MethodMan
09-02-2003, 04:02 PM
WOW.

If he wasnt a part of the scheme, that was one bad way to die.

I dont understand. He pulled out a key and started the timing device. Why on earth would he do that?

Thantos
09-02-2003, 04:14 PM
When it said "He pull out the key" or whatever I think they were referring to the person that put the bomb on the guy.

Silvercord
09-02-2003, 04:30 PM
Heheh, I live like 10 minutes away from where this happened.


you killed him, didn't you? bastard

kermi3
09-02-2003, 04:59 PM
When they say he pulled out a key i think they were refering to the dead man. Sounds to me like an attempted suicide by cop or likewise call for help be a depressed man.

Thantos
09-02-2003, 05:03 PM
As he sat on the ground, Wells said, "Why is nobody trying to get this thing off me?" and "I don't have a lot of time."

Wells also described someone arming the device and strapping it to him.

"He pulled a key out and started a timer. I heard the thing ticking when he did it. It's going to go off. I'm not lying."


Sounds pretty clear that the person who pulled the key out was the man who strapped it on him.

ZakkWylde969
09-02-2003, 05:32 PM
Can I say that is a sad way to die sitting in the middle of the road alone with an explosive collar around your neck while people are sitting around doing nothing.

major_small
09-02-2003, 08:23 PM
Originally posted by Govtcheez
It's weird that they don't know more, though - the guy woulda needed an address to go to. Guess it could have been fake, but it still seems like there'd be something. the address was a radio tower out in the middle of nowhere... I think it was a setup... doesn't seem too out there to me... some guy wants to rob a bank/make a mess, so he builds a bomb... then he calls the pizza guy to get a delivery, when the guy comes, he jumps out with a gun and puts the bomb on the guy... then he tells him to go rob the bank, and starts the timer... the guy doesn't have much of a choice, because if he doesn't rob the bank, the guy won't take the bomb off... so he goes for it... then the police come, the bomber runs and the pizza guy gets taken by police and nobody defuses teh bomb... (from what i heard, it was 30 minutes from when he got into the bank). nobody listens to the guy saying he wants the bomb off and he's taken hostage, because they think he's trying to draw people near to blow them away... so they leave him... and then he goes boom and the police go oops and the bomber goes hehehe

Thantos
09-02-2003, 08:46 PM
nobody listens to the guy saying he wants the bomb off and he's taken hostage, because they think he's trying to draw people near to blow them away

Could it be that maybe just maybe no one was qualified to disarm a bomb and as such didn't want to risk setting the bomb off.

Also he wasn't taken hostage, he was arrested.

Its a sad end but I can't fault the police for doing their jobs. Sounds like the bomb squad was slow but it still might not have changed the outcome.

ober
09-02-2003, 08:53 PM
Ok, so if you were a bank robber, wouldn't you want to make sure that the guy actually got back to you with the money? So why would you have the bomb actually go off?? And if you're smart enough to build a bomb, wouldn't you put a tracking device on it so that even when the time ran out and the guy figured he could get away, that you could track him down? And why, if someone else put the collar on him, didn't he just run straight to the police? Was the killer close by??

Personally I think it was murder... but it's so hard to tell.

vasanth
09-02-2003, 10:08 PM
I think what the police did was wrong.. they should have not hand cufed him.. instead as a last minute effort they should have given him some cutter or sometin so that he could cut the strp around his neck.. unless the strap was made of a conductor which when cut would blow up.... THis is insane... They handcuff him and wait for him to blow up...

Thantos
09-02-2003, 10:12 PM
You forget he was in a public area, they had to protect the people around him also. Also how were they to know the bomb was going to go off before they could disarm it.

novacain
09-02-2003, 10:19 PM
>So why would you have the bomb actually go off?

Your patsy has been caught. If he blows up then all that evidence, inc. forensic goes with him. Hard for him to pick you out of a line up now........

>> if someone else put the collar on him, didn't he just run straight to the police?

Oh yeah. We see it all the time, police letting someone with a bomb walk up to them and give them a big hug. Its not like the police would have shot him.......

>>They handcuff him and wait for him to blow up...

Better than let him run around with a bomb if he does turn out to be a homicidal nut.

Remember some things are strange in the US. We send our systems all round the world. Only in the US is it a stipulation that the system cases be bullet proof......

adrianxw
09-03-2003, 01:03 AM
Another update with pictures of the neck fastening.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/3202697.stm

major_small
09-03-2003, 07:40 PM
Originally posted by Thantos
Could it be that maybe just maybe no one was qualified to disarm a bomb and as such didn't want to risk setting the bomb off.
very true and very fair... I don't fault the police for doing what they did... but I wonder why they cuffed him and sat him down... they must have known he didn't have any control over the bomb... or else they wouldn't have risked getting near him

Originally posted by Thantos
Also he wasn't taken hostage, he was arrested.
that's what i meant... didn't realize i wrote that...

Originally posted by ober5861
Ok, so if you were a bank robber, wouldn't you want to make sure that the guy actually got back to you with the money? So why would you have the bomb actually go off??
just in case he takes too long or the police catch him, like they did

Originally posted by ober5861
And if you're smart enough to build a bomb, wouldn't you put a tracking device on it so that even when the time ran out and the guy figured he could get away, that you could track him down?when the time runs out the guy is dead, so he can't get away... his only choice is to return with the money (and nobody following him) or die - even if he did get the police to bring him back to the radio tower, the bomber would have seen the police and ran...

imo, this sounds like the perfect crime... get somebody else to do the dirty work, and if it doesn't work, some low-profile nobody is dead and there's no evidence...