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confuted
07-02-2003, 10:47 AM
It's sick, twisted, disturbing and just plain WRONG.

Here's a link...there are two pages, and they're both long
http://education.guardian.co.uk/classroomviolence/story/0,12388,987932,00.html

What do you think about that?

edit:
To give you an idea of what's there... here's a quote


Before sending their teen to Tranquility, parents are advised that it might be prudent to keep their plan a secret, and employ an approved escort service to break the news. The first most teenagers hear of Tranquility is therefore when they are woken from their beds at home at 4am by guards, who place them in a van, handcuffed if necessary, drive them to an airport and fly them to Jamaica. The child will not be allowed to speak to his or her parents for up to six months, or see them for up to a year.

o0obruceleeo0o
07-02-2003, 11:58 AM
terrible... That is so sickening. It is IMHO that if a teenager acts bad enough to go to this place, then it is the parents fault for not doing their job. How can a parent punish a kid because they are a bad parent. That makes me sick....

GanglyLamb
07-02-2003, 12:08 PM
Its sick i agree no matter what your kiddo has done, punish it in a correct way.

What i do feel great is that you reward a kids bad behaviour with something good


fly them to Jamaica

this country rox, you can smoke illegal $$$$ all day long, what a reward for behaving in a bad way..

Anyway its wrong what they do.

::edit::
oow you only qouted a funny piece of the article,
no its soo bad why do they do this.
BTW: does this really happens ?? or is it some hoax (it better be).

confuted
07-02-2003, 12:54 PM
Gangly, I don't think it's a hoax. I also don't think the kids are smoking illegal $$$$ all day. I'm sure this violates the Universal Declaration of Human Rights (of course, most countries do in one way or another...including the US...and I'm not US bashing) Doesn't it violate anything else? And... a CALIFORNIA court decided that parents could send their kids there. California is probably the most liberal state in the US...I think that needs to go to the Supreme Court, because it's just wrong. Those parents belong in jail. Or hell. Maybe some of both.

o0obruceleeo0o
07-02-2003, 01:17 PM
I was watching Maury one time and they had a kid and a parent on, and it was everybit as bad as that article says. The brainwashings, beatings, etc. Its like a cult the way they try to get your self-asteem down to mold you to be "good".

Xei
07-02-2003, 11:07 PM
I think it's a hoax. But, whatever, their not my kids and I don't know what they have done. I've never heard of it before so I'll go with my immediate assumption.

novacain
07-03-2003, 01:00 AM
WOW!
I would not send my kids there. Imagine where they will send thier parents when the parents get too old to object?

some obsrvations;

This guy has no qualifications, he was a "petrol-pump attendant, having dropped out of college. He has no qualifications in child development, but considers this unimportant." (lucky his parents did not send him somewhere for dropping out of college!)

His help has only high school qualifications.

This says it all......
"It soon becomes apparent that despite all having been programmed with the script of their near death, no one has paused to wonder how it would have happened."

Destroy all the free thinking, punish natural curiosity. Remove the individual and stress the negative (instrad of reinforcing the positive). Remove the loving family support and replace with malicious revenge oriented 'family'.


Hey. If any of you get sent there, I'll get you out for $40K, no questions asked............

MODS :: lets take up a collection to get one 'lucky' cprogg'er an all expenses paid vacation to sunny Jamaca.

Cheeze-It
07-03-2003, 01:40 AM
http://www.difficultteens-tranquilitybay.com/

I don't know, those kids look happy in the pictures. They're
playin' guiter, jammin', kickin' back in Jamaica. Looks like fun
to me. They're pothead, junky-freaks -- why would anybody listen
to anything they say? I'm not saying it isn't true, but you have
to consider the source... These kids may be bitter.

Cool, 3 "to"s all aligned with each other..

Cheeze-It
07-03-2003, 02:09 AM
Originally posted by novacain



Destroy all the free thinking, punish natural curiosity. Remove the individual and stress the negative (instrad of reinforcing the positive). Remove the loving family support and replace with malicious revenge oriented 'family'.



These kids shouldn't be allowed to think freely. They're obviously
stupid. Their "natural curiosity" has already led them down a path
of drug use and teenage sex. We can all sit back and say how
bad it is that they're being brainwashed, but at least they're
being brainwashed to be non-destructive to society.

Besides, it's not like a brainwashing is anything new to them. The
fact that these kids are even participating in these scum activities
proves that they've already been brainwashed. Nobody capable
of thinking for themselves would do drugs; I'm sorry, but it's true.
If Tranquility Bay wasn't brainwashing them, their moron peers
and crappy music would be.

These children are too susceptible to suggestion, and that's scary.
When I walk outside, I don't want to think that one of these
people will kill me and steal my bling bling because someone on
the radio told him to do it. No way, uh-uh.

vasanth
07-03-2003, 02:12 AM
hmm.. may be some rich kids do require it...

GanglyLamb
07-03-2003, 03:19 AM
Nobody capable
of thinking for themselves would do drugs; I'm sorry, but it's true.

I second that when you talk about harddrugs...
When it comes down to softdrugs like weed,pot etc, then for me its like going to a bar/club/pub whatever and have yourself a beer. I think softdrugs like marihuana etc should be legalised just like alcohol..
But anyway this is off-topic. ( just my 2 cents )

Laterz,

Lamb.

confuted
07-03-2003, 03:24 AM
Nobody capable of thinking for themselves would do drugs; I'm sorry, but it's true.

Quoted for emphasis and because it's true. Sorry Ganglylamb.

nvoigt
07-03-2003, 03:42 AM
"Tranquility is basically a private detention camp." and it's not like anyone is denying this fact. It's a prison. If you are willing to spend 40K on your child, you must be pretty desperate anyway. If it were a normal child, 40K could pay for some really nice school away from home if neccessary. I'm not saying it's okay, but I know at least one case of perfectly normal parents and a child that was so misbehaving, most other people couldn't even believe the stories. I would have been sorry for this one kid, but it's better to have one locked away than 20 suffering. That goes for adults, it should be the same with kids.

Clyde
07-03-2003, 04:21 AM
Nobody capable
of thinking for themselves would do drugs; I'm sorry, but it's true.


Nonsense.

Someone who tries a few things in the quest for new experiences isn't incapable of thinking.

And that place..... looks like a horrific blending of 1984 and A Brave New World, it is trully obscene.

GanglyLamb
07-03-2003, 05:04 AM
And that place..... looks like a horrific blending of 1984 and A Brave New World, it is trully obscene.

Right on, although they dont let those adolescents have babys like in A brave New world.

@blackrat:
I understand what you mean but where i live softdrugs is legalised for ppl above 18 years and only if you use it with people above 18, and if you dont disturb other ppl by using this drugs...
And since its fairly easy to get some its like having a beer in a bar.
But i sincerely know what you mean, and i respect your point of view on it.

Ganglylamb.

Cheeze-It
07-03-2003, 04:14 PM
Originally posted by Clyde
Nonsense.

Someone who tries a few things in the quest for new experiences isn't incapable of thinking.


Bleh, nonsense to you...

They don't try drugs because they're curious of how it'll make
them feel. Nobody does that; that's just a cliche that was created
by the writers of those very special episodes of primetime sitcoms.
I believe "Blossom" used the same excuse when she got caught
with heroin.

Hey, I'm curious what it feels like to be eaten by a tiger. I think
I'll try it out in the quest for new experiences.

Clyde
07-03-2003, 04:25 PM
They don't try drugs because they're curious of how it'll make
them feel. Nobody does that; that's just a cliche that was created
by the writers of those very special episodes of primetime sitcoms


I did.



Hey, I'm curious what it feels like to be eaten by a tiger. I think
I'll try it out in the quest for new experiences


Most people don't view pain and death and as a particularly positive experience.

Cheeze-It
07-03-2003, 04:32 PM
I did.


No you didn't.




Most people don't view pain and death and as a particularly positive experience.

But addiction and impairment are?

confuted
07-03-2003, 04:50 PM
Originally posted by ethic
But addiction and impairment are?
Sad but true: Some people are so pitiful that being impaired is the best way for them to be. You know, if they're too messed up to walk, they probably won't beat and rob old women trying to cross the street.

Clyde
07-03-2003, 05:35 PM
No you didn't.


... right what would i know about my own life....

Anyhow either way the point remains that classifying anyone who had ever taken drugs as incapable of thinking for themselves is still a ridiculous statement.



But addiction and impairment are?


People don't do drugs looking to experience addiction and impairment.

Cheeze-It
07-03-2003, 05:50 PM
right what would i know about my own life....


Nothing. That's because the drugs ruined your memory.



Anyhow either way the point remains that classifying anyone who had ever taken drugs as incapable of thinking for themselves is still a ridiculous statement.

It's a brilliant statement. I've already been nominated for a
Pulitzer because of it.



People don't do drugs looking to experience addiction and impairment.

There is nothing positive about drugs, just like there's nothing
positive about being eaten by a tiger.

MrWizard
07-03-2003, 06:32 PM
I actually know a kid who was sent there. He was a highly intelligent person but due to family problems, often behaved in a very poor manor. His parents sent him there. The things he spoke of when he got out I could not believe. The idea I got from him was "do what we say or we will brutally beat you into submission". Just think about it, you're on an island where some strangers have complete reign over your life. He was smart enough to act the way they wanted and was released after a few years.
I haven't spoken to him in some time so I don't know many of the details anymore.

confuted
07-03-2003, 06:58 PM
Ethic, that was a bad example. For some people, being eaten by a tiger would be a positive thing... for society, at least :D :D :D

novacain
07-03-2003, 11:22 PM
>> Nobody capable of thinking for themselves would do drugs; I'm sorry, but it's true.
<<

It is part of the public record that the last two presidents of the US have taken drugs.

With Clinton was pot (but he did not inhale LOL!), GWB jr has had cocaine and alcohol problems (inc a DUI conviction).


Ahhh.........now I think about it that just proves your point.


Legalise all drugs. Accept that there is no way to stop people taking drugs. Start helping those that have a problem with them.

Put the distribution in the hands of medical professionals (instead of greedy criminals).
Then use the resulting taxes to pay for improved treatment and education.

>>There is nothing positive about drugs,<<

Except the medical beifits.
ie
Pot is an easier to handle pain relief (and appetite enhancer) for cancer sufferes who's chemo therapy makes normal pain killers unusable.

confuted
07-03-2003, 11:59 PM
I have a better idea. Legalize drugs and have them sold on every street corner and in every vending machine. Put them in a wrapper with a label that says "warning: these are laced with large amounts of arsenic and/or cyanide. use of these will most likely kill you immediately" I bet we would take out most of the drug using population right away with that. I'll teach kids to read one way or another.

Clyde
07-04-2003, 03:25 AM
There is nothing positive about drugs, just like there's nothing
positive about being eaten by a tiger.


... the experience for those who dont go on to become addicts is not particularly negative.

How else do you explain the popularity of none addictive drugs like dope?

Cheeze-It
07-04-2003, 10:39 AM
Originally posted by Clyde
... the experience for those who dont go on to become addicts is not particularly negative.

How else do you explain the popularity of none addictive drugs like dope?

Rap music.

rotis23
07-04-2003, 12:09 PM
>>Rap music

So dope(marijuana) has only popular for around 10 - 15 years then?

confuted
07-04-2003, 01:43 PM
No, before that there were hippies. I've also seen people addicted to pot - it might not be as addictive as heroin, but people don't know what to do without it.

Clyde
07-04-2003, 02:02 PM
Its not an addictive drug.

o0obruceleeo0o
07-04-2003, 02:06 PM
Originally posted by Clyde
Its not an addictive drug.

you aren't physically addicted to it (like you are on hardcore drugs, where you body starts to need it), but you can become mentally addicted.

Clyde
07-04-2003, 04:05 PM
Fair point, though its not in the same league as cocaine.

sean
07-04-2003, 04:35 PM
You can become mentally addicted to anything.

o0obruceleeo0o
07-04-2003, 04:43 PM
Originally posted by Sean
You can become mentally addicted to anything.

true