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mart_man00
06-22-2003, 11:05 AM
remember that thread awhile ago that was a complete flame, the us/american bashing one? remember when i took the american point of view and (mostly) every one else decides to be a european "man",where are the riots now? (http://search.yahoo.com/search?x=wrb&va=man+in+windshield+for+2+days&ei=UTF-8&vm=r&n=20&fl=1&vl=lang_en&ve=)

good so see equal rights work, just switch the sides and collect the votes, democrats. people wouldnt stand for the other way around, funny how it doesnt matter this way.

im sure this will be a flame in no time, im just wondering if one or two good points will actually be made. im also doing this incase this case is actually getting some real attention, something i havent seen, something im not expecting.

by they way, this isnt new news, i saw this a long time ago. if it was the other way around there would of been riots that same night led by every democrat in the state and of course coverage every where.

i wonder how many people are going to pull a slashdot.......

one last thing, im sorry if this is offensive to you(seriously), but with alot of people (surprisenly alot in the tech sector) i just dont care.

Unregd
06-22-2003, 12:27 PM
I have no idea what your point actually is. Are you trying to blame this death on the Democratic Party or what? If a person is killed, especially in such a negligent fashion, it's wrong no matter what your political beliefs might be.

And what exactly are the "American point of view" and the "European point of view"? People hold opinions as individuals, not as continents.

One last thing: Bridges are for trolls.

mart_man00
06-22-2003, 01:03 PM
Are you trying to blame this death on the Democratic Party or what?
no, i just cant wait to hear what they have to say. nothing is ever simple to them. there is no right and wrong just society's problem.
what really pi$$es me off is how if it was the other way around there would be riots, but if you want to push this article your a racist(i know its coming).

atleast you picked one and read it, i was expected a slashdot being pulled.

by they way, how come people dont use there names threads like this?

ZerOrDie
06-22-2003, 01:09 PM
try to actually make sense next time

mart_man00
06-22-2003, 01:16 PM
try to actually make sense next time first time for everything, i guess

confuted
06-22-2003, 03:08 PM
martman, I have absolutely nothing against you, and I read that article, but I'm not understanding what you're trying to say. could you clarify?

slaveofthenet
06-22-2003, 03:16 PM
The lady did something horrible, she was obviously in the wrong. I don't see how race or society plays into this story, she would be viewed the same regardless of ethnicity or background. I think most people would see this as an act of wrong doing, and not a flaw in society, it's not a matter of politics.

mart_man00
06-22-2003, 04:24 PM
martman, I have absolutely nothing against you, and I read that article, but I'm not understanding what you're trying to say. could you clarify?
nice to know...

basicly this was a angry rant to see what techy people would say. the ties into alot of stuff.

if you remember a old thread about aids, i took the more conservative side. i said why should we spend so much money over there when we have problems here. i said that we were just wasting it. soon after i said something and a anti us bashing session started.

the normal kind, were the west is always wrong. so naturaly i point out how much we did for them, how did practicly nothing for us. some where/how more was said about ethnic groups and i was called a racists.

so by the fact that i think no one should be given money/less of a sentence(jail wise) for being any race i became a racist. now when a black women runs over a white man and lets him die slowly 2 days, nothing.

shes not a racist, the guy would of been if it was ther other way around. there would of been a riot and every one would cover this story, but its a white mans problem, so no one has to here. so ethnic/"minority group will get twice the press while a white guys will get half, talk about equal rights. i think we took steps backward(we have taken steps forward sense slavery, but this is more revenge than justice).

i threw democrat in the title just because they all ways love to say every other group is racist. just like the tend not to answer questions.

i was basicly surprised and wanted to what would happen, not alot.

confuted
06-22-2003, 04:51 PM
hmmm... you have some valid points there. When a white person kills a black person, it will likely be tried under hate crime legislation (stupid stuff, imo). When a black kills a white, it's tried as murder. I think affirmative action is wrong too. I don't know how the heck it survives, because the people I've talked to froim various parts of the country that are in "minority groups" don't like it either... I think it's just a liberal idea. Hmmph.

mart_man00
06-22-2003, 05:00 PM
I think it's just a liberal idea
id like to know how this crap got started in the first place.

america was founded on standing up for a reason, why does no one do it anymore. who started all this touchy feely crap.

i remember tring to look up the dumba$$ and finding out it took 30 years for the constition to be screwed up. i dont know exactly what happened, but i agreed with alot of other things on the mans site so ill probally agree with him(on the constition being screwup after 30 years).

its the same with guns, wars, crime and laws.

we dont need to enforce our laws, we need more of them. its not his fault for going on a rampage, its society's. guns dont save lives, the end them. just like gore created the internet. just like we need them and not the other way around.

ygfperson
06-22-2003, 05:42 PM
id like to know how this crap got started in the first place.
It probably started in the 60s as a response to racism, and as an attempt to create more diversity.

america was founded on standing up for a reason, why does no one do it anymore. who started all this touchy feely crap.
Questions end with '?' marks. Sentences end with '.' marks. And commas are used to create pauses in sentences and questions.

Of course people stand up for stuff. It's easy to see otherwise when nobody agrees with you.


i remember tring to look up the dumba$$ and finding out it took 30 years for the constition to be screwed up. i dont know exactly what happened, but i agreed with alot of other things on the mans site so ill probally agree with him(on the constition being screwup after 30 years).
tring? constition? You're trying to convince me you're right, not that you're stupid. If you keep posting like this, I'm going to assume that you're a liberal in disguise trying to make conservatives look bad.

And what do you mean by the fact that the Constitution screwed up over 30 years? If you want to convince me, you'll have to explain what you mean here.


its the same with guns, wars, crime and laws.
This implies that I understand the previous paragraph, which I don't.


we dont need to enforce our laws, we need more of them.
Don't be sarcastic. It's hard enough to understand you normally.

guns dont save lives, the end them.
Stop ending your words a letter too early. And what does this have to do with your point, anyway? Of course guns end lives.


just like gore created the internet.
Sentence fragment. Of course Gore didn't create the Internet. What does this have to do with anything?


just like we need them and not the other way around.
Who's we? Who's them? What the hell are you talking about?

mart_man00
06-22-2003, 05:57 PM
Questions end with '?' marks. Sentences end with '.' marks. And commas are used to create pauses in sentences and questions.
Nice one....Iím attempting to do this quickly, as you already noticed.


And what do you mean by the fact that the Constitution screwed up over 30 years? If you want to convince me, you'll have to explain what you mean here.
Like I said I donít know where it went wrong. I read a site that said 30 years ago, nothing more. I agreed with other things on the site (mainly gun laws), so Iím assuming ill agree with him on whatever happened 30 years after the constitution.


Don't be sarcastic. It's hard enough to understand you normally.
O sorry, I didnít think it was that bad, ill try to do a quick spell check.


Stop ending your words a letter too early.
I get the point, slow down....


Of course guns end lives.
So there never saved a single life? They donít belong in a "civilized society".


Of course Gore didn't create the Internet. What does this have to do with anything?
I wanted to add more crap democrats say, I was on a computer which one a tech site, it just popped in my head.


Who's we? Who's them? What the hell are you talking about?
We = America
Them = more or less (mostly less), the world

I really should have made reference, to the war.

When other countries need us, they kiss our a$$. When we need them (mostly for convenience), their no where to be found or their screaming at us since we didnít try enough tea parties for them.

muttmuttmutt
06-22-2003, 06:02 PM
oh my god, thats so $$$$ed up, 2 days!!!!! someone should kill her.

minesweeper
06-22-2003, 06:03 PM
Well......I think this should get the prize of least coherent thread of the month. I'm lost, completely bewildered.

The story of that death was tragic though

Govtcheez
06-22-2003, 06:07 PM
Originally posted by mart_man00
I wanted to add more crap democrats say, I was on a computer which one a tech site, it just popped in my head. The only people I've heard ever say that were Republicans.

I don't really need to address the rest of the "issue" here... Besides, that article's over a year old. I fail to see how any of this has to do with one political party over the other; you're just reaching for a reason to .........., IMO.

golfinguy4
06-22-2003, 06:30 PM
I think I saw a tv show (maybe CSI?) that had this happen in it.

Zach L.
06-22-2003, 06:31 PM
I wanted to add more crap democrats say


Of course they do. So do Republicans. So do Green Party members. So do Libertarians (as much as I hate to admit it). So does everyone else. Conversely, most of them also make good points on occasion.

The death was tragic. She was clearly in the wrong for letting him just bleed to death like that... But really, it has nothing to do with race.



you're just reaching for a reason to $$$$$


Took the words out of my mouth Govtcheez.



Like I said I donít know where it went wrong. I read a site that said 30 years ago, nothing more. I agreed with other things on the site (mainly gun laws), so Iím assuming ill agree with him on whatever happened 30 years after the constitution.


Come one now... You must have a better reason than that.

As for what happened 30 years ago... Nixon administration, Vietnam war, perhaps?

ygfperson
06-22-2003, 08:11 PM
Originally posted by mart_man00
So there never saved a single life? They donít belong in a "civilized society".
I'm not saying that, either. I'm pro-gun. It's just how you worded things.



I wanted to add more crap democrats say, I was on a computer which one a tech site, it just popped in my head.
My problem with the whole Gore/internet thing is that it has no relevance today. Most people won't argue that this was the right thing to say.



We = America
Them = more or less (mostly less), the world

I really should have made reference, to the war.

When other countries need us, they kiss our a$$. When we need them (mostly for convenience), their no where to be found or their screaming at us since we didnít try enough tea parties for them.
When America acts unilaterally, we discount the opinions of every other country, relevant or not. They don't want us, clearly the most powerful country in the world, to be running the world by ourselves. Not only does it concentrate power into our hands (and out of theirs), it makes our interests look more selfish.

We don't need other countries to help us rule the world. And they don't need us to police the world. The problem is that a geopolitical division in the world causes unneeded tarriffs, resists progress in global causes, and creates general animosity through the world.

The bottom line is that the Bush administration is creating problems which a little diplomacy could avoid. (Examples: the complaint by the European Union on farm subsidies, the Kyoto global warming treaty, the Nuclear test-ban treaty the administration considered abandoning, the nuclear defense treaty the administration abandoned, the United States' refusal to sign a treaty banning child soldiers, the refusal to apologize to China for the crash-landing on their soil)

mart_man00
06-22-2003, 08:38 PM
ygfperson, thanks for posting something thatís not flame bait. You didnít bash and you didnít whine, thanks.


the Kyoto global warming treaty
This inst the kind of news I tend to follow that much, but Iím not a believer in global warming. Pollution would be nice to cut back on; we have been trying for a while now. Seems pretty good so far. Feel free to add something.



the Nuclear test-ban treaty the administration considered abandoning
Personally, I donít like the fact that anyone is trying to stop us from testing anything. It is dangerous but it sets a bad president. We should keep it at an absolute minimum, but not because of another country.


the nuclear defense treaty the administration abandoned,
For defense we should use every thing we have! Nukes arenít the best thing to use (aftermath) but if the jobs has to be done it will do it, we have a lot of them.


the refusal to apologize to China for the crash-landing on their soil
Did you hear what there pilots do regularly? They intentionally flew way to close to ours. That would make any one nervous, they didnít help any. They should have apologized to us.



the United States' refusal to sign a treaty banning child soldiers
I havenít heard this one before. Thereís age limit on enlisting, Iím sure thereís one for drafting to.

I can see of some people would like all these treaties, but why? If we have the law on our books do we really have to sign with another country? A country should know if it should get involved, and not because of paper work. I guess you could call it good will, but not that useful.

mart_man00
06-22-2003, 08:41 PM
forgot about this one


Come one now... You must have a better reason than that.
no, i dont. its alot of history to go threw and this isnt popular stuff. maybe im searching wrong(ive only tried a couple times).


As for what happened 30 years ago... Nixon administration, Vietnam war, perhaps?
i ment 30 years after america was founded. what you listed wasnt exactly the best times for the us either(except for nixon, he wasnt that bad. still beats clinton).

nvoigt
06-23-2003, 12:24 AM
every one else decides to be a european "man",where are the riots now?


As a european, I so don't get your point, I won't even start to argue.

minesweeper
06-23-2003, 01:56 AM
>>As a european, I so don't get your point, I won't even start to argue.<<

Likewise.

novacain
06-23-2003, 02:36 AM
>>As a european, I so don't get your point<<

I'm not European.........

>> Did you hear what there pilots do regularly? They intentionally flew way to close to ours. That would make any one nervous, they didnít help any. They should have apologized to us.<<

The US plane was over territory that China claims. Everybody admits that the US was spying on China and refused to stop when confronted. An accident occurred when both sides refused to compromise.

A Chinese pilot was killed.

If it were a US airman killed by a Chinese spy plane over the US, what would happen?

A summary of the incident.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/theissues/article/0,6512,468510,00.html


Previous words of wisdom from mart_man

a black woman ran over a white man, guess what she did? nothing! he stayed in her windshield for days and he slowly died because she wouldnt(sic) call for help. it didnt(sic) even make the news. if it were that other way around there would be some many riots it wouldnt(sic) even be funny. this is what ........es me off. this goes on all the time. listen to what a black man on tv has to say about it odds are he will say complete bull. ask a normal black man on a streat(sic) and it will probally(sic) be the opposite. and of cource(sic) guess who gets the air time.

a bunch of basicly(sic) hillbillies with aks are angry, atleat(sic) the guy that could be a handfull(sic) and could do some real damge(sic) to us is gone. it will take a while but people will learn, atleast(sic) nothing can happen to us .
how many of the countries objecting/complainging(sic) have any right to? half of the people a make a couple of chickens a year! its a war of the civilazations(sic),not 3rd world countries.
after all we are the only country in the world that has to pay the bill or have are men killed.
we are the super power. would you prefer people that never saw electricity in their lives run the show?
money doesnt(sic) matter, but when people with no money, house that are below tents and people that have probaly(sic) never seen electricty(sic) or anything made in that last centuries try to get involved it(sic) not right
sure alot(sic) of germans resent us, that just becuase(sic) there(sic) ungrateful cowards.

GanglyLamb
06-23-2003, 03:26 AM
When America acts unilaterally, we discount the opinions of every other country, relevant or not. They don't want us, clearly the most powerful country in the world, to be running the world by ourselves. Not only does it concentrate power into our hands (and out of theirs), it makes our interests look more selfish.

We don't need other countries to help us rule the world. And they don't need us to police the world. The problem is that a geopolitical division in the world causes unneeded tarriffs, resists progress in global causes, and creates general animosity through the world.

The bottom line is that the Bush administration is creating problems which a little diplomacy could avoid. (Examples: the complaint by the European Union on farm subsidies, the Kyoto global warming treaty, the Nuclear test-ban treaty the administration considered abandoning, the nuclear defense treaty the administration abandoned, the United States' refusal to sign a treaty banning child soldiers, the refusal to apologize to China for the crash-landing on their soil)


I So totally agree, and wich country likes to see all power being concentrated into one??? (try to put your mind if you are an american into a european mind).
(^just human nature)



If i would translate my history book wich we had this year you would be suprised to see what is all in there.
I mean our teachers (and so do our books) are constantly bashing the USA, you could call it a brainwashing operation (although thats a little too drastic).

We do have free minds, but i really think they are very very biased because of our environment where we grow up.

::side-note::
Thats why i was thinking yesterday of a project. Assume you could create 2 completely the same humans, they would also have the same opinions, ideas etc.
Raise one child in the US, the other in Europe. Put as much money in the US child as in the Europe child (so take in account how much you would do with a $ in europe for instance).

Then after 18 years i would like to see the difference between them...

I know this would be an impossible thing to do but i can imagine it all in my head <= Would be a great experiment, not that i kick on experimenting with humans but the result would be awesome.

::back to reality::

PS: sorry if this looked a stressfull message , thats because im getting stressed (i get my results today -wether im graduated or not ).

mart_man00
06-23-2003, 08:40 AM
how many of the countries objecting/complainging(sic) have any right to? half of the people a make a couple of chickens a year! its a war of the civilazations(sic),not 3rd world countries.
what you want people that seen a sinlge person outside their hut to make decisions for the work!? there called superpowers, theres a reason why they get the title. alot of countries have their own problems to deal with.


The US plane was over territory that China claims. Everybody admits that the US was spying on China and refused to stop when confronted. An accident occurred when both sides refused to compromise.
they flew to close, they knew better. it almost happened before. it was there country to they should of escorted our plane out or just shot it down. we have deals so that other countries can fly over our bases(i hate to use this example, area 51), id love to hear china had one with us. but that wouldnt be blaming us so it would never be mentioned on tv or anything.


If i would translate my history book wich we had this year you would be suprised to see what is all in there.
most are. it doesnt really matter what level your on. there was more on king than the founding of america in mine. also, clinton was a bad president, that part was just bull. the biggest discrace gets more pages than washington.


Then after 18 years i would like to see the difference between them...
european: hates the us, asks us for everything, whines, surrenders many times a day.
american: good chance he will turn out to be a liberal/democrat(see european), learn to hate europeans, hate the past(how many times have we help those idiots, how many times have we paid the bill)
The US plane was over territory that China claims. Everybody admits that the US was spying on China and refused to stop when confronted. An accident occurred when both sides refused to compromise.

GanglyLamb
06-23-2003, 08:53 AM
european: hates the us, asks us for everything, whines, surrenders many times a day.
american: good chance he will turn out to be a liberal/democrat(see european), learn to hate europeans, hate the past(how many times have we help those idiots, how many times have we paid the bill)

You imply (or however that is written) that when i said
::Then after 18 years i would like to see the difference between them...:: i was after some US bashing.

I already have done enough US bashing in some previous threads, resulting in European bashing.
I didnt said anything i said i would like to see the diff between em.
You are making an elephant out of an ant (wich even doesnt exist).

I wish i lived in my own Utopia. (notice : OWN)

::edit::
Ive just reread the thing youve said (wich i quoted). If you read it carefully without dropping one or 2 words then you will notice/ or even wont notice, how you think.

adrianxw
06-23-2003, 09:10 AM
Enough of this flame bait.