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Liger86
05-30-2003, 06:55 PM
What is your best chip and why?

mart_man00
05-30-2003, 07:07 PM
i think alot of people are liking the pentium 4 more just because of hyper-threading. it not a great way of doing smp(since it really doesnt) but a smp board isnt as easy to find(but can be done online) and is normaly more expensive. the chip's price will eventualy come down. if amd were to come out with something like that (and bus speed) it would probally be amd all the way.

except for multimedia, sometimes intel is in the lead with something new, other times amd has it already.

the Wookie
05-30-2003, 07:37 PM
i build my computers with AMD because they're so much cheaper than the P4 equivelants.

mart_man00
05-30-2003, 07:41 PM
i build my computers with AMD because they're so much cheaper than the P4 equivelants.
i new that was a big part of it, i was hoping their was alittle more that was notable. but that one of the bigger parts for me too.

Shiro
05-31-2003, 02:25 AM
I have no favourite chip. I'd choose for Intel, but that's only because I've got experience with their chips. The 8086 family and 8051.

When it comes to other chips, I like the MC68000 which I've used for quite a lot of things, a few years ago I've built a simple cruise-control system with it. Recently I've worked with the MK3. The SH-series of Hitachi also seems quite good, though I have not yet worked with it.

Fountain
05-31-2003, 10:46 AM
never had any bother with AMD. The ones i have had have always out-performed the intel equivalents.

So, AMD I guess.

RoD
05-31-2003, 11:05 AM
This is a really played and covered topic and has alot of potential to start flame wars...

mart_man00
05-31-2003, 11:49 AM
This is a really played and covered topic and has alot of potential to start flame wars...
at times thats all that board seems to have.

it would be nice if some intel guys and amd guys to actually debated about it.

JLBSchreck
05-31-2003, 02:01 PM
Personally I preffer the chips made by amd, mainly because of their price, but there other things that I like better about Amd than Intel. Included below is a link to a website that talks about the past of the x86 microprocessor, I found it in one of my searches and I thought that it might shed some light on the subject. The site does not, in my opinion, take sides and thus it might give some people some more information to use in their explinations as to why the prefer AMD or Intel chips.

Here is a link to the site. http://www.redhill.net.au/iu.html

-JLBShecky

minesweeper
05-31-2003, 02:16 PM
:D. When I saw the thread title I thought it would be a poll on the finest cuts of potato to be eaten with burgers.

Oh well. I use AMD because they are cheaper.

Eibro
05-31-2003, 02:17 PM
AMD because they're better than Intel in every single way. If you ever hear of Intel being better than AMD, remember that it's all lies!

mart_man00
05-31-2003, 02:31 PM
AMD because they're better than Intel in every single way. If you ever hear of Intel being better than AMD, remember that it's all lies!
o like microsoft to linux, now it all makes sense!!!

microsoft = intel
linux = amd

its so clear now!

BMJ
05-31-2003, 03:09 PM
When it comes to my servers, I wouldn't dare put anything in them other than P4 Xeons...

RoD
05-31-2003, 08:40 PM
>>it would be nice if some intel guys and amd guys to actually debated about it.

And we have, many, many, many times.

the Wookie
05-31-2003, 08:49 PM
Originally posted by BMJ
When it comes to my servers, I wouldn't dare put anything in them other than P4 Xeons... agreed, less compatabily problems and hyperthreading. though dual athlon MPs sound good too...

major_small
05-31-2003, 09:06 PM
i haven't had much experience with AMD, but i'm using a pentium 4 @2GHZ... I'd probably use an AMD though, mostly because they're cheaper... the only reason i have a P4 is because I'm running with a prebuilt dell...

mart_man00
05-31-2003, 09:14 PM
And we have, many, many, many times.
wasnt that before hyperthreading? sorry if it was after, i didnt notice it.

RoD
05-31-2003, 10:41 PM
>>wasnt that before hyperthreading?

I honestly dont know. Either way its still beating a dead horse.

Xei
06-01-2003, 08:43 PM
I own an AMD, I like it. Although I like either of them, I used to like AMD much more, but recently AMD's are way too hot (even if you have a SSVolcano 9 on it running at 5500 RPM). I've set up 4 pentium 4's this year and they run at about 33 Degrees Celcius and are quite stable. I think my next PC will be a pentium.

Zach L.
06-01-2003, 09:45 PM
I've always liked MIPS processors, though those aren't PC processors. Between Intel and AMD, I'd have to go with AMD, though I haven't used any P4s much. AMD's have usually been roughly equivalent, and a bit cheaper.

Liger86
06-02-2003, 10:49 AM
is AthlonXP 3000+ same as Pentium4 3.06ghz?

frenchfry164
06-02-2003, 01:39 PM
No, it doesn't have hyperthreading on it.

I like AMD all the way. I've used them in my last two computers (500 MHz K6-2, and Athlon XP 2000+). My Athlon XP overclocks like a dream. I am running it up to 1.9 GHz right now. Not much higher, but I just basically wanted to be able to do it. Now that I can do it, I'm going to put more cooling in and overclock it some more.

Now I can beat out a P4 2.2 GHz

PS: Has anyone tried the new Athlon XP 3200+ yet?

edit: fixed my overclock speed from 1.8 to 1.9

ZerOrDie
06-02-2003, 04:28 PM
Originally posted by Liger86
is AthlonXP 3000+ same as Pentium4 3.06ghz?

no and the 3.0ghz kills the athlon...
http://www6.tomshardware.com/cpu/20030210/barton-23.html
the 3200+ did not fare any better...
http://www6.tomshardware.com/cpu/20030513/athlon_xp-22.html

amd's do not perform as well as intels so obviously i run intels... not to mention i dont like spending 40-60$ on fans that sound like a plane taking off

volk
06-03-2003, 02:33 PM
Damnit, I wanted potato chips!

adrianxw
06-03-2003, 02:45 PM
Neither is better. I have both, both work, both work fine.

Put a top of the range Intel on a basic mobo with an average chip set, or a class AMD on an equally poor mobo, you'll get similar, (poor), performance.

Right chip, on the right board with the right chipset, and it'll fly.

The question is meaningless without the environmental issues.

DavidP
06-03-2003, 04:01 PM
back the truck up here...

some of us may have been out of the loop the past few months...sooo...

what the heck is hyperthreading....

mart_man00
06-03-2003, 05:07 PM
hyper threading is just faking 2 processors, a chessy smp setups.

it will take more than one thread at a time. so in theory it should be faster since its doing more and the speed and cache can handle more. it works with out software and is seen as 2 processors, which is nice.

ive been looking for a couple of good becnhmarks for this. i hear that a smp board for 2 p3s will out do a p4 with hyperthreading and it will be cheaper. i think it was just on a board so it needs to be proven.

and smp-ers here?

frenchfry164
06-04-2003, 12:06 AM
When the Athlon64 comes out it'll kick Intel's sorry ass. It's based on the Opteron which kicks the P4's ass. Especially in gaming (which Athlon is better than Pentium for gaming anywayz). The only thing the P4 beat the Opteron on was video encoding, but who cares about that? Oh, and the Opteron was running like 2.06 GHz and the P4 was 3.06 GHz w/ HT. The Athlon64 is just a home version of the Opteron.

adrianxw
06-04-2003, 08:00 AM
The important thing you missed frenchfry164 is that the 64bit Opteron core will run 32 bit code natively, i.e. just as fast. The Intel 64bit platform will not do this - 32bit code will take a sizeable performance hit when running on a 64bit Intel - at least at the present, they will probably fix this at some time.

Liger86
06-04-2003, 10:43 AM
just one more vote and Intel wins!

Oh yes by the way, the poll is timed!

ZerOrDie
06-04-2003, 11:54 AM
When the Athlon64 comes out it'll kick Intel's sorry ass.


oh yeah... amd people always say this... when the new amd comes out it will own intel... but wait it owns the old intel chip that came out 6 months ago and of course the new fancy intel just blows the amd to bits...

Silvercord
06-04-2003, 12:49 PM
I like salt and vinegar chips

frenchfry164
06-04-2003, 12:54 PM
I didn't say Athlon64 and the P4 were even competition. I was saying the Opteron beats a hyperthreaded P4 while being a GHz under on clock speed. All the opteron is is a 64 bit Athlon with a little bigger L1 and L2 caches. Which is just proving that if improved on (which will become the Athlon64) it'll totally blow intel's next chip away.

PS: The opteron kicks Xeon's ass.

mart_man00
06-04-2003, 03:56 PM
i used to be neutral but now im leaning towards intel, i hope they win too!

alpha
06-04-2003, 04:53 PM
Anyone have any experience with the Centrino?

I'm thinking of getting it with my laptop that I'll be buying for college. The battery life is very enticing.

frenchfry164
06-04-2003, 06:06 PM
Isn't that a motherboard architecture for notebooks? One thing I do gotta say, is Intel makes some pretty good chipsets for mobos. Not as good as nVidia though :D

mart_man00
06-04-2003, 06:15 PM
yeah its for notebooks.

its not actually anything new, its just a bunch of special devices packaged together.

Liger86
06-05-2003, 10:52 AM
notebooks suck! and they are expensive.

Actually I' rich and don't care about prices!

hahaa

frenchfry164
06-05-2003, 02:42 PM
notebooks suck!
There is a place where notebooks are good, and a place where desktops are.

Liger86
06-05-2003, 04:16 PM
Originally posted by Liger86
notebooks suck! and they are expensive.

Actually I' rich and don't care about prices!

hahaa

well, most notebooks then!

frenchfry164
06-06-2003, 01:10 AM
laptops are a lot better way to use computers on the go then it is to carry a full desktop PC around and a generator.:p