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mithrandir
10-27-2001, 01:49 AM
What is your theory? It can be about programming, life, people - whatever.

Pendragon
10-27-2001, 05:26 AM
I believe the world is too real to be real. I think that when we see people going about their daily business and the dematerialise as soon as they are out of sight. It's a conspiracy I tell you!

Also time. It doesn't exist. How can it? For time has a past, present and a future... yet you always have to generalise the present. No matter how much you subdivide in to seconds, milleseconds etc. you can never pinpoint present as 'time' is always moving along. Therefore there is no present.. therefore time cannot exist. We generalise 'it' to suit our species.

Right. Ranting over. I need a cup of tea. ;)

-Penny

mfc2themax
10-27-2001, 06:09 AM
i believe we live in the Matrix, and that i am the ONE.

Pendragon
10-27-2001, 06:11 AM
The Matrix rocks!



and that i am the ONE.

In your dreams. ;) :p

Fordy
10-27-2001, 06:12 AM
I believe I am a figment of the imagination of the invisible rabbit that sits on my shoulder

Go figure.

Pendragon
10-27-2001, 06:15 AM
::makes invisible rabbit noise::

mfc2themax
10-27-2001, 06:17 AM
rabbit?

Pendragon
10-27-2001, 06:26 AM
::invisages little pink fluffy bunnies hopping around a green field with little blue bows around their neck::

Then the stampede comes...::evil grin::

mfc2themax
10-27-2001, 06:51 AM
>The Matrix rocks!<

Anybody know when Matrix 2 is coming out???

Pendragon
10-27-2001, 06:54 AM
Not a clue! It'd better get it's arse in gear though.

Carlos
10-27-2001, 07:04 AM
I believe there must be a special reason we exist.

We're part of an experiment or something.
Left alone on this planet, far away from everything, THEY have studied our evolution, how life makes it's way through darkness.

Maybe THEY help us from time to time, when it's *really* critical and we cannot manage it.

THEY don't let us all die, but that's all, nothing more.

Cheers, bacterium fellows! ;)

Pendragon
10-27-2001, 07:06 AM
Or we could have just evolved as scientists swear blind we did... I don't think so but it's possible.

mfc2themax
10-27-2001, 07:08 AM
>We're part of an experiment or something. <

Who/What started the experiment?

Pendragon
10-27-2001, 07:10 AM
Something we have yet to discover. If 'they/it' had the power to create us then surely it would have the power to shield itself/themselves from us.

Kinda like SimCity.

Carlos
10-27-2001, 07:11 AM
>> Who/What started the experiment?

Taking in account the infinite number of possibilities, the cyclic evolution theory ...and being hell lazy, my first answer is: we ourselves!

mfc2themax
10-27-2001, 07:11 AM
>Kinda like SimCity.<

I love that game....

Pendragon
10-27-2001, 07:14 AM
I run SimCity 3000 UK version. It's cool!

Carlos
10-27-2001, 07:15 AM
Btw, this (originally not my) theory does make sense.
Assuming it's true, it'd explain (and simplify) many things we don't understand yet.

mfc2themax
10-27-2001, 07:16 AM
yes, but where did the life that created us come from????

Pendragon
10-27-2001, 07:24 AM
If we don't know how we were created or by whom then how on Earth or wherever are we going to know anything about him/her/they/it or nothing?!:cool:

Carlos
10-27-2001, 07:26 AM
Look:

There was nothing, ok:

NOTHING = 0

...but 0 = -1 +1 (Yin-Yang)

...and +1 = 0.002 + 0.00000035 + 0.00000000121 + ....
...as well -1 = -0.00005 + (-0.0000341) + (-0.0021002) + .....
now randomly add positive and negative parts, and you get infinite random numbers.

Generalizing these, will lead to eastern (budhist) theories about the Universe, Materia and how it started.

When once all negative parts come together (-1) and all positive ones as well (+1), the material world will collapse, only the sublimed idea will exist: that's NIRVANA.

NIRVANA, the absolute peace.

C_Coder
10-27-2001, 07:27 AM
we are just circling through time, in the beginning the universe was created and in the end it will be destroyed, at which point it will be created again and the same evoloution will take place. Therefore we will all be having this conversation again in 10 billion years time. And we have already had this conversation an unknown number of times before.

Pendragon
10-27-2001, 07:32 AM
An interesting theory C_Coder... remotely possible too.

mfc2themax
10-27-2001, 07:35 AM
>same evoloution will take place.<

How can you be sure that all the exactly right elements will come together in the same way????? And if humans exist for another billion years, or even a million, i strongly believe we will have the technology to travel to other universes, and save humans from extinction.

Pendragon
10-27-2001, 07:41 AM
There are a hell of a lot of ifs, buts and maybes about the origins of the universe, life on other planets and so forth... we can debate forever what is possible or most likely but it's nlikely we'll have the technology to find out what really happened. Not within the next few hundred years at least...

C_Coder
10-27-2001, 07:45 AM
i strongly believe we will have the technology to travel to other universes, and save humans from extinction.


even travalling at the speed of light it would take millions of years to travel to the end of our universe that we have discovered and how much more of it lies beyond that?
and as the universe is expanding those distances are being increased rapidly, no all will be destroyed before we have even travelled to another solar system, unless of course we discover how to use particle teleportation to other systems and though possible it has been shown that there is not enough energy in our solar system to power such a device, as we know it.

Carlos
10-27-2001, 07:45 AM
It doesn't really matter what happenes inbetween, the BEGINNING and the END what really counts.

As it starts to end, and it ends to start...

Pendragon
10-27-2001, 07:50 AM
I don't really see why people are so desperate to see what lies beyond our galaxy...

...it doesn't bother me a hell of a lot because I don't need that kind of knowledge to get through the day. There are so many theories is it really worth debating those as we have so little evidence of what is actually there or not there as the case may be?

Carlos
10-27-2001, 07:50 AM
Like an INTELLIGENCE searching for clues...Maybe the Universe itself tries to find out the reason, why does IT exist, therefore creates huge "logical circuits" (L.I.F.E.) and puts them to work.
Endless loop...

What about this one? ;)

Carlos
10-27-2001, 07:54 AM
>> I don't really see why people are so desperate to see what lies beyond our galaxy...

From my point of view, each lifeform has this "curiousity" native. Just another piece from the BIG CIRCUIT, searching for THE ANSWER (see above).

Pendragon
10-27-2001, 07:54 AM
What about this one? ;)

COOL! I've seen worse...

Pendragon
10-27-2001, 07:57 AM
From my point of view, each lifeform has this "curiousity" native.

Not me... though 'nosy' is a pretty good description. :)


It's a good theory...

C_Coder
10-27-2001, 07:58 AM
I think this may be the best thread I've read for ages. The subject of space and time facinates the hell out of me and I watch all the crappy documentries on TV, i'ts like did you know that time travels faster the more gravity is acting on it. So when you are in a plane at 30,000ft you are aging less than somone standing on the surface of the earth!!! Of course the difference is so small we never notice it

Pendragon
10-27-2001, 07:59 AM
...far better than the one that says animals created man and are observing and monitoring our behaviour everyday. Like a huge lab experiment.

Pendragon
10-27-2001, 08:00 AM
C_Coder. Which best describes you...

...philosopher or scientist?

C_Coder
10-27-2001, 08:06 AM
C_Coder. Which best describes you...
...philosopher or scientist


I think maybe something more like:

not very well informed but curious

:D :D :D

Pendragon
10-27-2001, 08:08 AM
LOL!;) :p

-KEN-
10-27-2001, 09:51 AM
>>Kinda like SimCity.

AAA!! HELP!!! There's a gigantic newspaper covering the sky!

Hmmm...such a hard topic for discussion. It's fascinationg to no end, but we barely have any proof to back ourselves up. It's all theories and such...but here's my two cents ANYway...

For one, I don't beleive time travel will ever be possible. It stems from my belief that time doesn't exist, it's just something used to coordinate when (although how can there be a "when" without time?) something happens. I mean, think about it. What IS time? Just a perpetual counter. So how can turning back a counter possibly take us back to another moment? And the more I think about it the harder it is to explain what I'm trying to say. I mean, think about how come people think we can go back through time. They think that going around in circles faster than the speed of light will somehow transport us around to previous or future moments in time. Well for one thing those previous moments haven't happened yet, so how can you see them? and if you DID somehow manage that, how can you get back to YOUR time? It's already passed by, you can't go back there. The only reason I say it could be possbile to "visit" the future is because if you're going that fast you'll most likely age slower or even stop aging. So in the blink of an eye you could be 100 years ahead of everyone else, and you didn't even notice.

Ow! My head is starting to hurt...

Procyon
10-27-2001, 10:08 AM
The many-worlds interpretation of quantum mechanics:

A near-infinitude of parallel universes are created every instant by the probabilitic nature of quantum mechanics. That is, at its most fundamental level every particle in the universe have, rather than definitive parameters (momentum/position) describing them, a range of possible parameters described by a probability function. When these parameters are measured by an observer, the particle apparently "selects" parameters based on the probability function. There is absolutely no reason for it to select one specific parameter over another, it is random. However, there is an alternate interpretation: instead of choosing only one parameter, it chose all of them, creating a vast number of alternate universes, all of which actually exist outside our own. Similarly every quantum-mechanical probability contraction (such as an observation) in the universe also creates a vast number of universes for all possibilities, resulting in a near-infinitude of universes geing generated every instant.

However, since an observer can only exist in one universe at a time, we see only one universe, even though we are constantly thrown down these branching pathways. Other universes have other versions of ourselves that similiarly experience only their own universe.

Because every quantum-mechanical possibility has its own universe, every universe that could possibly exist within the laws of science exists somewhere. For example, a universe exactly like our own except the human race is lorded over by flying, talking dogs with silicon brains exists in a separate timeline.

This is actually a leading philosophical interpretation of quantum mechanics. The only other one I know of, the Copenhagen interpretation, involves living-dead cats and other problems.

Breach23
10-27-2001, 10:25 AM
My theory is that the movie "The matrix" sucked....

Betazep
10-27-2001, 12:09 PM
I believe human beings are a disease. (believed this before the matrix)

We have minds and heightened awareness that is defined by our own reason. We are generally self-serving and selfish as a people.

Even the trash we pick up, that we have made, is only to make us feel better about not killing the animals, or not having trash blowing around our cities. Our cities and towns litter the land anyway and drive the animals into exile.

We procreate and expand at an increadibly high rate. Higher than any other mammal. We eagerly devour our food sources and our energy sources. We stop at nothing for the advancement of our colonies even at the expense of the colonies of our brethren.

We want our economies to soar, our cars to be better built (or to have cars if we are third world), our food amounts to expand and taste better, our worries and troubles to disappear like dirt under the carpet... all while feeding our insatiable greed.

I am going to start a poll in a new thread about this....

rick barclay
10-27-2001, 12:27 PM
We are all just a part of somebody's Civ II tournament.

On the subject of "The Matrix," I'm with Breach 23. But if
you guys like it, I'll publish it. (Diffrent fokes, diffrent strokes)

rick barclay

DavidP
10-27-2001, 02:48 PM
My theories/philosophies/cool sayings/etc/etc/etc:

1. We see the past, we hear the past, yet we are in the present.

2. Without a pure soul we cannot give sight to blind eyes, but will only blind ourselves.

3. If at first you dont succeed, destroy all evidence that you tried.

4. Urine + Electric fence = bad

5. boredom.....it is the very essence...of boredom....

6. Have you ever been on an airplane where they sold marijuana?

7. Stop the madness! The machine gun like sounds and slow keyboard responses are driving me insane!

8. I just fixed a small computer glitch/problem/annoyance/apocalypse/end of the world disaster/we're all going to die! kind of problem

9. A horse is a horse. There is no excuse for Hungarian notation.

C_Coder
10-27-2001, 03:47 PM
4. Urine + Electric fence = bad


I dunno about that DavidP I find it's quite an enjoyable sensation

Aran
10-27-2001, 06:20 PM
Here is my grand theory of lots of things that are unnamed because i have yet to list them all:

Things don't exist when you don't see them. You are the center of the universe, and no one else matters because they don't really exist as far as you are concerned. You have no reason to believe that they exist. Even though this is true, people still are nice to each other because they are humans and have humanity, wich intrinsically makes them want to help each other because they percieve that the others have humanity as well as them, and when they are vulnerable, their humanity is shown brazen and this draws a helping hand.

Everything that you sense, you destroy. As soon as you sense something, you destroy what it really is and create a perception of it that is not completely true or is completely false. This is because once you sense something you jump to hundreds of conclusions involving not only complex ideas, but simple ones, such as "this wall is white", well, the wall isn't white. These conclusions that are jumped to create a new object in the place of the old object. This new object takes on the properties that you placed on the old one. This goes down to the deepest and most hidden parts of everything. Everything is open to interpretation, and the interpretation is the destruction of the actual idea or object. An idea or object cannot be sensed in it's pure form, because of the aforementioned preconceptions and conclusions. Everything we know is wrong, in short, but, since everything is wrong, nothing is right. Because humanity naturally takes the positive for granted, we believe that everything is all right, instead of being all wrong, although they are, in a way the same.

Procyon
10-27-2001, 06:49 PM
So do other people exist in their own separate universes, or do they not exist at all?

Why should interpretation destroy the original object? If you forget your interpretation does it come back?