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Maverik
05-03-2003, 05:45 PM
Ok this is far-fetched but just try and deal with me while I explain it.

I've just got done a discussion with my friend and he thinks that there is some kind of technology that is already available where they have a computer screen in glasses [regular sunglasses or reading glasses or whatever] where you can look at it and see the screen. AND your eye would be the "mouse". He also thinks that there is some kind of program out that types on the computer(while in a program like word or notebook) where you think of what to write and it types it up on the screen.

To me this is the biggest bunch of bull$$$$ I have EVER heard. He also thinks that soon we will be able to have an "operation" that puts a computer into your brain and it does whatever you want it to.

Well needless to say, the end of this discussion resulted with me calling him an idiot and then proceeding to punch him in the face.

But I want to know what you guys think.

Thanks for reading all of that,

-Bill

The Dog
05-03-2003, 05:52 PM
Well, you should've told him that the year is 2003, not 3002!:D

IMO, such technology is still far, far, far away....

thePope
05-03-2003, 06:04 PM
I remember on Beyond 2000 they actually had "Computer screen glasses"...Wonder what ever happened to them...

And there is technology where your eye can act as a mouse, they project a lazer onto your eye and determe at what angle your eye is looking at and determines where on the screen you're looking...I don't know if it's commercially available, I saw a special where some disabled person used it...I imagine it's a $$$$$ to control...it might've been scrapped...

SourceCode
05-03-2003, 06:11 PM
Yes I was thinking the same thing about the mouse being controlled with the human eye. It would be even harder if you were wearing sunglasses, I don't see that as a useful tool except for people with disabilities like the previous poster said.

To have the computer type your thoughts and to have a computer implanted in the brain will be very possible someday I think.
For all we know that technology could already exist, but I doubt it. Nothing is impossible.

golfinguy4
05-03-2003, 06:55 PM
At one point, they were devloping a mouse that was controlled by your thoughts. I don't know if they are still doing it though.

ygfperson
05-03-2003, 07:21 PM
Originally posted by Maverik
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Well needless to say, the end of this discussion resulted with me calling him an idiot and then proceeding to punch him in the face.

But I want to know what you guys think.

Thanks for reading all of that,

-Bill
You punched him in the face over this little thing?

Maverik
05-03-2003, 08:58 PM
no i didn't punch him in the face dude. It's just something i say when I think people are coming up with bullshyt. Sorry to confuse everyone

But I guess I'll have to search a little more on this eye "laser-beam" mouse. Sounds pretty interesting

-Bill

CheesyMoo
05-03-2003, 09:28 PM
Maybe he was confused and thought that optic mouse meant optical mouse(as in your eye)

Cheeze-It
05-03-2003, 10:06 PM
There are things out there that allow you to control the mouse-
cursor with your eye; and there are wearable computers that
go over your eyes. I'm not sure if they've been combined...

... do, da, dah...

Kinasz
05-03-2003, 10:11 PM
I saw a documentry on TV where there was a thing that you could learn to control a mouse with your thoughts. They put some electronics inside your head in an operation. It was for quadraplegics and stuff. They also said that they think they could make it work so you could type with it eventually but I they were only talking about the possibility when i saw it.

Scourfish
05-03-2003, 10:17 PM
they do have tiny lcds with lenses that can project an image on your glasses. But it's experimental and is basically a really tiny projector that attaches to the frame of your galsses.

vasanth
05-03-2003, 11:15 PM
The operation stuff might be crap in present day situation.. But the rest he was right.. The mouse controlled by the eyes is already available but still in development stage....

http://www.itu.dk/people/malte/eyeTrackEng.html
http://www.abilityhub.com/mouse/eyegaze.htm
http://www.eyetechds.com/


so dont laugh at that fellow....


and about the glasses.. You dont have an entire computer in the glasses yet.. but there are glasses that can display like a monitor..

http://sanjose.bizjournals.com/sanjose/stories/2001/12/10/story8.html
http://bugc.org/Notices/99/Apr/PDA_Apr13.txt


Ideas is what makes man progress.. let your imagination run wild.. and that may be the future..

adrianxw
05-04-2003, 02:10 AM
The technology necessary to move a "pointer" with your eye exists, and is actually old. Some 25 years back, there were a series of experiments done where car drivers had this technology fitted. A TV camera "looked" forward, and a small cross showed where the driver was looking. The experiments were conducted by the Transport and Road Research Laboratory in Crowthorne, England.

The experiments were designed to see where drivers were looking whilst driving - the aim was to identify and possibly remove distracting objects. Unfortunately for the experimenters, the most distracting objects were found to be things they could not remove, namely, women.

Xei
05-04-2003, 10:14 PM
The eye glasses with screens do exist(I am uncertain if they use some sort of LCD, or if it is projected). It's not that complicated, actually. However, I have never heard of your eye being a Pointer(Although it should be possible by using a camera which studies your eye); Voice Recognition would make much more sense. But controlling things with your mind? I believe that is possible to the extent that it works for that ONE individual it is calibrated, but only for simple things like: Getting mad, happy, or energetic... things like that, but not things like the device knowing 'exactly' what you are thinking, cause that is BS.

confuted
05-04-2003, 10:36 PM
yeah...it's not going to tell what you're thinking...but if you could learn to think a specific thing for each direction you want the mouse to move, it would cause electrical activity in different parts of the brain, which could be detected and used to control the cursor. I'm not sure how well it would work, though...it might be funny if you let your mind wander.

beege31337
05-05-2003, 12:30 AM
Actually the thing about the eye movement controlling the mouse is sort of true.

Some of the U.S. airforce's newest fighter jets allow the weapons to be aimed by looking at the target. They just watch the pilots eyes and feed back the position into the targeting system.

The second idea is just BS.

Jeremy G
05-05-2003, 02:22 AM
Seems very much like he elaborated ..err thats not the word.. the word where you inflate something beyond reality.. $$$$.. I know this ... all well.. seems like hes elaborated on a scientific american eppisode where they went to MIT and they had computer geeks using sunglasses and light head goggles as computer screen carrying the computer itself in phanny type packs and backpacks too. They also covered in the same eppisode a brand new vision procedure for the blind where they implant a tiny processor into the brain with wiring that comes out behind the ear. The wiring connects to a minicamera in the special sun glasses and allows blind to see in dotted monochrome vision. Very amazing (and TRUE) stuff.

Maverik
05-05-2003, 09:07 AM
I think the word you were looking for is exaggerate.

-Bill

Liger86
05-05-2003, 10:46 AM
All this sounds sooo good!

netboy
05-05-2003, 11:13 AM
Wait... This discussion is all about moving the cursor with eye... How about Left-clicking, double-clicking and Right-clicking?
:D

Jeremy G
05-05-2003, 01:11 PM
Originally posted by netboy
Wait... This discussion is all about moving the cursor with eye... How about Left-clicking, double-clicking and Right-clicking?
:D

If you are assuming the technology does exist to ask the question--then really think about it.. You do have a left and right eye. hence blink once, blink twice..So assuming that there was such technology the how to have mouse functions via the eye is quite trivial.

netboy
05-06-2003, 05:37 AM
Don't forget we have Drap & Drop as well!
Also how about some option that need both left and right click to be activated in the same time? Eg. Logitech has a mouse driver that need the 2 buttons to be clicked at the same time to scroll programs.

confuted
05-06-2003, 01:54 PM
So don't program the driver like that and you're fine! It's easy. And drag and drop could be done with one eye closed and the other moving.

netboy
05-07-2003, 01:45 AM
You guys seriously believe all these could turn to reality???

vasanth
05-07-2003, 05:27 AM
$$$$ you guys.. i already gave u links which seel these equipment.. it is all possible... the mouse thinge...

They use it here in some tests to see where the driver sees when a curve approches..

GoodStuff
05-08-2003, 03:13 AM
If you metaphorically punched him in the face, he shoulda punched you back.

Most of the tech he discussed is here.

1. LCD screens in glasses. Done - Look for wearable PCs on the net.
2. Eye-controlled curson. Done, but not usefull. Takes too much hardware at the moment. Usually infrared light shone onto eye, camera calculates angle of eye, with blinks for clicks.
3. Mind-control keyboard. Possibly done. MC is very crude, mostly binary descision like yes/no, up down, etc. Have to make several selections to type one letter.
4. PC in brain. Here you just gotta be patient. Its coming closer very fast. The tech is developing so quickly - Just the other day they finally began developing tissue-non-destructive electrones, ie. wires into your brain that don't kill cells.

However, none of these technologies are integrated yet. Closest we got are wearable PCs. With electrodes int he brain you can get a practically unlimited human-machine interface. It's scary stuff. Matrix style.

Gus

adrianxw
05-08-2003, 03:49 AM
>>>
PC in brain. Here you just gotta be patient. Its coming closer very fast. The tech is developing so quickly - Just the other day they finally began developing tissue-non-destructive electrones, ie. wires into your brain that don't kill cells.
<<<

This is just about there with things like cochlear implants. (http://www.cochlear.com/english/) At the moment, the processor is outside of the body and communicates with the implant via an rf field, but one Danish company Oticon, (http://www.oticon.com/eprise/main/Oticon/DK_da/_index) (sorry it's in Danish), recently announced a smarter implant in which the speech processor etc., is built into the implant.

GoodStuff
05-08-2003, 08:05 AM
I know about those. Those are the closest some-one's ever come to making a machine-to-human input without actually implanting electroned in the brain. The implants fit in the spiral thing in your ear, the one that usually absorbs sound waves into nerve signals.

See, they only work for ppl who have those nerves intact but have screwed-up earbones or eardrum or sound transmission into that shell thing.

Ever hear of Kevin Warwick? He's a British guy that thinks way to much of himself. He implanted a RFID chip in his arm and then wrote a book about himself being the first ever true cyborg.

I think that people with cochleat implants have first stake in that field if anyone ever wanted to find the "first true cyborg".

Kevin Warwick's claim is just plain lame. I mean, if a pet has an RFID chip implanted, which is done quite often now, does that make your pet a cyborg?!?

"Oooh, I got a bionic dog !!!" Pfffft. I just remembered. There was actually a show about a bionic dog. First the bionic man, then woman, boy, girl and finally came the bionic dog. 70s SciFi. *Shudder*

Gus

Xei
05-08-2003, 09:01 AM
Originally posted by GoodStuff
I know about those. Those are the closest some-one's ever come to making a machine-to-human input without actually implanting electroned in the brain. The implants fit in the spiral thing in your ear, the one that usually absorbs sound waves into nerve signals.

See, they only work for ppl who have those nerves intact but have screwed-up earbones or eardrum or sound transmission into that shell thing.

Ever hear of Kevin Warwick? He's a British guy that thinks way to much of himself. He implanted a RFID chip in his arm and then wrote a book about himself being the first ever true cyborg.

I think that people with cochleat implants have first stake in that field if anyone ever wanted to find the "first true cyborg".

Kevin Warwick's claim is just plain lame. I mean, if a pet has an RFID chip implanted, which is done quite often now, does that make your pet a cyborg?!?

"Oooh, I got a bionic dog !!!" Pfffft. I just remembered. There was actually a show about a bionic dog. First the bionic man, then woman, boy, girl and finally came the bionic dog. 70s SciFi. *Shudder*

Gus
I heard of some guy doing something like that, too. I immediately dismissed it because it's so retarded.

mart_man00
05-08-2003, 03:54 PM
i hate to ask this, but wheres a good place to get the all of the series? i dont like the sites that want registration(one wanted my adress, something im not giving) and others are way to slow.

any one going to see the matrix when it comes out?

frenchfry164
05-08-2003, 04:23 PM
I was watching TechTV one time, and there was someone blind who got to use the computer. They stuck her head in this box thing and they connected some stuff to them, and she was able to see the screen in her mind. She could control the mouse with her eye (they had this thing that covered her eye, and it worked like a mouse ball:D). This is no joke.

Xei
05-08-2003, 05:00 PM
Hoax, maybe? What exact did they connect to her head? Cause I'm pretty sure you can't just transmit pictures into peoples brains.

adrianxw
05-09-2003, 03:42 AM
Ah, retinal implants have arrived...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/3011827.stm