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Unregd
04-29-2003, 06:19 PM
Whether you have hated almost every action President Bush has taken since his inauguration or loved every word that has come out of his mouth, President Bush may now be proposing something beneficial to everyone, especially the poor and undereducated people in Africa and the Caribbean. His proposal is a glimmer of the compassionate that I would like to see in compassionate conservatives. In this case, President Bush may be bringing U.S. support to a war everyone would like to see won: the war against AIDS.

White House news release: http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2003/04/20030429-5.html

Xterria
04-29-2003, 06:29 PM
unregd huh....
whos paying you?

mart_man00
04-29-2003, 07:15 PM
i hate all the bush bashers, there all liberal/democratic/ball-less/momas boy communists. this is one of the few things i dont like about bush. the us has paind for everything. where is it going to end? so we need to raise taxes so we can give more away? we dont have any probelms here? "minorities" dont have to pay taxes and were woundering why it doenst add up?

i think my global teacher said it best, we dont need a change, we need a revolution!!!!

i now this is kinda a ramble but ive been hearing alot of commuists lately. im surprised about how many techies are commies to.

wonder how long its gonna take for a flame.....or something about gore creating the internet or clinton not being the us version of hitler.

Eibro
04-29-2003, 07:34 PM
Originally posted by mart_man00
i hate all the bush bashers, there all liberal/democratic/ball-less/momas boy communists. this is one of the few things i dont like about bush. the us has paind for everything. where is it going to end? so we need to raise taxes so we can give more away? we dont have any probelms here? "minorities" dont have to pay taxes and were woundering why it doenst add up?

i think my global teacher said it best, we dont need a change, we need a revolution!!!!

i now this is kinda a ramble but ive been hearing alot of commuists lately. im surprised about how many techies are commies to.

wonder how long its gonna take for a flame.....or something about gore creating the internet or clinton not being the us version of hitler. You're either the most retarded person i've ever had the pleasure of coming across, or a very clever troll.

SAMSAM
04-29-2003, 08:01 PM
Eibro


You're either the most retarded person i've ever had the pleasure of coming across, or a very clever troll.


I am upset at you Eibro.
I was typing a similar sentence when i noticed your post came first. late by a few seconds ah well.:p



liberal/democratic/ball-less/momas boy communists


I just found out that liberal democrats& communists are
the same. :rolleyes:
and they all belong to an exclusive club of men without balls.

How Did you discover their ball_lessness?

I guess it was a private moment.:D

mart_man00
04-29-2003, 08:23 PM
How Did you discover their ball_lessness?
atleast theres a clever commey out there :D

ive been calling every one that lately....


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You're either the most retarded person i've ever had the pleasure of coming across, or a very clever troll. .

normally i would argue for a while about this, but it never pays off.
take alook at the average(not all, but most) democrats/liberal and check out the reblicans and conservatives? who follows the constition? who wants to spend american money in amerca first and then see about 3rd world countries? who actuallys stands for something(no one wanted to go after hitler when he became the chan-so-ler when people new that *something* would happen. we couldnt just take him. he had planes to cause some havoc here, he sent a team over here. luckily one man turned in them all).

how can you agree any of this stuff? wow, bush wanted to attack a countried that attacked us first. bush wanted to attack a country that would do if they could, could do it soon(years) and could possibly do it reallys soon. bush doesnt think people who make more that minium wage should pay more than half there pay check for taxes, even thought there so "rich"

they only thing i dont like about his administration is something ive beend hearing about his guys and the iraa and the dmca. some of the homeland security is bull but atleast hes doing something.

what would clinton/gore do? goto the un so in a mear 20years we can hear how we are always wrong. we only fight every war. pay for every war. and attempt to help out other countries.

the whole political correctness has gotten out of hand. even textbooks are changing for the democrats/liberal. what little about the us/people from europe before the us get in my textbooks(i am in high school) always seems to make us to be the bad guys or just not important.

something got to change here. while some democrats say they are proud democrats and are opposed to everthing i just said, i think that makes then republicans!!!!

if this wasnt a rant before, its a rant now....

vinson
04-29-2003, 09:19 PM
I like Bush (or at least I think he's better than Gore would have been), but the American government has the duty to spend American money on Americans, not people across the globe, no matter how bad they might need it.

TravisS
04-29-2003, 11:49 PM
Originally posted by vinson
I like Bush (or at least I think he's better than Gore would have been), but the American government has the duty to spend American money on Americans, not people across the globe, no matter how bad they might need it.

I agree.

There's a simple stop to aids. Abstinance. Or monogomy with a clean partner, your pick. No, it doesn't stop blood transfered aids, but it sure is one hell of a way to stop it. Best of all, it's free.

novacain
04-30-2003, 01:08 AM
"The price of advanced antiretroviral (ARV) drugs, which can effectively suppress the AIDS virus in infected people, has fallen from more than $12,000 to under $300 per year."

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2003/01/20030129-1.html

"According to the UN, nearly half sub-Saharan Africa's 600m people live on less than $1 a day; the trend in life expectancy is declining; and improvements in health and education have been minimal in the last decade. Despite high growth rates, Ghana's average wage of just under $400 a year is the same as 40 years ago. "

http://www.guardian.co.uk/globalisation/story/0,7369,722865,00.html

Even a "liberal/democratic/ball-less/momas boy communists" like me can see that these peolpe need a living wage to survive.

mart_man00
04-30-2003, 05:28 AM
Even a "liberal/democratic/ball-less/momas boy communists" like me can see that these peolpe need a living wage to survive. :D

so we have no probelms here? no such thing as a poor person in america? no unemployment? we dont have any potheads or people with diseases? i wouldnt mind it if america was fixed up a little more.

Govtcheez
04-30-2003, 05:33 AM
Originally posted by Eibro
You're either the most retarded person i've ever had the pleasure of coming across, or a very clever troll. Quoted for emphasis. Well, I'll emphasize the first part, at least.

> so we have no probelms here?

Nope, it's a Utopia. Jackass.

You know, martman - some boards aren't good fits for some people. Some people just don't meet the minimum intelligence requirement to have a reasonable conversation. Maybe you should try nickelodeon.com's boards or something.

GanglyLamb
04-30-2003, 05:45 AM
I've read the first post along with the link and also the others; But its strange it seems that HIV/AIDS is facts that exists on its own, first you have to make sure that a country where you want to reduce HIV infections has a good economy. Coz you (rich countries) cant keep paying for campaigns and whatever to inform ppl and to buy prevention stuff.

Its not that im not willing to help al these ppl but you have to look at the real problem, its not for nothing that HIV/AIDS is wideley spread in poor regions/countries. I mean there are alot more HIV infected persons in Africa then there are in Europe or wherever.

So i think before you can start a "war" against AIDS you have to start a war against poverty.

I'm just starting to realize how bad some situations are since im going away next year for a year to Nigeria to do voluntary work.

Europe_is_cool
04-30-2003, 06:25 AM
I think a more important issue is the was against US ignorance.

First, the US need to get some free media and some freedom of speech.

GanglyLamb
04-30-2003, 06:34 AM
I think a more important issue is the was against US ignorance.

First, the US need to get some free media and some freedom of speech.

Seems to me ur looking to get flamed.....

And i couldnt disagree more with you, we Europeans have great lifes Americans also have great ways of living there life.... but lots off ppl arent, i suggest you open ur eyez and watch some tele. Even from such a "evilised-medium" you can learn whats going on..im off

BTW in case you didnt saw it, i live in belgium (Europe) so dont say im defending the US coz i live there.

Europe_is_cool
04-30-2003, 06:49 AM
For those of you who haven't got it, I intented to write "I think a more important issue is the WAR against US ignorance".

But just look at this:

"The street corners of Tikrit were decorated with homemade shrines to Saddam Hussein yesterday, small portraits decked with flowers lying on the pavements. The US had banned all birthday celebrations at Saddam's birthplace and former powerbase, but throughout the town residents marked the former dictator's 66th birthday with quiet defiance."
http://www.pakistanidefenceforum.com/index.php?act=ST&f=8&t=11194&

Is that what the US call freedom???

And do you know what media was and what media wasn't allowed to report from the Gulf war?

The US goverment, with it's Messian politics, is evil. I feel sorry for most of the people living in it. First, we need to encourage, but of course not force, people in the US to give up the Christian faith, which has happened to a large extent over here in Europe. It's purely en-stupiding, not like a scientific religion, like Islam.

FillYourBrain
04-30-2003, 07:08 AM
I beg you. shut up.

I get the feeling TrollKing found his way back

Europe_is_cool
04-30-2003, 07:12 AM
Originally posted by FillYourBrain
I beg you. shut up.
I beg you. Apply your User Name.

FillYourBrain
04-30-2003, 07:28 AM
Hi dean

Govtcheez
04-30-2003, 09:43 AM
Can't be - dean never would have posted a link. ;)

(and it's not his IP. I know there are ways around that, but still)

Clyde
04-30-2003, 09:45 AM
hate all the bush bashers, there all liberal/democratic/ball-less/momas boy communists. this is one of the few things i dont like about bush. the us has paind for everything. where is it going to end? so we need to raise taxes so we can give more away? we dont have any probelms here? "minorities" dont have to pay taxes and were woundering why it doenst add up?

i think my global teacher said it best, we dont need a change, we need a revolution!!!!

i now this is kinda a ramble but ive been hearing alot of commuists lately. im surprised about how many techies are commies to.

wonder how long its gonna take for a flame.....or something about gore creating the internet or clinton not being the us version of hitler.



You sir are a bonafide moron.

Fountain
04-30-2003, 10:53 AM
<<The US goverment, with it's Messian politics, is evil. I feel sorry for most of the people living in it. First, we need to encourage, but of course not force, people in the US to give up the Christian faith, which has happened to a large extent over here in Europe. It's purely en-stupiding, not like a scientific religion, like Islam.>>






Originally posted by Govtcheez
Can't be - dean never would have posted a link. ;)

(and it's not his IP. I know there are ways around that, but still)

And there is no way he would have said the crack about giving up Christianity and the bollocks about Islam being a scientific religion.

Unless of course the 'scientific' bit means 'how to blow yourself up and kill others'-That is a science I guess.

I think we can ALL see the way this thread is going and what the guest had in mind...So I say it should be closed.

:rolleyes:

FillYourBrain
04-30-2003, 11:01 AM
you may be right. and he probably would have sent me threatening email by now. But he does change themes now and then. Remember he was pro-.NET/Microsoft and suddenly became linux man.

Europe_is_cool
04-30-2003, 11:02 AM
It's thanks to Islam that you ever learned how to count to 10!

minesweeper
04-30-2003, 11:28 AM
>>It's thanks to Islam that you ever learned how to count to 10!<<

Nah, that one goes to my dad. And no, he's not Islamic.

Clyde
04-30-2003, 11:51 AM
"It's thanks to Islam that you ever learned how to count to 10!"

Christianty did not create Newton's laws of motion, Judaism was not the driving force behind General relativity and Islam was not responsible for the advances in mathematics that occured in Arab countries between the ancient Greeks and the European renaissance.

Govtcheez
04-30-2003, 01:01 PM
Originally posted by minesweeper
Nah, that one goes to my dad. And no, he's not Islamic. My dad can beat up your dad.

> Remember he was pro-.NET/Microsoft and suddenly became linux man.

Actually, before you came around, he was very (very very) pro-Linux. He flipflops. I'm sure he'll be the .NET crusader again in a few months.

mart_man00
04-30-2003, 02:16 PM
well i said it before, i gave up talking about any of this. the real problem is you get labeled and then no one listens any more. republicans are always hillbillie war mongerours and democrats only care about the economy(which they never really fix in the 1st place. clinton didnt do anything, its called the internet).

and with the other remarks, i love how every body will argue with everything american. they war is wrong, were always wrong. id love to see a draft. watch every one run.

all parties have their probelms, i guess being a idependant is the way to go(i bet every one is trying to come up withe some factor jokes right about now, after all, its the us's fault, foreverthing).

i wish i made the other post a poll.

Clyde
04-30-2003, 04:46 PM
"i love how every body will argue with everything american"

I only "argue with everything American" with right wing ultra nationalistic nutters, in my circle of friends i normally argue pro-America.

CoderBob
04-30-2003, 04:57 PM
People argue with what's accepted as normal because it's the only way to test it thoroughly. Would you prefer that people accept everything they are told, as you have, for instance, by your refusal to acknowledge that many pre-revolution settlers were racist and exploitative? You can do the homework and learn about it yourself. The point is simple -- if you don't question, you won't learn a great deal about anything. Of course, if you don't accept answers, you won't learn anything either, and you have to find some middle ground. But simply to dismiss people as anti-US without taking a good look at their arguments is labelling exactly of the sort you are against.

ygfperson
04-30-2003, 05:20 PM
Originally posted by mart_man00
well i said it before, i gave up talking about any of this. the real problem is you get labeled and then no one listens any more.
Too late.



and with the other remarks, i love how every body will argue with everything american. they war is wrong, were always wrong. id love to see a draft. watch every one run.
Is that the only reason you want to see a draft? Liberals have been calling for it too, for a totally different reason. Do some research and find out what it is.



all parties have their probelms, i guess being a idependant is the way to go(i bet every one is trying to come up withe some factor jokes right about now, after all, its the us's fault, foreverthing).

i wish i made the other post a poll.
I wish you spelled at least one word right in a sentence.

Try sticking to one point and supporting it with evidence.

mart_man00
04-30-2003, 05:27 PM
CoderBob, nice way of putting it. back then i could arguie with what was going on, but that was decades and decades ago. now theres talk of reparations, unemployment isnt enought any more? if they actually meet the family member i could see some trama, or if there person was alive i could see some cash, but not after this many years.

alot "minorities" use theres difference as a excuse. like where i live, i have alot of native "americans". alot of them are ok. they dont complain about every little thing, not dont get arrest everyday and they dont blame white people for everything. but the other 80% are practicaly fellons in high school, will never have a job but still whin about everything. but theres still reservations, theres still no tax and alot of other crap. since when does making white people(the then majority that did do alot of horrible things) kiss every one elses asses make equality? it has gotten rediculas.

you should question everything, but you should also know when to shutup. do you really thing we should tell where weapons of mass destructtion are? give away are hand? make our job harder? if we tell about the weapons they werent be there to be disarmed. maybe even stolen by another group. if we tell how we got it, the source becomes useless. how many americans do we have to let die? idealy no one would die, but how many revolutions were bloodless? if someone has to die you have to have alittle pride and what it to be somewhere else. personally, i wish we just took out the bunckers we knew he was in or may be in and his weapons years ago. it would take out the dictator and the weapons the major problem. a new gov would have to be set up, but isnt that what the un is for? arent there charitites thta would help out? we could give them help with airlifts and free rides but why do we always pick up the bill.

Govtcheez
04-30-2003, 05:28 PM
> the real problem is you get labeled

Said the man who started the "what party are you" thread. We're not arguing with you because you have a label. We're arguing with you because you're a god damn moron.

mart_man00
04-30-2003, 05:33 PM
this thread moves to fast.


Said the man who started the "what party are you" thread. We're not arguing with you because you have a label. We're arguing with you because you're a god damn moron.

hmm.....taxes should goto americans. taxes should be a huge chunk of average people paycheck. we should try to help every single person in the world. we shouldnt pick up every bill. such terrible ideas, but atleast with clinton we had a good economy. it was the internet at all, it was mr bjs work that did it.

same crap different party. why are you even posting? no more communist meetings? o well just yell hiel democrats(insider joke).

-KEN-
04-30-2003, 05:56 PM
>> or a very clever troll.

Bleh, not even clever. :( Give me dean over these new troll pansies any day!

nutter
04-30-2003, 08:28 PM
It's thanks to Islam that you ever learned how to count to 10!


And I was always under the impression that the Hindus came up with Arabic numerals, and the Arabs just played a role in "importing" them to Europe. Silly me...

And you can count to 10 in Roman numerals (though they are amazingly cumbersome). Since it is obvious you have never learned about them, I will give you a short demonstration. I, II, III, IV, V, VI, VII, VIII, IX, X. It's like magic!

TravisS
05-01-2003, 12:12 AM
I don't understand why so many people post as guests. Are you really so embarsed by your own opinions you must hide from others?

I stand by what I said earlier. We can't help them solve their aids problem by simply handing out drugs and giving them treatment. We must stop them from getting aids in the first place! Only through education is there a fighting chance. If we just hand out drugs, the situation will only get worse.

Educate first, cure the already ill. If the future generations do not listen to their eduction, and do not actively try to prevent themselves from getting sick in the first place, I do not want MY money going to them. Sorry, I just don't.

There's too much wrong in America for us to be throwing our money to other countries. You know what I just heard today? Legalized gambling in my state (Washington) may be expanded in order to bring in enough money to give educators a pay increase. Do you have any idea what kind of a pay increase they could get off of that 15 billion dollars?

Do you help your neighbor fix his garage door while your roof is collapsing? I really do wish we'd work on our own issues first, because as is so blindly obvious, there is many.

GanglyLamb
05-01-2003, 02:27 AM
Travis i totally agree with this


We can't help them solve their aids problem by simply handing out drugs and giving them treatment. We must stop them from getting aids in the first place! Only through education is there a fighting chance. If we just hand out drugs, the situation will only get worse.

Educate first, cure the already ill. If the future generations do not listen to their eduction, and do not actively try to prevent themselves from getting sick in the first place, I do not want MY money going to them. Sorry, I just don't.

But as i alrdy said a better thing would be to give the countries where AIDS is widelyspread a chance to become something on world-level... i know this will take a long time and by then millions will have died alrdy coz of AIDS. But you cant only solve the consequence (AIDS) but you have to solve the problem wich i poverty.

PS: Maybe this doenst really matter in this thread but hell, some ppl here where talking the regular american-underdog langauge.
Therefore i just wanted to say that if every single human being on this planet would live like an AVERAGE american then we would need 3 globes to put all these ppl on (thats included that on that planet resources are like oil, water etc just like on the earth).

Europe_is_cool
05-01-2003, 07:04 AM
Originally posted by nutter
And I was always under the impression that the Hindus came up with Arabic numerals, and the Arabs just played a role in "importing" them to Europe. Silly me...
It is true that the Arabs imported the actual figures from the Hindues, but it was a great Muslim man who was named Al-Khwarizimi, who was working in Baghdad, who came up with using the digit "0" for nothing, and the whole base 10 counting system. He also invented algebra. Without these inventions, there would probably not be any C++ - programming, so without him, this whole board would might not have existed.


Originally posted by nutter
And you can count to 10 in Roman numerals (though they are amazingly cumbersome). Since it is obvious you have never learned about them, I will give you a short demonstration. I, II, III, IV, V, VI, VII, VIII, IX, X. It's like magic!
And yes, you nut, I have indeed learned the Roman numerals, but which do you consider most efficient, "883" or "DCCCLXXXIII"?

SAMSAM
05-01-2003, 08:05 AM
It is true that the Arabs imported the actual figures from the Hindues, but it was a great Muslim man who was named Al-Khwarizimi,


First off his name was Kharrazmi not as arabs call him"al_khawarazi".

second:
he was from kharrazm area(eastern caspian sea) and not an Arab. He was a Persian ,as in the case of

majority of the philosepfers, poets, mathematicians of the era.

Europe_is_cool
05-01-2003, 08:33 AM
Originally posted by SAMSAM
he was from kharrazm area(eastern caspian sea) and not an Arab. He was a Persian ,as in the case of

majority of the philosepfers, poets, mathematicians of the era.
Did I ever say that this man was an Arab? A Muslim is not necesseraly an Arab you know, only one fifth of all the world's Muslims, is also Arab.

Yes, he was born in this area you mentioned, but he went to Baghdad.

Fountain
05-01-2003, 05:05 PM
Originally posted by Europe_is_cool
Did I ever say that this man was an Arab? A Muslim is not necesseraly an Arab you know, only one fifth of all the world's Muslims, is also Arab.

Yes, he was born in this area you mentioned, but he went to Baghdad.


Didnt I tell everyone the real reason this thread is here?

Close it, it is boring me. I could see it being transferred to 'war in iraq' thread though.

Am I the only one that can see what will happen. Yes Ken, lets ring back TK-he will flame them outa here!

novacain
05-01-2003, 08:16 PM
>> There's too much wrong in America for us to be throwing our money to other countries. <<

Because it is the right thing to do. Because they need help just to survive. These countries are poor so we can be rich. A lot more could be done if 40% of US foriegn aid did not go to the 16th richest country in the world in the form of arms.

Or would you rather wait until they decide that their only recourse to improve their lives is terrorism?

>>You know what I just heard today? Legalized gambling in my state (Washington) may be expanded in order to bring in enough money to give educators a pay increase. Do you have any idea what kind of a pay increase they could get off of that 15 billion dollars?<<

And where does the money come from? Mom's and Dads, money better spent on their families.
Having seen the addicts that inhabit a casino first hand I would not wish more gambling on my worst enemy.

>>Didnt I tell everyone the real reason this thread is here? Close it, it is boring me. I could see it being transferred to 'war in iraq' thread though.<<

I have an easy solution.

Go way.
Stop reading.
Turn the PC off and go outside.

Who is forcing you to spend your time here?

TravisS
05-01-2003, 08:33 PM
Originally posted by novacain

>>You know what I just heard today? Legalized gambling in my state (Washington) may be expanded in order to bring in enough money to give educators a pay increase. Do you have any idea what kind of a pay increase they could get off of that 15 billion dollars?<<

And where does the money come from? Mom's and Dads, money better spent on their families.
Having seen the addicts that inhabit a casino first hand I would not wish more gambling on my worst enemy.


I do hope you realize I'm not for it at all. My point was how screwed up it is that we have to increase gambling in order to give teachers a pay raise.

I just heard today there's a bill going through to potentially triple that 15 billion dollars. If we have enough money to give away an extra 30 billion dollars to other countries, why don't we use it on the things that we need?

WHurricane16
05-02-2003, 04:10 AM
Originally posted by novacain
>> There's too much wrong in America for us to be throwing our money to other countries. <<

Because it is the right thing to do. Because they need help just to survive. These countries are poor so we can be rich. A lot more could be done if 40% of US foriegn aid did not go to the 16th richest country in the world in the form of arms.

Or would you rather wait until they decide that their only recourse to improve their lives is terrorism?

>>Didnt I tell everyone the real reason this thread is here? Close it, it is boring me. I could see it being transferred to 'war in iraq' thread though.<<

I have an easy solution.

Go way.
Stop reading.
Turn the PC off and go outside.

Who is forcing you to spend your time here?[/B]

Excellent. Bravo. This man speaks truth!

I visit many boards and this was the first thread of this type that didn't get out of hand. I was very compelled to read every post. Here's my thoughts:

- About Bush: his accent may be annoying but I must admit he's a hell of a man. Everything he does seems to be decisive and he has a firm assurance about him. Clinton and Gore would never give you that. Hell, the only reason Clinton did something about Kosovo (I agreed with) was because he needed something to cover up the Lewinsky scandal (I didn't agree with)

- About AIDS in poor countries: Educate? Educate? Hmmmm...I'm sure they've been educated by AIDS enough. No one can fix a country's poor status if they have no economic foundation (trade) in the first place. Giving them our aid is the right thing to do. This is just one of the US "lead by example" tactics hoping other countries will jump in to. It usually works :)

- About US bashing. Absurd. Maybe if our country wasn't so much weened on conspiracty theories conjured up by our own entertainers we wouldn't be so much dumber than we were during past wars. I wish we had movie stars and ball players doing their part like they were in World War II (i.e.,Ted Williams, Elvis). I pretty much have always tuned out Hollywood now they have given me a reason to tune their liberal ass out more.

-About the draft: You got to be serious. Did you know (correct me if I'm wrong) their are only 3 members of Congress who have family members in the military? I'm a veteran myself so I find it highly ridiculous that Senator Rangel of New York would say something so silly as to bring back a relic such as the draft. After 9/11 I got to see the influx of young people joining the military....people are more proud of this country than many would like us all to believe. Their is no need for a draft. Besides, the way most people are sensitive today I don't think it would be a good idea to make someone fight who doesn't want to ;)

Rack me, I'm out.

Fountain
05-02-2003, 02:38 PM
Excellent

quote:
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Originally posted by novacain
>> There's too much wrong in America for us to be throwing our money to other countries. <<

Because it is the right thing to do. Because they need help just to survive. These countries are poor so we can be rich. A lot more could be done if 40% of US foriegn aid did not go to the 16th richest country in the world in the form of arms.

Or would you rather wait until they decide that their only recourse to improve their lives is terrorism?

>>Didnt I tell everyone the real reason this thread is here? Close it, it is boring me. I could see it being transferred to 'war in iraq' thread though.<<

I have an easy solution.

Go way.
Stop reading.
Turn the PC off and go outside.

Who is forcing you to spend your time here?[/B]
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Excellent. Bravo. This man speaks truth!




Ummmm no, I think the fact the thread went from Aids to Muslims in 3 simple steps says it all. Maybe if you read the posts correctly you would understand.

It was zooming into flame, flame, flame.

And no, I wont go outside 'cos I may see you! Never know.

Fountain
05-02-2003, 02:44 PM
Originally posted by Europe_is_cool
I think a more important issue is the was against US ignorance.

First, the US need to get some free media and some freedom of speech.




Originally posted by GanglyLamb
Seems to me ur looking to get flamed.....

And i couldnt disagree more with you, we Europeans have great lifes Americans also have great ways of living there life.... but lots off ppl arent, i suggest you open ur eyez and watch some tele. Even from such a "evilised-medium" you can learn whats going on..im off

BTW in case you didnt saw it, i live in belgium (Europe) so dont say im defending the US coz i live there.



Originally posted by Europe_is_cool
For those of you who haven't got it, I intented to write "I think a more important issue is the WAR against US ignorance".

But just look at this:

"The street corners of Tikrit were decorated with homemade shrines to Saddam Hussein yesterday, small portraits decked with flowers lying on the pavements. The US had banned all birthday celebrations at Saddam's birthplace and former powerbase, but throughout the town residents marked the former dictator's 66th birthday with quiet defiance."
http://www.pakistanidefenceforum.com/index.php?act=ST&f=8&t=11194&

Is that what the US call freedom???

And do you know what media was and what media wasn't allowed to report from the Gulf war?

The US goverment, with it's Messian politics, is evil. I feel sorry for most of the people living in it. First, we need to encourage, but of course not force, people in the US to give up the Christian faith, which has happened to a large extent over here in Europe. It's purely en-stupiding, not like a scientific religion, like Islam.


And so on. Now Novocain please tell what this has got to do with AIDS. Oh you cant you are probably outside (on the swing or slide or something I'll bet)

So, please do not in future assume anything or tell others they should do something. It's just not cricket. My opinion was that the posts had no relevance to the subject. There!

mart_man00
05-02-2003, 03:19 PM
-About the draft: You got to be serious. Did you know (correct me if I'm wrong) their are only 3 members of Congress who have family members in the military? I'm a veteran myself so I find it highly ridiculous that Senator Rangel of New York would say something so silly as to bring back a relic such as the draft. After 9/11 I got to see the influx of young people joining the military....people are more proud of this country than many would like us all to believe. Their is no need for a draft. Besides, the way most people are sensitive today I don't think it would be a good idea to make someone fight who doesn't want to

yeah, there are lot of brave kids, but look whos leading them. the new recruits are the ones with the balls, id like to see the anti-americans in a war. maybe they would shut up. you said you were in the military, wouldnt you like to see some people scared striaght?

novacain
05-04-2003, 10:35 PM
>>Now Novocain please tell what this has got to do with AIDS. Oh you cant you are probably outside<<

Actually I was.
On a beautiful sandy beach with the kids, swimming, surfing and catching fresh fish for dinner.



I did not mention Muslims in my previous posts, not once.

I pointed out that even at the reduced prices these people could not afford AIDS retro viral drugs as a month cost more than their years salary.

Then I pointed out that, not only is it the morally right thing to do, but it is our best interests to help these people.

Again.
If this conversation is not to your liking, then go away.


>>id like to see the anti-americans in a war. maybe they would shut up.<<

I hope you/your kids/my kids never have to fight in a war. I hope war becomes a thing of the past that is only discussed in history class to gasps of disbelief.

But you mean you would prefer if we all just let the US do what ever it saw as needed (to protect the US way of life) and stopped using the right to free speech (complaining) that we did not like what the US hegmony has become, a 'pre-emptive' attacker of its weaker neighbours.

Just let the US imprison people inc. children 13 - 16 without charge, legal represetation or hope. Then complain that captured US service personel are shown on TV.

Then applaud the US for sending a few million in aid, then taking it back in farm subsidies, trade tariffs and protections.