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Liger86
04-29-2003, 05:35 PM
Is it possible that machines will take over human civilization?

Think Matrix style! :)

No, I'm serious? What if?

confuted
04-29-2003, 05:58 PM
>>Is it possible that machines will take over human civilization?

Not as long as there are still some of us that are smarter than the tools with which we work.

>>Is it possible that machines will take over the people who aren't smarter than the tools with which they work?

Haven't they already? Think about all the people that can't program their VCR...or their toaster.

CheesyMoo
04-29-2003, 06:34 PM
There's always a simple solution, pull the plug.

BMJ
04-29-2003, 06:35 PM
::hugs monitor::

No! YOU pull the plug!! :eek:

squid
04-29-2003, 06:47 PM
GET AWAY FROM THE UPS! RELEASE THE POWER CORD AND TAKE 3 STEPS BACK. :D

If we are not carefull.. it is a possibality. But I really think that true full AI is not possible for the foreseeable future.

RoD
04-29-2003, 07:04 PM
>>Not as long as there are still some of us that are smarter than the tools with which we work.


Thats scary when u realize that 98% of the worlds pc users are dumber than the dell they sit behind...

confuted
04-29-2003, 07:23 PM
I know....but are you sure it's only 98%?

Liger86
04-29-2003, 07:24 PM
I bet that there is going to be some type of AI that will be able to think like humans, maybe even reproduce?

What is the possibility that we live in an exactly the same world as The Matrix described it? Or something similar?

Oh yes, to all people who like history: "History does not repeat, it is just a coincidence" - Liger86

Liger86
04-29-2003, 07:27 PM
Originally posted by RoD


Thats scary when u realize that 98% of the worlds pc users are dumber than the dell they sit behind...

Now, that is BS.

Fetch me facts :rolleyes:

squid
04-29-2003, 07:46 PM
I would like to see some stats. Considereing a puter has an IQ of 0, I find that very hard to believe.

I do think that a lot of people dont undersand that internals of computers and os's. Some people have no idea what they are doing with a computer (I do help desk work), but MOST of them are capable of learning. As I said before I dont think this will ever happen, unless an alien comes and dropped in there super-AI robots/puters/programs.

Its still fun to watch the Matrix and see what is a possibality.

Perspective
04-29-2003, 09:21 PM
Originally posted by squid
...Considereing a puter has an IQ of 0, I find that very hard to believe.


thats just because a puter is not intelligent, however, most (the ones that dont use microsoft products) will do whatever they are programmed to do quite effectively....




void killMain() // void, yes void muahahaha
{
neverstop:

if(humansResist())
destroyAllLivingThings( death::PAINFULL );
else
deploy( robotMartini( laxin::VICTORY );

goto neverstop;
}

CheesyMoo
04-29-2003, 09:30 PM
You forgot:


try{
// all that crap up there
if(humansEatEachother)
throw NukeEm()
}
catch(NukeEm())
{
totalRapingPillagingAndChildEating();
}


Haha, I'm lame.

RoD
04-30-2003, 04:11 AM
Originally posted by Liger86
Now, that is BS.

Fetch me facts :rolleyes:

U dont need facts, u need the ability to realize when someones not serious, i cant help you there.

Liger86
04-30-2003, 11:22 AM
Are there any serious projects now out there that may go "out of controll"? Could there be a possibility that the US gov is hiding something?

Look, take Deep Blue for example, it is almost impossible to beat! There are not that many people who actually beat that chess engine!

minesweeper
04-30-2003, 11:31 AM
There is a big difference between a machine that can calculate the best solution given a problem (like deep blue) and a machine that is self-aware and performs actions truely of it's own accord.

Liger86
04-30-2003, 11:45 AM
It does not matter, Deep Blue can outsmart some of most professional players of chess. And that is already making a machine ahead of humans. Besides, the power of computers doubles every 2 years if you didnít notice Ė all it takes is time and money.

I bet it is possible to make computer think and act like humans do, but the problem is the processor speed. Even if we do make a machine like that, it will require really long time to learn even the simplest things. Besides it is going to be less intelligent then the dumbest person alive.

minesweeper
04-30-2003, 11:58 AM
All that these chess computers do is analise the current position and consider the possible future outcomes of every move that it has available to it. This is also how the great chess players of the world beat poeple. Whilst you are thinking about whether you might lose your pawn on the next move, Kasparov is planning on how to take your queen in nine moves time. In a sense, all the computers can do is replicate this with their high processor speeds being able to crunch numbers at an insane rate. The number of moves you have to crunch grows exponentially as you increase the number of moves into the future.

What these machines can't do is think for themselves. AI is getting better but there is a long way to go yet.

Clyde
04-30-2003, 12:11 PM
"What is the possibility that we live in an exactly the same world as The Matrix described it? Or something similar?"

Pretty much no possiblity, the scenario in the matrix is fairly absurd, humans as a power source = ridiculous.

However if you want musings on a far flung future world i'll give you a few random thoughts:

I see no reason why AI could not at some point advance to a state where it was considered more "intelligent" than humans of today, so what then?

Will computers rise up and over throw us? I rather think not, i suspect Asimov's robot stories present a more likely future than Terminator or The Matrix.

But both ignore the possibility that WE will get smarter via neural implant technology, our understanding of neural processes is always increasing as is the technology needed to bridge the biology - electronics gap. It seems inevitable that a time will come when we will be able to enhance our neurology with technology.

Speculation on what such a world would evolve into start sounding more and more like a cheesy sci-fi book, suffice to say that i think Stephen Hawkings prediction of "group conciousness" proceeds along similar lines.

CheesyMoo
04-30-2003, 01:49 PM
The only way for computers to be smarter than humans is for the machines to learn, and add more to their code or whatever. If you have an AI for playing chess, that AI isn't going to do anything, all it can do is play chess, it can't turn off your tv and kill you. To make a computer do something, someone has to program it, so then they would be able to stop it.

damonbrinkley
04-30-2003, 02:01 PM
About the same chance that I have to wake up in the morning with my head sewn to the carpet!!

JaWiB
04-30-2003, 10:38 PM
I say there are too many stupid people in the world and computers can feel free to get rid of a few...the smart ones can then create themselves a lethal clone of the ebola virus that works on computers.

Fountain
05-01-2003, 04:58 PM
Originally posted by Perspective
thats just because a puter is not intelligent, however, most (the ones that dont use microsoft products) will do whatever they are programmed to do quite effectively....




Riiiiiight-so you have just removed millions of puters from the world huh?

That would be how many run M/S products succesfully.

And you did say....most.....

Are you sure there are more 'PC's' running with NO M/S products? I mean none at all. Want to bet? Note the word 'PC' before you answer.

Perspective
05-01-2003, 06:24 PM
Originally posted by Fountain
Riiiiiight-so you have just removed millions of puters from the world huh?

That would be how many run M/S products succesfully.

And you did say....most.....

Are you sure there are more 'PC's' running with NO M/S products? I mean none at all. Want to bet? Note the word 'PC' before you answer.


the word sarcasm comes to mind, srry, i thought it was obvious.

Procyon
05-01-2003, 06:56 PM
A self-replicating machine (most likely a nanomachine) developing some sort of mutation and reproducing out of control and destroying everything in its wake - like cancer, only on a global scale - is not really out of the question, although I think that society would develop enough protective measures ahead of time to mostly eliminate the danger.

More likely, I think, is that in the very distant future humans will choose to replace themselves with different "posthuman" entities (maybe machines, maybe genetically engineered organisms, maybe some sort of cybernetic hybrid) more suited to the environment of the future than the evolutionarily limited humans of today.

adrianxw
05-02-2003, 01:13 AM
>>> Deep Blue can outsmart some of most professional players of chess.

On the other hand, no comuter program exists that can beat any reasonable club level "Go" player, at least not yet.