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RoD
04-06-2003, 01:50 PM
As some of you know i'm going to be starting my freshman year in college in about three months, and reading some of the news about file sharing on campus has me concerned. Four students caught transfering their mp3 files from one machine to another as means of a backup on a LAN, are being prosecuted for file sharing.

I have several gigabytes worth of mp3's, and im concerned as to my possession of these on my pc once i am in college. I also download mp3's frequently, as many as 10 a day (alot on dialup).

Am i going to be at risk to download these while at college even if they are only being used by me and not shared to others? I seriously dont want to be without all of my music files, and to burn these to cd's would be a hassle.

That brings up another point, is it illegal for me to possess mixed cd's that i created from my mp3's, even if i no longer posess those original mp3 files?

no-one
04-06-2003, 02:14 PM
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I have several gigabytes worth of mp3's, and im concerned as to my possession of these on my pc once i am in college. I also download mp3's frequently, as many as 10 a day (alot on dialup).
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thats a lot fr dial-up.

>Am i going to be at risk to download these while at college even if they are only being used by me and not shared to others?

yes, technically its still illegal, and you can be prosecuted.

the laws are sketchy now, Fair use doesn't really exist anymore, if you buy it its still theirs.

acording to the RIAA your a grease spot, i heard they sued a dude for 150,000 an mp3, i also heard they lost.

google search turned up:

http://www.gnutellanews.com/article/6403

you got to decide what to do, if i was you and i would get only what you need to survie and kill or backup the rest elsewhere before you get there.

priating mp3's aint worth college.

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That brings up another point, is it illegal for me to possess mixed cd's that i created from my mp3's, even if i no longer posess those original mp3 files?
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if you originally owned the CD's that the music was ripped from, AND you ripped it your self then yes and no, you MAY have protection under fair use, if the RIAA finds out they will have you killed and strung up by your feet in time square as an example to others.

HaLCy0n
04-06-2003, 02:15 PM
I'm guessing it all depends on your school. I haven't had any problems here yet downloading stuff. A couple of kids I met have *a lot* of stuff shared over the network using Windows shares. I would say just don't share and it shouldn't be too big of an issue.

no-one
04-06-2003, 02:19 PM
that is if the net admins are idiots, or are doing it to.

RoD
04-06-2003, 02:31 PM
Well 30-40% of my mp3's are ripped from cds, some were mine that have since been lost or destroyed, i cant prove it so i lose right?

What if i have my pc hooked to the net, a pc in the middle as a "dead zone", ie no traffic gets past it, and then a third pc with my mp3 files that i can get too, then the school never see's mp3 traffic?

My problem is i hear a new song, i like it, i dload it.....hmm

dP munky
04-06-2003, 02:36 PM
i love how the RIAA would "string you up" yet they still charget $14bucks for a $$$$in cd that literally costs 2.50 TOTAL to make, it depends what school and where you do it.....DO NOT download stuff on school computers, thats how a lot of these idiots get caught, they do it on the colleges network......hypothetically if i were in college, i would say i havent had a problem downloading stuff from home on my own connection, but thats hypothetical

RoD
04-06-2003, 02:39 PM
It will be my pc, the only link to the school is i'll be using the 300K connection.....

dP munky
04-06-2003, 02:46 PM
hypothetically, i would be in the same boat you are, and im not in prison....it shouldnt be a problem

serioulsy, as long as you dont use the schools network you should be alright, colleges always monitor their stuff and what better way to make a quick buck than to get some kid busted becuase he was downloading 1 song off of the album instead of paying the full $14 and waste the cd, for one damn song, now somehow, you owe them 150,000?

how does that work, since 1985 cd's have been more expensive than tapes....how is it right for them to screw you for almost 20 years, and YOURE the bad guy for only downloading the songs you like ......DAMN

RoD
04-06-2003, 02:49 PM
now say u get an mp3 off the artists site, what then? Because most artists are posting songs for download....

dP munky
04-06-2003, 02:51 PM
who knows the record industry is retarded.......if you get it off of an artist site, they probably wont try to bring you to jail.....

...stay the hell away from metallica

RoD
04-06-2003, 03:07 PM
i have every metallica song ever recorded on here lmao. Could i make a program that when ran would turn every .mp3 files found on the computer into like a .txt file, and then be reverseable? Cuz then when ever i leave my place i can turn em all to .txt files haha....doubt it tho

*ClownPimp*
04-06-2003, 03:39 PM
If you follow the news, you will notice that no one has gotten busted for downloading, but for sharing. So as long as you dont share any files, your okay (for now)

Silvercord
04-06-2003, 07:08 PM
yeah because downloading from another person off of kazaa is definitely NOT sharing no matter what angle you look at it

alpha
04-06-2003, 07:31 PM
Originally posted by RoD
i have every metallica song ever recorded on here lmao. Could i make a program that when ran would turn every .mp3 files found on the computer into like a .txt file, and then be reverseable? Cuz then when ever i leave my place i can turn em all to .txt files haha....doubt it tho you could probably do it. just reassign extensions. but not to a .txt file. you'll have files that you want to keep as .txt change to .mp3. you can reassign extensions through command prompt, you could probably just write a program that calls this.

confuted
04-06-2003, 07:47 PM
Perhaps you could use a proxy... check astalavista.com for more info.

Commander
04-07-2003, 10:08 PM
it would not be possible for me to live without filesharing......

Xei
04-08-2003, 12:19 AM
RoD, don't worry about it. It's your PC, and your college cannot search it without your permission. What I recommend you do is to get a HD-Bay, then get a 120GB WD Caviar and put all of your Games, and Music on it(Nothing essential like C++, put that on its own Partition on a primary HD). Then if you detect possible hostility at your college, or are simply alarmed, then simply remove the HD from the Bay(takes 2 sec with a sliding bay) and put it in your backpack. There is nothing to worry about. You could also password your BootLoader, I am positive that they will not remove the HD from your PC. Plus, Sharman and (is it Digital Music?) pay lots of money in royalties for AltNet so that you can listen to stuff. In any case, your admin won't know what the hell you are downloading, unless if they analyse the protocols, and no american schools to my knowledge analyze anything other than HTTP(Actually I think the ISP's do HTTP analysis, not the school). All they can do is limit your bandwidth. If you are that paranoid then go get a cell phone that has free evenings and weekends on the plan, and dial in to a DSL(could be a company, or a friends house routing you via Modem to Cable).

edit: No schools in the world bother to analyse FileSharing protocols so that they can see what their students download. The RIAA probably makes rather pathetic attempts at it as it is. Fear nothing, the media is just trying to scare people so that file sharing ceases.

dP munky
04-08-2003, 12:22 AM
i think it's wrong how we're all comming together to help aid someone who's confessed to committing a crime

just freakin kidding, yeah right, i love it


got any suggestions for blood stains???

Xei
04-08-2003, 12:25 AM
Originally posted by dP munky
i think it's wrong how we're all comming together to help aid someone who's confessed to committing a crime

just freakin kidding, yeah right, i love it


got any suggestions for blood stains???

Blood stains? Your sick!

Haha, j/k. Actually I'm picturing a shot through the head with the splatter all over the wall. Anyone here play Hitman 2?

Edit: BTW, he didn't confess to commiting a crime. There are plenty of artists who just want to be heard. He obviously owns all of the music he ripped, so he is allowed to do so for backup purposes. ;)

dP munky
04-08-2003, 12:33 AM
>>BTW, he didn't confess to commiting a crime. There are plenty of artists who just want to be heard. He obviously owns all of the music he ripped, so he is allowed to do so for backup purposes.

damn straight!

j/k about the blood stains.....;)

RoD
04-08-2003, 04:03 AM
thats a really good idea.....i have a backup 10gig, i could take an old cdrom i have, gut the insides, mount the 10gig inside of it and cut the back off fir cables, then use that as a removeable because my cdrom bays have quick releases.....HMMMM

face_master
04-08-2003, 04:09 AM
they'd never catch me. I only download an album at a time and burn it straight away. My router hides my true external ip! HA! And if they even said to me "Why were you downloading it" id say "I was making a back-up of my cd that i BOUGHT, cause i dont know how to copy cds, but now ive lost my original" Booya!

GanglyLamb
04-08-2003, 06:53 AM
Bout ur mp3 to whatever extension prog.; just write a bat file ( huh old-skool)and put it where it belongs in windows.... then you only have to go to start->execute->erase_all_evidence

vasanth
04-08-2003, 07:34 AM
Well use programs like winrar where you can encrypt the files and also compress them...

RoD
04-08-2003, 07:10 PM
damned if i can member wat i used to use to encrypt $$$$, started with a "p".....

novacain
04-08-2003, 09:47 PM
>>It's your PC, and your college cannot search it without your permission.

No but they can cut off your conection, kick you out for violating the fine print of the agreements you will have to sign.

Here in Australia three major unis and a number of ISP's are being forced, under threat of legal action, to turn over records of users (so these users can be prosecuted for exactly what you are doing).

These users have been tracked using the common sharing programs (that have been mentioned) to download copyright material.

Either way you put it.........its stealing.

I laugh that some of you want to become game programmers but steal games. Directly reducing the industries ability to hire more programmers.

dP munky
04-08-2003, 09:57 PM
>>No but they can cut off your conection, kick you out for violating the fine print of the agreements you will have to sign.

he said it was on his home connection, the college wont take his connection....they cant

im not advocating stealing games....i dont download cracked versions of software, how can you be wrong w/"stealing" mp3's...dont you think you've been bent over in front of the RIAA long enough? i know that if i want 2 songs off of a cd and they are goind to charge me 15 bucks for the cd...im getting screwed....prices of cd's havent come down in almost 20 years. but they never will cuz people wont boycott....i'll admit i've downloaded mp3's but for me, if i download the new "insert band here" album, and i like it, I'll go to the store and drop the 15 bucks on the counter, if i dont like the new "insert band here" album...then i delete the mp3's, cuz they suck and save myself 15 bucks to put gas in my car

thank god you dont live in australlia ROD

novacain
04-09-2003, 02:05 AM
>>im not advocating stealing games

Your excuses are not a justification for stealing someones livelyhood. Its just that it is not your money, yet....

Each item stolen is money the band/artist/programmer/author did not get. It is a dollar that will not go back into the economy to pay the CD store salesmen, delivery drivers, ect (or even tax).

It wont be the top guys who get the axe, it will be the little guys making minimum wage.

>>he said it was on his home connection, the college wont take his connection....they cant

The college can cut of his tuition, access to the college network and suspend/terminate him for his illegal activities.

Do you think the college wants these people looking into all the copyright software the college has, checking it is valid? Think of the cost in manhours!

Do you think the college will enjoy them taking the college to court to get some info on you? How much do you think it would cost in legal fees for the college?

Then we start on his home ISP. Read the fine print when you signed on? Read the changes to the acceptable use policy online?

IPS's here have already been threatened with legal action if they don't turn over user records.

You may even be liable for not only the copyright holders legal expenses but also the colleges.
That is huge $.
But hey you can just go to another college. Except they all know what you have done and refuse to sign you on.



>>thank god you dont live in australlia ROD
They are 'testing the waters' here as we have stricter privacy laws and weaker copyright laws. ie Sony PS2 mod chips are legal here.

If they can do it here then..................

>>prices of cd's havent come down in almost 20 years.

They have been around for how many years? (my first car had an 8 track cartridge player, ever seen one?)

dP munky
04-09-2003, 02:26 AM
>>my first car had an 8 track cartridge player, ever seen one?
i resent that, lol, yes, i've seen an 8 track....cd's came out in the early 80's

what about bands that offer mp3's on their sites?

either way, i wont pirate software, but if i wanna check out a cd to see if i should buy it, i wont think twice about downloading an mp3

Govtcheez
04-09-2003, 05:32 AM
> Each item stolen is money the band/artist/programmer/author did not get

Have you seen the way money from record sales is broken down? The artist gets very little money from record sales; most of it goes to the label. Most artists make most of their money from touring.

And RoD, don't worry about it; most of the guys they've busted have hundreds of thousands of files available for share. One guy had over a million. I've got about 9 GB of MP3s (and probably 80% of those are from my own CDs) and my school doesn't even blink. I don't use Kazaa or anything, though; our school's firewall blocks access to everything I've tried to use. It's not you'll be the only person with MP3s.

dP munky
04-09-2003, 11:45 AM
>>Most artists make most of their money from touring.

i heard this too, something like, the band gets .98cents per record....usually there are 3-5 people in a band....split that up and youre making like 19cents per album sold.....

Xei
04-09-2003, 01:34 PM
I think that the biggest problem with downloading MP3's in conjunction with the artist is that people download the music then end up saying things like:

"I don't have the money right now, so I'll keep listening to the MP3's until I can purchase the album."

"Well A&B sound, FutureShop, etc.. have already bought the albums, so what good will my purchasing it from them do the artist? 1/100th of a cent in royalties?"

"I don't like all of the songs on the album. So I'll only download 40% of the album that I like." -Argueably, no-one likes 100% of an entire album.

Or, my personal favorite, which I agree with:
"It's those ..........ers who are enforcing royalties on any recording mediums purchased, and putting pressure on software/hardware producers. Screw them, if i'm gonna pay for something that I havent done, then I'm gonna damn well start doing it now."

minesweeper
04-09-2003, 01:56 PM
The music industry is whining because it is not as profitable as it once was. They find piracy a convenient scapegoat.

I say that for the last few years we have been fed nothing but talentless garbage and it has got to the point where nobody wants to waste their hard-earned wedge by buying it anymore. I am not a big downloader but I do have a small collection of mp3's. Some of those mp3's will encourage me to go out and buy the CD, Coldplay's latest album is a prime example of that. I like to own the original CD and it's not as if it costs the earth!! Some of them however are by talentless one or two hit wonder commercially produced 'artists' that I wouldn't dream of parting with cash for. If the music industry invested more time, money and resources into supporting young artists/bands with real talent then they might find themselves with some good long term investments.

confuted
04-09-2003, 03:04 PM
A while ago, my friend downloaded the mp3s for a Dredg CD and burned it for me. I recently decided that I liked it, and I went out and bought both of their CDs, even though I had most of the mp3s when I did it. I have a huge collection of mp3s, but honestly, if it wasn't for the mp3s, I still wouldn't be buying the stuff, I'd be listening to the radio. I don't have $18 to spend on a CD everytime I feel like it.

Xei
04-09-2003, 03:18 PM
Originally posted by blackrat364
A while ago, my friend downloaded the mp3s for a Dredg CD and burned it for me. I recently decided that I liked it, and I went out and bought both of their CDs, even though I had most of the mp3s when I did it. I have a huge collection of mp3s, but honestly, if it wasn't for the mp3s, I still wouldn't be buying the stuff, I'd be listening to the radio. I don't have $18 to spend on a CD everytime I feel like it.

Same here. While we're on that note: Do you guys think it's wrong to download a commercial compiler for EDUCATIONAL purposes? But then purchasing the compiler when ready to use it for profitable purposes? Cause lets face it, they are so expensive because you can profit. Or do you think that you should stick with Free Compilers until ready to profit, then purchasing a commercial compiler?

novacain
04-09-2003, 09:20 PM
the real money in the music industry is if you do the writing. Then you don't have to pay for the expenses (ads, videos, hotels, ect)
I agree that the music industry has an outdated bussiness model. It needs to change.
This does not excuse piracy.

http://dir.salon.com/tech/feature/2000/06/14/love/index.html

Did you read about the guy from ISOnews getting 5 months goal (jail), 5 months home detention, 3 years probation and US$28,500 fine for selling mod chips.

RoD
04-10-2003, 04:35 AM
i think it totally excuses piracy. The mis-conception that were all a bunch of crooks because we dont want to buy an entire album is bullcrap and they know it.

I'm not going to sweat it, just going to make my cdrom drive case and what not.

novacain
04-10-2003, 10:37 PM
>>The mis-conception that were all a bunch of crooks because we dont want to buy an entire album is bullcrap and they know it.

No, its your justifcation for stealing from a person who worked hard to create something enjoyable.



If you just wanted to see half the movie you shouldn't have to pay?

If you just eat the meat from the burger and leave the rest, you shouldn't have to pay?

If you just suck the jam/jelly out of the donut.........

If you get out of the cab half way...

If you just attend half the classes...........

If you don't like black jelly beans.........


I don't agree with drug laws forcing normal people to become criminals, but the only thing to do is obey them until you can force change.

dP munky
04-11-2003, 12:41 AM
sounds like that backwards logic again....

...whats wrong w/try before you buy?