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zahid
03-19-2003, 10:52 PM
We better talk about war in one place.
US president declared go for war.

No doubt who is going to win, but how long &
how much to pay?

4th May:Bush: Iraq's weapons will be found (http://cboard.cprogramming.com/showthread.php?s=&postid=268525#post268525)
30th April:How US soldiers are welcomed: The part Americans did not see. (http://cboard.cprogramming.com/showthread.php?s=&postid=268234#post268234)
29th April:Who knows, may be SARS was implanted to achieve something in new frontier? (http://cboard.cprogramming.com/showthread.php?s=&postid=267214#post267214)
*********:At last WMD found in IRAQ (http://cboard.cprogramming.com/showthread.php?s=&postid=267198#post267198)
29th April:Deadly clash with hundreds of Iraqi protesters. (http://cboard.cprogramming.com/showthread.php?s=&postid=267197#post267197)
27th April: are waiting to hear a strong voice (http://cboard.cprogramming.com/showthread.php?s=&postid=266155#post266155)
27th April: Confess by Zahid, Part Two: (http://cboard.cprogramming.com/showthread.php?s=&postid=266073#post266073)
26th April: Got oil? (http://cboard.cprogramming.com/showthread.php?s=&postid=265852#post265852)
24th April: Old Story (http://cboard.cprogramming.com/showthread.php?s=&postid=265318#post265318)
17th April: Confess by Zahid (http://cboard.cprogramming.com/showthread.php?s=&postid=263228#post263228)
17th April: The photographs tell the story...True Lie (http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article2842.htm)
16th April: Exposed: Are These US Marines Looting Liberating Iraqi Gold Or Fixing Saddam's Door. (http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article2973.htm)
16th April: Why USA in Iraq (http://cboard.cprogramming.com/showthread.php?s=&postid=262705#post262705)

Greatest Progress!!! in 21 Days of US Attack in Iraq (http://cboard.cprogramming.com/showthread.php?s=&postid=261331#post261331)

Commander
03-19-2003, 11:36 PM
it's gonna b a long war.......
even if saddam is overthrown, his supporters will keep fighting...
this war could end sooner, but only is the US decided to flaten the country killing innocent people as well...

kermi3
03-19-2003, 11:43 PM
We already have a lot of war threads, lets not open more please. This one can stay since it is a whole new ballgame now, but no more new threads please.

zahid
03-19-2003, 11:46 PM
Okay, so we are going to continue this one.
I started it with the hope of not creating any more thread on this war. Thanks for the note from you.

no-one
03-20-2003, 12:35 AM
short and cheap in lives, but it will cost money.

Vber
03-20-2003, 05:04 AM
Originally posted by no-one
short and cheap in lives, but it will cost money.

Same here, what I think.

ApocalypticTime
03-20-2003, 05:42 AM
It wont be very long but a lot of civil people in Iraq will die...

jessie23
03-20-2003, 08:06 AM
yes the war will cost alot. i think the tomamhawk cruise missiles come at a cost of about 50,000 apiece. that adds up quick. im sure all these precision weapons arent cheap either. you never know. maybe the us will blitzkrieg and we will be outside baghadad by the end of the week. or maybe saddam will be ready and have something planned for when the us get ground troops deeper into the country. who knows. im sure nbc will instantly update us if something happens.

FillYourBrain
03-20-2003, 08:13 AM
tomahawk fyi

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/munitions/bgm-109.htm

$500,000 - current production Unit Cost
$1,4000,000 - average unit cost (TY$)
$11,210,000,000 - total program cost (TY$)

Liger86
03-20-2003, 11:49 AM
I'm really mad! Why'ta f*** did my thread get closed. It had more posetes than any other thread about the war, plus the topic was more specific!

I hope who ever did this gets burned in hell after they die to the fineset of all them ashes!

Vber
03-20-2003, 11:51 AM
hope who ever did this gets burned in hell after they die to the fineset of all them ashes!


hey hey, take it easy man!
your thread got closed because we have 6 threads about war.

Liger86
03-20-2003, 11:53 AM
I would not be surprised if sadam is gonna have something ready!

~Sorry about the anger from my previous post on this thread~

Govtcheez
03-20-2003, 11:54 AM
Originally posted by Liger86
I'm really mad! Why'ta f*** did my thread get closed. It had more posetes than any other thread about the war, plus the topic was more specific!

I hope who ever did this gets burned in hell after they die to the fineset of all them ashes! Stop whining... VBer's right. Besides, your only contribution to "your thread" was to make the first post in it with some stupid, stupid rumor you had heard.

Liger86
03-20-2003, 11:54 AM
Originally posted by Vber
your thread got closed because we have 6 threads about war.

But it seamed like such a good thread! :(

Liger86
03-20-2003, 11:57 AM
Originally posted by Govtcheez
Stop whining... VBer's right. Besides, your only contribution to "your thread" was to make the first post in it with some stupid, stupid rumor you had heard.

fine, don't be my friend. I guess I was born in a dumpster!:mad:

Shiro
03-20-2003, 11:58 AM
If the US succeeds in taking in the large cities quickly, the war will probably be over quickly. But I am afraid most of the war will be in those cities, there are Saddam's most loyal soldiers (the Republican Guard and Special Republican Guard), such a war will take a lot of lives.

Liger86
03-20-2003, 12:06 PM
Originally posted by Shiro
such a war will take a lot of lives.

It sure will... but the civilian lives is what everyone is afraid of excluding sadam (he don't even deserve his name spelled with first letter in capital!), he don't even cara about his own people.

Shiro
03-20-2003, 12:26 PM
>but the civilian lives is what everyone is afraid of

Yep, that is what I meant. If heavy fighting is going on in the cities, I hope the civilians had the chance to flee. But it could be that the army of Iraq keeps them in the cities to make fighting in the streets difficult for the Americans and Brittish. One man with a gun can control a hundred without.

Silvercord
03-20-2003, 12:58 PM
war should be a last resort

Unregd
03-20-2003, 01:03 PM
Now ground troops have crossed the Iraq-Kuwait border into Saddam country. Last check the marines were just bulldozing through sand barns. It's seems strange that the only Iraqi soldiers encountered have immediately surrendered. Maybe Saddam has something more up his sleeve.

If he has any chemical weapons, he will probably use them when the troops are close to Baghdad.

FillYourBrain
03-20-2003, 01:09 PM
my hope is that the only thing Saddam has up his sleeve is shrapnel from a good ol' american bunker buster.

Nobody has yet confirmed that Saddam is alive. The taped speech can not be considered proof can it? how beautiful would it be if they got him on the first attack? This could go down in history as the "three minute war"

one can dream...

Silvercord
03-20-2003, 01:11 PM
i hate war. my friend said i shouldn't have an opinion because I am not as intelligent or educated as the 'high people' making the decisions.

EDIT:
hasn't Hussein gassed his own people or something? Does he deserve to get killed?

RoD
03-20-2003, 01:12 PM
>>hasn't Hussein gassed his own people or something? Does he deserve to get killed?


Yes and Yes.

Govtcheez
03-20-2003, 01:12 PM
> The taped speech can not be considered proof can it?

No way - I don't understand why people keep saying that because he said the date it was some indication of the fact that the tape was current. I could say "May 18, 2015", but that doesn't really mean I've time travelled. We've known that the war was going to start today since Tuesday... Also, they're not really sure it was him...

> if they got him on the first attack?

That'd be cool, but I wonder what'd happen after that - would we just stop where we are, or what?

FillYourBrain
03-20-2003, 01:14 PM
The white house has said that at this point, a temporary occupation is going to happen whether we have to kill saddam or not. It is necessary to establish the new govt. Just like Afghanistan

Govtcheez
03-20-2003, 01:16 PM
OK, thanks - didn't know.

Shiro
03-20-2003, 01:26 PM
>i hate war. my friend said i shouldn't have an opinion
>because I am not as intelligent or educated as the 'high
>people' making the decisions.

I also hate war. I don't agree with your fiend, everybody can have his or her opinion, that is a human right. It is not that those 'high people' are very intelligent or very educated, but they have much more information than you and I have. That makes that they can make decision based on such information. We make our decisions and develop our opinions based upon what we see, read and hear from the media and from directly communicating with people from there.

In the news I read that Russia and China demand the US to immediately stop the war. Has the US already reacted on that?

In the Dutch news I read that support for the war in the Netherlands has increased from 27% to 41%. 52% Of the Dutch are of the opinion that hte Netherlands should not give military support, only political support.

Govtcheez
03-20-2003, 01:31 PM
> Has the US already reacted on that?

Paraphrased "Who cares." I don't think there's been an official declaration yet.

RoD
03-20-2003, 01:35 PM
I think america as a whole is not worried about russia or china, i'm not.

Shiro
03-20-2003, 01:39 PM
>I think america as a whole is not worried about russia or china, i'm not.

That is different here in the Netherlands, perhaps also in other European countries. Here people are talking a lot about what Poetin has said today, which was that the war should stop.

Also, in the Netherlands there live a lot of Iraqi's and other muslims (mainly Turkey and Marocco). Saturday our government will be talking with the Iraqi and other muslim organisations in our country. Also they will talk with the political party called the Arabic-European-Liga, which has some extreme points of view.

Xei
03-20-2003, 02:10 PM
Originally posted by RoD
I think america as a whole is not worried about russia or china, i'm not.

Being some of the most powerful countries, I believe that Russia, China, and the United States are smart enough to solve their problems peacefully. I don't think that either of the countries wants issues similar to those that the Cold War led to.

Shiro
03-20-2003, 02:20 PM
Being some of the most powerful countries, I believe that Russia, China, and the United States are smart enough to solve their problems peacefully. I don't think that either of the countries wants issues similar to those that the Cold War led to.


Could be. But in those days Russia and the United States were also the most powerful countries.

jdinger
03-20-2003, 02:33 PM
I agree that Russia and the US would solve their issues peacefully.

I can say that I doubt highly that Russia would want to enter a conventional war against us. My platoon served with a Russian platoon patrolling the same areas in Bosnia back in 96. Their soldiers hadn't been paid in over 6 months. They lacked the funding to properly clean and maintain their weapons and other equipment. Their rations were not much more than what you'd consider moist dog food. And needless to say their morale was VERY low. Their military is no where near what it was during the Cold War.

If Saddam was taken out already then I think the majority of the Iraqi troops would surrender. This would be the best we could hope for at this point, as it would mean less bloodshed (especially of innocents).

OneStiffRod
03-20-2003, 05:59 PM
Russia is just making sure it makes some noise as it loses more influence over areas it used to control and have a say over... Their criticizm mimicks the western criticizm over russia's involvement in CHECHNYA. So this is just russia clearing it's throat saying that it is still around but in reality they can do nothing about it and they have no plans to do anything about it.

In fact in months back BUSH courted PUTIN to become part of the coalition but russia understandibly didn't want to be involved militarily but I suspect that it is more that they couldn't if they wanted - if russians fought along side the US a commander predicted that the russians would overwhelm the iraqi's with russian POW's giving up to iraqi forces - just like Gulf War I but reversed. Conventionally, the russians are not much of a threat to the US and not even IRAQ.

minesweeper
03-20-2003, 06:22 PM
First casualty (http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20030320/ap_on_re_mi_ea/war_first_fatality_1)

neandrake
03-20-2003, 10:18 PM
I've heard rumors about the Iraqi troups firing 5 SCUD missles at one of our bases (all of which missed I guess, and had no chem/bio hazmat) and that they fired two missles at the US but they fell over 100 miles short. I am still in high school and not sure what to make out of all this. The only thing I know from the media that is true is that we are at war. (are we?). I feel that the US has a better reason for attacking Iraq than just oil. Clinton hardly meddled with saddam (from what I can remember) and I'm sure we wouldn't have as many protestors if we had a valid reason for attacking at this time. I wish the protestors would stop already. We're at war at the moment and if terrorists decide to attack the US grounds, alot of police have to spend their time making sure that the protestors don't get out of hand or what-not.

Panopticon
03-21-2003, 04:34 PM
I still don't understand why the war is necessary. If they wanted Saddam dead, all they needed to do was get some snipers over there and take out everyone that looks like Saddam. Then America can blame it on terrorists like they always do :) Am I missing something here?

Fountain
03-21-2003, 04:47 PM
maybe missing the fact that saddam is firing weapons at Kuwait etc that were supposed to have been destroyed.

adrianxw
03-21-2003, 04:48 PM
>>> Am I missing something here?

Yes. Killing SH would be a big political victory, but look at it more generally. He has a family and support structure. He and his cronies must be seen to be removed, and no longer a force, to allow the rank and file people of Iraq to actually say what they think without the fear in the back of their minds that one of his henchmen is watching.

It is great to see the young people of the free world protesting against the war, but it would also be great to think that young people everywhere had the same freedom.

Geo-Fry
03-21-2003, 10:19 PM
do they have some new government ready to go for when suddam is dead?

adrianxw
03-22-2003, 03:58 AM
>>> about 4 billion Chinese couldn't care less.

The population of China is a little over 1.28 billion.

Annie
03-22-2003, 04:41 AM
Panopticon

# still don't understand why the war is necessary. If they wanted Saddam dead, all they needed to do was get some snipers over there and take out everyone that looks like Saddam. Then America can blame it on terrorists like they always do Am I missing something here? #




I'm Truly AGREED with u ,panopticon. Just KIll The $$$$$$$
and THe world will lived in harmony and PEACE!!


HOpe Bush Can REduced The BloodShed In The WAR.

WHat We Can Do Here Is just Pray For the PPl ?

ARE WE???

Annie
03-22-2003, 04:43 AM
Just Kill The Xhole and All the Taliban and Especially the *ucking
Osama Bin lAden............................................. ....



And We will Pray FOr that!!


ARE WE?

SourceCode
03-22-2003, 04:44 AM
Originally posted by minesweeper
First casualty (http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20030320/ap_on_re_mi_ea/war_first_fatality_1)

Wow that is sad, the guy was probably completely innocent, I used to drive a taxi so I guess I can relate. That is the thing about war though, innocents will die.:(

joshdick
03-22-2003, 11:47 AM
I'd like to share some things that I've learned about Iraq and such lately.

One comes from a suprisingly good op-ed piece from my local paper. It stated the three most likely outcomes of the war w/Iraq.
[list=1]
Hussein has WOMD and uses them against us.
No good will come out of this scenario. Many more Americans will die, and consequently, we will obliterate the Iraqi people with even less mercy.
Winners: no one.
Losers: all of the dead people.
Hussein does not have WOMD as we claimed.
This is the scenario I'd like to see because I despise Bush. This will make America look like nothing more than a big oil-hungry bully to the international community.
Winners: the UN, France, Germany, China, Russia, etc. who opposed the war; doves back in the states; and Hussein who dead or alive will come off looking like a martyr.
Losers: the Republic party, especially the Bush administration; and hawks everywhere. Oh, and don't forget the dead people.
Hussein has WOMD but does not use them against us.
This is the only scenario in which the U.S. comes out on top. This is what Bush et. al. envision. Given the only other possible outcomes, you'd better wish he's right.
Winners: the U.S., Republicans, and Bush
Losers: doves, UN, and any dead people.
[/list=1]


I've recently learned quite a bit about the Kurds. You probably haven't heard about them because (a) you don't care and (b) they don't have their own country. As a matter of fact, the Kurds are the largest ethnic group in the world without their own country. Their scattered about in Turkey, Iran, and Iraq. They are horribly mistreated in Turkey. They control a portion of nothern Iraq where for the last few years, they have been running their own democratic government. Now, since we're going to have to set up a democratic government after we turn Iraq into one big parking lot and take control of their oil, I think it would be best to give the Kurdish people their section of Iraq as their own independant state. It could be a haven for mistreated Kurds who have been kicked around since WWII.

Anyway, I promised myself that I'd try to limit the amount of my opinions I would voice, so I'll leave you with that for know.

minesweeper
03-22-2003, 12:25 PM
>> I think it would be best to give the Kurdish people their section of Iraq as their own independant state.<<

I would like to see that too. But generally I hope that after the war is over (assuming we win) we don't just go in a bleed the country of it's oil all for our own profit. That oil could allow all the people of Iraq including the Kurds to finally build a nice, decent first-world society free of oppression.

Silvercord
03-22-2003, 04:41 PM
the pilot of the helicopter that crashed (the american one) was from my town. The first death of the Afganistan conflict was a guy from the town next to mine. $$$$ bush.

minesweeper
03-22-2003, 05:11 PM
Ahh, don't say that man, my mate is in Iraq right now fighting with the Royal Marines.

Sebastiani
03-22-2003, 07:58 PM
I think the invasion thus far has been run well.

Many Iraqis were seen shopping and conducting business today, a sign that the people feel safe amidst the bombing, which has been precise and low-impact on the city.

Less than 10 civilians have died too, and less than twenty coalition soldiers have died. I feel sorry for the Iraqi soldiers though, many of them may lose their lives in bunkers and in firefights with the US.

All in all, though, the US is playing their hand right, and Saddam may fall very quickly, allowing Iraq to resume with it's life right away.

Sounds good to me.

zahid
03-22-2003, 11:01 PM
Now, I feel sorry to see the face of Russian man/woman/kid, once it was a proud & glorious, they used to feel superior.

But this is another mistake, this is wrong in a plain text and nothing goes without reaction. It will take time but definitely will be answered. History of nature tells us, we will never be excused.

Original post (http://cboard.cprogramming.com/showthread.php?s=&postid=252701#post252701)