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stl
02-19-2003, 09:43 AM
...you thought I was going to say "Flashdaddee?" Sorry cheez, couldn't resist :D

Seriously though, what are your thoughts on flash-based websites? I don't see as many as I used to, perhaps it was one of those passing fads.

[stealth]

Travis Dane
02-19-2003, 09:43 AM
Sites using flash are Godlike....

Govtcheez
02-19-2003, 09:44 AM
Flash games are ok, but I think websites that use flash extensively in their design are annoying as hell. I shouldn't have to wait for a stupid movie to load just to read something on the site.

minesweeper
02-19-2003, 09:46 AM
Like anything good. Can be awesome, can be WAY over the top. So often I come across a site with a ludicrously unnecessary flash intro that I just skip past.

Travis Dane
02-19-2003, 09:47 AM
Yeah they can certainly overdo certain things, Like having a nice
animation when you click a link is nice but when you've seen it
over a 100 times you get tired of the waiting.

ober
02-19-2003, 09:54 AM
I think it has it's merits... but some people just overdo it. I like to see what people can do with it tho.

Travis Dane
02-19-2003, 09:56 AM
I thought this (http://www.terminator3.com/) looked nice.

stl
02-19-2003, 09:59 AM
That's actually quite tasteful. My view on flash is that a little goes a long way, but a lot goes too far.

Waldo2k2
02-19-2003, 10:28 AM
I used flash once and loved it, i used it to animate a static logo that the guy i made a website for had. The company sells vib-bowls (vibrate via magnets which makes small parts like screws go up a rail system, then they can be sorted, etc.) The original logo just has black screw heads that were all lined up along the rail. Here's what i did with it (ported to gif).

SMurf
02-19-2003, 12:28 PM
It'd be nice if Flash was as standardized as HTML, i.e. it isn't available for only a few browsers. I'd like to code it into mine but no way am I gonna let the gaping security hole that is ActiveX in... :mad:

Magos
02-19-2003, 03:50 PM
It can be very nice, like at that Terminator site. But it is only eyecandy. It has no functional point at a homepage.

Waldo2k2
02-19-2003, 03:55 PM
>>But it is only eyecandy. It has no functional point at a homepage.

That's what they said about java....a lot of people used java apps for navigation...it's dying down now as lower bandwidth stuff like dhtml takes the stage, but you can always find a use for things like java or flash.

dP munky
02-19-2003, 04:47 PM
flash is just eyecandy, its cool eyecandy, but eyecandy none the less. i like it, i think it makes a site look clean.

Malcar Morab
02-20-2003, 12:05 AM
Want to see a great flash site? Check out http://www.homestarrunner.com/main9.html

A freind pointed me in this direction....and I am glad of it.

OneStiffRod
02-20-2003, 12:14 AM
Regular flash has no functionality other than presentation - but the new MX allows more control over Vector graphics and data manipulation - we might start to see some MX sites and maybe even MX apps come about.

I hate coffee!

Panopticon
02-20-2003, 01:58 AM
Before I was "shown the light" and became interested in C++, my main hobby / computer skill was making flash sites. Yes, the type cheez deems annoying :) But I still prefer flash over Java or dhtml because of sheer capability in terms of aesthetics. As for load time, i'd say on average, 85% of bandwidth is used on downloading sound / bitmap information. Truly professional flash developers use minimal amounts of sound / bitmap. I guess thats an obvious technique but thats so under-emphasized. Sites that are made like that load as if it was html.

And one other thing, if you know flash, ull understand that its GREAT showoff material! :) Compared to VB, its just as easy, and so much better looking!

Unregd
02-20-2003, 01:21 PM
From my dial-up days, I grew a dislike for Flash and wasteful graphics. I still get annoyed when I see a Flash intro--completely worthless. I want information, content, not some flashy graphics. I would still like it if Web designers used dynamic HTML because that's standards; Flash is Macromedia's proprietary stuff.

Travis Dane
02-20-2003, 01:41 PM
Originally posted by Unregd
I want information, content, not some flashy graphics.

So i suppose you always use the printer friendly version of the
board?

Govtcheez
02-20-2003, 01:43 PM
Originally posted by Travis Dane
So i suppose you always use the printer friendly version of the
board? There's a pretty big difference between a 10K gif logo and a 1 meg site intro. I think that's what he meant.

Travis Dane
02-20-2003, 01:45 PM
Hes sounded i bit more extreme i think, A flash intro isn't really
welcome sometimes, But calling it extremely worthless...
Some people just like to nice sites.

Fountain
02-20-2003, 04:06 PM
I think terminator site looked great.

So, I guess everything has its place. Like everything else I suppose-avoid overkill.