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dP munky
02-08-2003, 05:32 PM
How much do you make a year *Programming*?

Eibro
02-08-2003, 05:50 PM
As nvoigt (I think) said in another thread, this value is relative. Commodities and living expenses vary from country to country. A programmer in america could make 100k and spend 50% of that on living expenses. The same programmer in, lets say England could make the equivalent of 75k american and spend 25% of that on living expenses.

Plus the fact you didn't mention what currency you're referring to.

face_master
02-08-2003, 06:10 PM
Damn you Elbiro I was going to say that.

dP munky
02-08-2003, 06:13 PM
damn you both, its just a poll :) always have to be right :p

Travis Dane
02-08-2003, 06:15 PM
Originally posted by Eibro
Plus the fact you didn't mention what currency you're referring to.

$$$ <- just a wild guess.

Magos
02-08-2003, 06:30 PM
Originally posted by Travis Dane
$$$ <- just a wild guess.
That may be the official symbol for dollars, but it also stands for cash in general...

Travis Dane
02-08-2003, 06:32 PM
Originally posted by Magos
That may be the official symbol for dollars, but it also stands for cash in general...

That's right, But i assume it's the currency because i assume in general
most (job having) programmers live in the USA.

MethodMan
02-08-2003, 06:59 PM
I make 6 figures :D

I wish, hehe.

Travis Dane
02-08-2003, 07:10 PM
Originally posted by MethodMan
I make 6 figures

With a point after the first...

Eibro
02-08-2003, 07:15 PM
Wow, we use $ for our currency way up north as well.
And my frigging name isn't Elbiro, it's Eibro, you're the second person to do that!

Travis Dane
02-08-2003, 07:19 PM
Elbiro? Sounds like a mexican drugs baron:D

Govtcheez
02-08-2003, 07:40 PM
I make 700 drachmas for every 13 minutes of programming.

Travis Dane
02-08-2003, 07:44 PM
Originally posted by Govtcheez
I make 700 drachmas for every 13 minutes of programming.

Greek drachmas? You're funny!

Govtcheez
02-08-2003, 07:54 PM
New Jersey drachmas, actually - they're almost indistinguishable from the real thing.

Travis Dane
02-08-2003, 07:58 PM
Mhh, My currency converter says 'up your ass' when i ask for it?
You're not making #### up i hope?

Govtcheez
02-08-2003, 07:58 PM
Originally posted by Travis Dane
You're not making #### up i hope? I wouldn't dream of it.

minesweeper
02-08-2003, 08:03 PM
>>That's right, But i assume it's the currency because in general
most (job having) programmers live in the USA.<<

How did you come to that assumption? 18 months ago I worked for a company that operated in many areas. One of these (nothing to do with me) was the recruitment of foreign programmers. Apparently India churns out more programmers than any other country in the world. This is according to their research.

Travis Dane
02-08-2003, 08:07 PM
Originally posted by minesweeper
How did you come to that assumption? 18 months ago I worked for a company that operated in many areas. One of these (nothing to do with me) was the recruitment of foreign programmers. Apparently India churns out more programmers than any other country in the world. This is according to their research.

You're saying india has more actually working (and i'm reffering
to real money making programming asses) programmers than
the USA?

minesweeper
02-08-2003, 08:09 PM
>>You're saying india has more actually working (and i'm reffering
to real money making programming asses) programmers than
the USA?<<

No, I'm simply enquiring as to how you obtained that statistic.

Travis Dane
02-08-2003, 08:12 PM
That's right, But i assume it's the currency because i assume in general

Better? I was under the impression that most programmers live
in the USA because most computer game and software come from
the USA.

Polymorphic OOP
02-08-2003, 08:41 PM
Originally posted by Travis Dane
You're saying india has more actually working (and i'm reffering
to real money making programming asses) programmers than
the USA?

I wouldn't be surprised. There are a lot of peple from india who are programmers that are even hired here in America. A lot of the programmers at Timex in Connecticut are actually from Sabu.

zahid
02-08-2003, 10:13 PM
Originally posted by Eibro
As nvoigt (I think) said in another thread, this value is relative. Commodities and living expenses vary from country to country. A programmer in america could make 100k and spend 50% of that on living expenses. The same programmer in, lets say England could make the equivalent of 75k american and spend 25% of that on living expenses.

Plus the fact you didn't mention what currency you're referring to.

hay... what about if we explain it with %

Home: a%
Food: b%
etc... : c%
.......
Savings: x%

and find a balance equation even considering the per head annual income of the country.

But why should we this..?

Shadow
02-08-2003, 10:15 PM
Originally posted by Travis Dane
With a point after the first... 1.56783 million per year would be nice. :p

dP munky
02-08-2003, 11:19 PM
so i take it a lot of us are either still in school or not programming professionally.

Shadow
02-08-2003, 11:24 PM
> so i take it a lot of us are either still in school or not programming professionally.
I am..not for long though.

But, I'm not aiming to be a programmer anyways. I'm aiming for the technician area.

Although, if you learn programming on your own, and get a decent grasp on the overall concepts..ever other complex technical thing in life seems to be easier. Understand programming? Networking is usually a breeze - same goes for hardware.

I mean hell, nothing compares to programming. Anyways, off topic.

Shiro
02-09-2003, 03:49 AM
You're saying india has more actually working (and i'm reffering
to real money making programming asses) programmers than
the USA?


India has a lot of programmers. A lot of them work in India, but also a lot of them work in the USA and Europe and probably also at other places.

The reason for this was that development in India was cheaper than in USA and Europe. Currently the Indian programmers have realised that they have a high market value and their prices have increased. This is the reason that currently European, perhaps also American, companies are looking to new sources of programmers. A lot of European countries are currently looking at China.

About the salary. As already said by others, that depends heavily on where you live. I earn about 26.000 euro a year, that is about 24.000 US dollars. For an American I think it is not very much, but realise that life in the Netherlands is much cheaper than in America.

ammar
02-09-2003, 04:10 AM
I'm a student, so I'm not making money, I'm causing my parents to pay money( and they pay alot! ).

adrianxw
02-09-2003, 05:44 AM
>>>
because i assume in general most (job having) programmers live in the USA.
<<<

:rolleyes:

>>>
Better? I was under the impression that most programmers live in the USA because most computer game and software come from the USA.
<<<

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

... and the rest of us poor dudes just line up and buy it right!

vasanth
02-09-2003, 06:00 AM
I am an Indian living in India.. next year i am leaving to UK... i know around 20 of my friends who also have plans to go to UK and the US...

Yes India churns out a lot of programmers.

My Hero is Sabeer Batia who founded hotmail.. he sold it to microsoft for a fortune...


Bill Gates even donated $100 Million to India to fight Aids(no idea why not Africa)....

Half of the estimated 420,000 foreign professionals currently working in the United States on H-1B visas are Indian.

THis was a study report of the Indian comunity in the US(mainly IT professionals)

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1.Total Population of the United States 281,421,906
2.Indian American community 1,678,765
3.Percentage of Indian Americans in Asian American population 16.4%
4.Percentage of Indian Americans of the total population of the US 0.6%

The per capita income of the Indian community is currently estimated at US $ 60, 093 compared to the average per capita income of US $ 38, 885. High levels of education have enabled Indo-Americansto become a very productive segment of the US population and to contribute to the unprecedentedeconomic boom of the 90s. More than 87% of Indo-Americans have completed high school while 62% have some college education compared to just over 20% for the US population. The majorityacquired their higher educational qualifications in India, particularly in the engineering and ITsectors, although some have studied in US institutions.

A large number of Indian scientists and engineers work in sensitive US government owned laboratories,including nuclear laboratories. Boeing and NASA employ a significant number of IndianAmericans in their technical work force. It is estimated that 35% of Boeing’s technical workforce is Indian. Amar Bose established the finest acoustics systems company in the world,while Sam Pitroda, CEO of World Tel contributed to the expansion of telecommunicationsin India.(b) Information Technology: About 300,000 Indian Americans work in technology firms inCalifornia’s Silicon Valley. They account for more than 15% of high-tech start-ups and theiraverage annual income is estimated at $200,000. There are around 650 to 700 Indianowned companies in the Silicon Valley, with more appearing every day. The impact by prominent Indians in this field is nothing short of extraordinary.

Vinod Dham, father of the Pentium chip, Sabeer Bhatia, founder of Net based email (Hotmail), Vinod Khosla, KanwalRekhi and K.B. Chandrashekhar, are just some of the illustrious names in this field.


The list of Indians who have made it to the top is impressive (in the next section the contributionof successful Indians who have engaged in substantial philanthropic work in India is discussed).Some of the luminaries are - Sanjiv Sidhu and Ken Sharma of i2 technologies; Ajay Shah andMukesh Patel of Smart Modular, Romesh Wadhwani of Aspect, Naveen Jain of InfoSpace, SanjayKumar of Computer Associates, Mukesh Chatter of Nexabit Networks. Steve Sanghi of Microchip,Vinod Gupta of InfoUSA and Steve Sanghi, chairman and CEO of Microchip Technologies. Indians hold the top posts at Citibank and Lucent Technologies’ Bell Labs – IIT alumni Arun Netravalli isthe President of Bell Labs and Arun Kripalani - Senior Vice President of Qualcomm. 2 hi-techmagazines have been launched just for the high-tech Indian community – SiliconIndia andTechMantra – while websites proliferate.. The success and achievements of Indian Americans have also attracted the attention of major multinationals to India’s potential in the IT sector. Thus India is today one of the few, if not the only, developing country which has attracted investment not in one, but scores of R & D centreswholly funded and established by reputed MNCs like GE, CISCO, Sun Microsystems, Microsoft,IBM, Hughes Software, etc. Intel’s R&D centres in Delhi, Bangalore and Mumbai service itsglobal operations. Oracle has two development centres, in Bangalore and Hyderabad; SunMicrosystems is doubling its Indian investments. Texas Instruments reportedly applied forseveral patents in the US based on the work on integrated circuits and software at its Bangalorecentre. Phoenix, ABB, IBM, America Online (AOL) and Chase are in the process of settingup new R&D centres. Lucent Technologies and Microsoft are in India. Bill Gates hasreportedly referred to India as an “IT superpower”. India’s fame in IT has spread to Asian countriestraditionally wary of investing in India.
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well something i should be proud of...

Shiro
02-09-2003, 07:37 AM
>Bill Gates even donated $100 Million to India to fight Aids(no
>idea why not Africa)....

I think Bill Gates feels more concerned with India, he has a lot of people working there and a lot of Indian people working in the US for him. People usually are more concerned with the situation in countries if they know people from those countries or have visited those countries and seen the situations.

Travis Dane
02-09-2003, 09:17 AM
Originally posted by Shadow
1.56783 million per year would be nice. :p

Haha, Yeah, But as the american calculation way was used in
the poll, I used it on you. If you live in America paste a point
behind the first number, If you live in Europe paste a comma
behind the first number.

CompiledMonkey
02-09-2003, 10:27 AM
I'm a student but I do manage to work 20 hours a week. I'm moving away from that role because of my consulting work. I can make twice my current wage every hour and work from home or in the labs at school. I'll probably end up making the same amount of money, but I'll only work for about half the year. :p

alpha
02-09-2003, 11:05 AM
I am a student, but I plan to be a comp. engineer.

Silvercord
02-09-2003, 08:03 PM
I found a dollar on my floor once while programming, does that count?

nvoigt
02-10-2003, 07:07 AM
As nvoigt (I think) said in another thread, this value is relative.


Exactly. Example: My Ex paid a set sum to live with her roommate. I pay half the sum to live on my own, having as much space as hers with a bath and kitchen only for me. Neither price is unfair for the conditions and countries. You simply cannot compare single numbers.

minesweeper
02-10-2003, 07:18 AM
The difference in value of money even changes within the same country. I lived in Manchester, North England for 8 months last year and I became mates with a guy up there who owned a house about 3 miles from the city centre. This house ws only small but it cost him £55,000. Now I am back living in London, South England where I study. I live right out on the outskirts of London and even here, £55,000 won't buy you a delapidated shed with a leaky roof and smashed window panes.

dP munky
02-12-2003, 02:14 PM
blunt, but he's got a point, i used to live in indianapolis(Indiana) where you could live on 30-50,000 a year, and now that im in redmond(washington)30-50,000 is what a freaking metro bus driver makes....cost of living does change from city to city, i was just curious, how much people made in the year REGARDLESS of cost of living etc.