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Luigi
02-06-2003, 08:10 PM
Hi.
I was just wondering why there was no board for mac programming in platform specific boards section..?

Dont tell me Im the only one in the whole world who programs for mac???

Luigi :p

napkin111
02-06-2003, 08:29 PM
Hmm...I'm **cough**mac sux**cough** not sure...

Govtcheez
02-06-2003, 08:31 PM
Originally posted by napkin111
Hmm...I'm **cough**mac sux**cough** not sure... Troll-tastic!

The only reason there's not a Mac board is because there hasn't been hardly any demand for one (Yours is the first request I can remember seeing for one, but I'm probably wrong). If the demand was there, I'm sure there'd be one.

Luigi
02-06-2003, 08:49 PM
could pc-mac war stay off this topic plz?

Im not saying what I think about pc plz do the same for cause this would take this topic another direction and it would probably never end...

and I am so ?%$& tired of that

give me a break.

the only statement that everyone will agree on is that I have my reasons to prefer mac and u have yours.

plz stay focused...

Luigi

Govtcheez
02-07-2003, 07:16 AM
> plz stay focused...

I did, and I answered your question.

napkin111
02-07-2003, 09:10 AM
My apologies... What is so good about macs? Are there any huge differences between them and PCs? (not bashing, just curious)

//napKIN

dynamic_cast
02-07-2003, 03:15 PM
Huge difference? Nah. Both computers...both turring(sp?) complete...if it can be programmed on one, it can be on the other. PC has more support, more software...artists generally seem to prefer Macs...one *better* than the other? Not per say...just different. Macs use a more elegant, generally faster RISC architecture, while the PC uses the more ugly CISC/RISC, backwards compatible, crazy, monster x86 architecture. But they've poured so much into it that its staying a good distance ahead of the powerPC.

I use PC's because they are the standard. Why most people use them. Just easier. I don't think it's better than the mac...just a different machine with more support. Oh yeah...Macs look cool...though I prefer the tech look to their stylistic look.

Luigi
02-07-2003, 04:19 PM
You know Ive been a mac fan since the start.
I had my first mac 1987 I think..
At that time mac was better for sure..
Or at least I believed it..

I have been one of strongest defender of macs in the past years..

But after all those years I have come to a conclusion..

all data used to compare macs and pc were made by either mac fans or pc fans..
and most of the time they'd either cheated or reveal their opinion throught the results..
Of course mac fans said mac was better in everything and the opposite for pc fans..

But today in 2003 the gap between both computers has become very little..

Mac os X is VERY stable havent restarted my 3 macs over the past 3 months. I use those macs for c++ some 3d and mostly recording music.
But in the other hand I heard xp was pretty close to os X ,if not equivalent. (Altought that came from a pc user)

Also most of the time mac fans rage that macs are faster and better for graphics and music.
I still agree that mac is better on music. Pc is getting closer for graphics. But I still think mac is better. As for the speed.. Well.. with the outcoming of pentium 4 with 2.0 ghz and over..
Im not very sure the gap is large. (Of course apple say they are still way faster... can we trust them? I dunno..)

As for the support issue..
you can use virtual pc on a mac. With this you can use everything from pc on your mac even windows , games, ... everything!

Now, knowing this; should you go directly to the store and buy a a brand new mac? For most of you out there I SAY NO!

why?

mac cost AT LEAST 3 times more.
(thats the only thing I HATE from mac)

If you play games or use microsoft office buy a pc will do just great.

In the other hand, if your are a professional graphist or music composer. I think mac is for you.

well thats it..

Luigi
(hope this close the subject on mac vs pc)

face_master
02-07-2003, 04:32 PM
ok, luigi, if you want to code just some terminal apps, you use plain C/C++ and compile in terminal (I cant remember how, try a mac channel on IRC) and it will create an a.out file just like in Linux. Now if you want to code GUI apps, Id recommend the Cocoa API using C/Objective-C. For that you'd need to use the Developers studio that comes in Mac OSX

RoD
02-07-2003, 04:32 PM
>>mac programming

::shiver:: the evil is stong with this one!

>>mac cost AT LEAST 3 times more.

To make up for the lack of sales

>>But in the other hand I heard xp was pretty close to os X ,if not equivalent.

I disagree, i think XP owns os x, by alot, and in no way is it equivalent.

>>But today in 2003 the gap between both computers has become very little..

Again i disagree. There are many reasons aside from popularity that keep pc high high above the macintosh, i will gladly go into more detail if you would like.

>>all data used to compare macs and pc were made by either mac fans or pc fans..
and most of the time they'd either cheated or reveal their opinion throught the results..
Of course mac fans said mac was better in everything and the opposite for pc fans..

ATI vs nVidia, AMD vs Intel, Mac vs PC.....its all the same like that.

>>Also most of the time mac fans rage that macs are faster and better for graphics and music.
I still agree that mac is better on music.

How so? I feel that the pc is a fast and excellent machine for music, and is just as capable if not more capable as a macintosh.

>>Pc is getting closer for graphics. But I still think mac is better.

Closer to what? The pc has been ahead of mac in the graphics department for a LONG time, and macs not really catching up. So who are we catching up to? It surely isn't mac!

>>As for the speed.. Well.. with the outcoming of pentium 4 with 2.0 ghz and over..

3.06GHZ for those who don't know, and AMD can't be far behind.

>>Im not very sure the gap is large. (Of course apple say they are still way faster... can we trust them? I dunno..)

Faster in what? I don't think so.

>>you can use virtual pc on a mac. With this you can use everything from pc on your mac even windows , games, ... everything!

They had to do this to make the mac an appealing machine :D

Now i'm not saying macs suck, i have used them and they are OK machines, but not near a pc imo. The mac is to the pc world what the lions are to NFL. They're there, just not popular for some good reasons(sorry govt had too :P )

face_master
02-07-2003, 04:34 PM
Originally posted by Luigi
You know Ive been a mac fan since the start.
I had my first mac 1987 I think..
At that time mac was better for sure..
Or at least I believed it..

I have been one of strongest defender of macs in the past years..

But after all those years I have come to a conclusion..

all data used to compare macs and pc were made by either mac fans or pc fans..
and most of the time they'd either cheated or reveal their opinion throught the results..
Of course mac fans said mac was better in everything and the opposite for pc fans..

But today in 2003 the gap between both computers has become very little..

Mac os X is VERY stable havent restarted my 3 macs over the past 3 months. I use those macs for c++ some 3d and mostly recording music.
But in the other hand I heard xp was pretty close to os X ,if not equivalent. (Altought that came from a pc user)

Also most of the time mac fans rage that macs are faster and better for graphics and music.
I still agree that mac is better on music. Pc is getting closer for graphics. But I still think mac is better. As for the speed.. Well.. with the outcoming of pentium 4 with 2.0 ghz and over..
Im not very sure the gap is large. (Of course apple say they are still way faster... can we trust them? I dunno..)

As for the support issue..
you can use virtual pc on a mac. With this you can use everything from pc on your mac even windows , games, ... everything!

Now, knowing this; should you go directly to the store and buy a a brand new mac? For most of you out there I SAY NO!

why?

mac cost AT LEAST 3 times more.
(thats the only thing I HATE from mac)

If you play games or use microsoft office buy a pc will do just great.

In the other hand, if your are a professional graphist or music composer. I think mac is for you.

well thats it..

Luigi
(hope this close the subject on mac vs pc) You're talking about Pc's, mate. Not windows. Why were no Unix-based OS's mentioned?

RoD
02-07-2003, 04:48 PM
Originally posted by face_master
You're talking about Pc's, mate. Not windows. Why were no Unix-based OS's mentioned?

I know windows enough to make those comments, i don't know nix well enough to make a correct comparison.

-KEN-
02-07-2003, 05:45 PM
Probably because *nix isn't a big enough market to be worthy of mention

(now THAT'S troll-tastic! :))

napkin111
02-07-2003, 06:36 PM
RoD disurbin' da peace!!
Yeah I agree but I haven't really used mac so I can't say it for sure...

//napKIN

RoD
02-07-2003, 08:15 PM
>>RoD disurbin' da peace!!


what else is new :P

dynamic_cast
02-07-2003, 08:44 PM
I've never been one for those emulators. I like speed, and architecture emulation makes my kickass computer that much worse...I'm crazy like that, won't even use object bar or any of that crap.

Macs didn't compete with the pc for one simple reason: the ibm pc could be made by any company who wanted. Apple has kept everything in house. Bad move. They did a short thing where they let another company make one or two of them...but they shut that down quick. SO you have a ton of companies competeing with each other, driving prices down on the pc side. The Mac, with no competetion, stays on the wayside.

It prob does have a better pc...many think...obviously more elegant...but IBM and Motorola have not advanced it as fast as Intel. It is faster at lower speeds...but those speeds just arn't high enough. Apple is thinking of jumping ship on the whole IBM/Motorla deal.

Other than that....I think OSX is a great OS. One of apples best moves. Windows XP is pretty nice too...though I liked 2000 a bit more.

As far as one doing picture or sound better....the differences are almost too ridiculus to matter.

JoeSixpack
02-07-2003, 08:53 PM
>I like speed, and architecture emulation makes my kickass computer that much worse...I'm crazy like that, won't even use object bar or any of that crap.<

The next most significant bottleneck is the user.;)

>The Mac, with no competetion, stays on the wayside.<

This may be true; but could the two have survived if apple had chosen differently? No matter how small (or how crap the hardware) apple have dug themeselves a niche.

>Windows XP is pretty nice too...though I liked 2000 a bit more.<

What did 2000 have more of, that you liked?

dynamic_cast
02-07-2003, 09:37 PM
"No matter how small (or how crap the hardware) apple have dug themeselves a niche."

Thats true...though mabye they would have gotton a niche anyway. Who knows...I'm just saying it's why it can't compete. Mabye it was a better business move if they didn't have a chance competeing anyway.

I liked 2000 better...because it's basically offered me the same functionality...but it seemed quick and more responsive (those lesser hardware requirments) and it actually crashed less for me. I know XP offers more to some...but it hasn't to me. 2000 stoped a few of my games from running...but games arn't a priorty with me.