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Carp
01-29-2003, 10:05 PM
I think I am really dumb. It taked me a really long time to learn things and if I read abook, I wouldn't be able to tell you anything about it, I dont understand what I read. I know VB. it took me over a year to get the basics down. I am going on a year and a half and still cant write anything technical. I have been studying C++ for about 2 weeks, and all I can do it print text. In school, I can sit there in class, pay attention, and then fail a test (w/o studying) but other kids dont have to do homework or study because their test grade is enough to let them pass.

Krak
01-29-2003, 10:13 PM
Carp, I'm not going to lie to you:


















Well, c'ya around!:D

Eibro
01-29-2003, 10:22 PM
Perhaps programming is not your forte?
(I'm much too lazy to look up the accented e)

xds4lx
01-29-2003, 10:28 PM
Not to sound mean but some people just cant grasp it. C++ is a hard language to learn exspecially as a first language (we dont count VB as programming). Why not try something a little easier like pascal or java?

OneStiffRod
01-29-2003, 11:05 PM
U need just one thing, a swift kick to the ASS my friend - the reason u r taking so long is b/c your not motivated - sit down and read a 1000+ page book on C++ and then read another - I guarantee you'll get it.

Turn off the TV dude, also u know what I just found out is that I am WAY more productive when I don't have access to the internet. Now I unplug the internet jack from my laptop and I am amazed at how much stuff I got done, instead of spending time on this site or checking out other sites I can actually work...

--Lastly, school is about the easiest damn thing in the world - this is the lesson i learned when I was in school and it applies even in college - if u do the homework u r guaranteed a 'B' if not an 'A'. It's all about HW, it counts towards your grade but it also prepares you for quizes and tests. I suspect the reason u r not good in school is b/c u r a lazy person and that is also the same reason u haven't picked up C++ yet.

Don't mean to be harsh but u needed it *** Mod edit *** .

TechWins
01-29-2003, 11:13 PM
I agree with OSR, except maybe not as harsh words as his lol. It really is true, though, that turning off all distractions helps a lot. I know whenever I'm online I never get anything done, but as soon as I get offline I can program for a long time. It's a matter of keeping your concentration on one thing.

Panopticon
01-29-2003, 11:38 PM
That's quite contradictory because a person having the ability to self-critisize cant be "dumb" in a general sense.


Originally posted by Eibro
Perhaps programming is not your forte?


There is that possibility, or, a more likely one is that you aren't motivated. Set yourself challenges within your scope. I cant stress self discipline enough. [making me quite a hipocrit :p ]

Worst case scenario: even if you are a little slow, it can quite easily be compensated with a little hardwork. That's how I see it.
Like at school, there really isn't a direct proportion between naturally smart people and high achievers. I have friends that I can tell they are very smart but are addicted to games, and their life revolves around them coughwarcraft3cough. Then there are those who roll clean, [study alot, get a mark between dazzling and dull] and never get the teacher ........ed.

I cant say that for myself, Im dumb as when it comes to humanitarian subjects like english but I seem to find logical subjects like math naturally easy. My point is, natural intelligence is no co-efficient to ones ability. It all depends on the situation at hand.

[btw blondes are dumber :D haha jk lol]

PJYelton
01-30-2003, 10:11 AM
Something else to keep in mind is, do you even enjoy programming or are you just doing it because you think you should? Enjoying something makes a huge impact on how quickly you learn it, and maybe programming just doesn't stimulate you. If not, I'd recommend finding what it is that you enjoy and then learning that inside and out.

Travis Dane
01-30-2003, 10:51 AM
You need to think in a certain logic to be capable of programming.
This is getting more and more important on an higher and higher
level programming language. I think almost eveyone can program
a BASIC language like QuickBasic, but it takes skill to program
big orginized high level programs.

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Just a side note, not being a good programming doesn't mean
that you're dumb so please fellow members, don't tell he is cause
you don't know **** about him.

hk_mp5kpdw
01-30-2003, 11:09 AM
Not to sound insulting or anything like that, but one possiblity is you could have a mild form of some learning disability. Does your family have any history of things such as dyslexia/attention deficit disorder, brain chemistry imbalances?

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01-30-2003, 11:50 AM
summary of important statements:

>Turn off the TV dude

america hasnt heard this statement enough. TV puts your brain in a relaxed state and distracts your senses, so that when you finally get up from TV you feel tired and unfulfilled. try reading instead. i know it sounds cliche, but reading engages more of your mind than television, giving a more satisfying experience.

>Enjoying something makes a huge impact on how quickly you learn it

this is something that may be hard to swallow but you need to come to grips with. if you really dont like it, your mind doesnt consider it important, and facts you learn about it are readily discarded. it may sound cool to be an uber programmer, but its equally as cool to be a famous writer/musician or a successful businessman or a doctor. or maybe computers are your field, but the fickle realm of programming isnt your thing. how about taking electronics or physics for a spin...

>C++ is a hard language to learn

especially at the beginning. it took me a couple weeks to get the basics (very little prior programming experience) but once i got past the initial hump i could create my own basic text programs. there are other humps along the way, and you should be prepared for them.

the first hump is just the language itself. second hump is the more advanced features such as classes and what not. then windows programming and possibly the graphics end of it (openGL, directx) if gaming is what youre going for.

stop reading books and start programming. the more you do it the quicker you will learn (thats from my own experience at least).

>you could have a mild form of ... dyslexia/attention deficit disorder, [or] brain chemistry imbalances

a problem i can relate to. i was diagnosed with ADD at a young age but didnt know it until recently. its answered a lot of questions about the disparity between my potential and what i have accomplished. ive tried to solve it on my own with no medication but so far that has been unsuccessful. maybe you should do a little research on the symptoms and see if perhaps this is whats causing your problem.


and dont feel bad because youre not learning at a supercharged pace. i know i am a smart person but i, myself, feel dumb when trying to learn something like C++ without having any background in it. if its something you really want to do, stick with it. only study when youre wide awake and not distracted. keep your goal in mind: what do you want to do with your programming. and...i dunno... make some flash cards or something. there are 1001 ways to learn, but you have to start with the desire...

Travis Dane
01-30-2003, 12:23 PM
Originally posted by xds4lx
C++ is a hard language to learn.

Opinion!
Really, it isn't THAT hard. If you're good at programming and
put much effort in it, it's easy.

Shiro
01-30-2003, 12:32 PM
Some people are good at things like math or programming, others are good at languages, economics, politics and that kind of things. It doesn't mean that a politician can't learn programming, but his talents are in a different field than someone good at programming. It also doesn't mean your dumb, it is possible that programming is just not the thing you are most talented at. There probably are other things which you can do better than a good programmer can.

Carp
01-30-2003, 03:39 PM
I LOVE to program. Only small things, that I can do. I don't usually watch TV. only befre I goto bed for like an hour. My family is all smart, my sister gratuated 8th in her class. I think my worst problem is my comprehenstion (sorry for spelling). I don't understant what I read. Although I understand a book my teacher had in wngligh for hte last 2 weeks (book on tape)

civix
01-30-2003, 03:55 PM
Sure youer not! If your just having some trouble learning C++, that doesnt mean your dumb. You just might need to try harder.

alpha
01-30-2003, 03:58 PM
Well, the best thing to do is keep reading. This will help you understand what you are reading, if you read more. Don't try reading too fast; take it slower, and at a pace where you will be able to understand the material. Does it take you a long time to read? I know it is an old cliché, but practice makes perfect. The best way to improve reading comprehension is to keep reading. Also, you may one to try and quiz yourself, help you retain information.

Yes, there are other kids that do not need to do homework or study, but this is other kids. If it doesn't apply to you, don't try it. Find what way best works for you, and stick to it. Different people learn differently and and different paces, so you'll just have to find what works best for you.

You have potential for being smart, you are not dumb. Try not to compare yourself to others, I know it is hard, but everyone is smart in their own way and in their own right.

There really isn't any family genetics to being smart; however, this doesn't mean you are dumb because the rest of your family is smart. It just takes discipline and a plan of attack.

I know I've reiterated finding a way that works for you, but this is the key to success. Ways that work for others may not work for you. Good luck!

Travis Dane
01-30-2003, 06:42 PM
I rock in programming but have just 1 problem, I demand TOTAL
structerization, really, if my program even looks a liiiiitle bit messy
i trash it. Sounds weird but its so.