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01-24-2003, 02:38 PM
ok, let me begin by saying i do not know

S.Q.U.A.T.

about linux, nor unix, nor any of its siblings.


with that out of the way, i have been instructed to format one of our shop computers, install linux, and set it up as a webserver.

my first question is: what is the best version of linux, and where can i get it?

second, how do i go about installing it and setting it up, and what are some of the things to be watchful of when installing and setting up?

third, i know about as much about making webservers as i do about linux itself.


we already have redhat 6.0 on a CD here at the shop, and my boss is wanting to use that one for various reasons. he wants to stick with redhat because it is probably the most popular version of linux, and he has already paid for this version of it (came with a book) so we have some referance for support.


any help would be greatly appreciated.

Leeman_s
01-24-2003, 02:45 PM
How about you plop the CD into the CD-ROM drive, restart computer, hit F2 while it's booting up, go over to the Boot tab, set the boot order to start with your CD-ROM drive, and follow the instructions.

With Red Hat it's REALLY easy. There is even an install class that's called "Server".

Govtcheez
01-24-2003, 02:47 PM
> With Red Hat it's REALLY easy.

Yeah, ... (I just realized how much I unintentionally say your name), just look at how successful leeman's been!

codingmaster
01-24-2003, 02:49 PM
Best Linux:

personal usage: Redhat, Mandrake (both simple to install)

Server: Gentoo, Slackware (Gentoo: extreme hard installation for newbies, Slackware -> hard installation)

Server: (High Security) Debian (hard installation)


Best Webserver: Apache (normal installation, easy to config)
Supports lots of modules: PHP, Perl, mod_ASP, mysql, mod_ssl.....


www.isolinux.org (ISO images)
www.redhat.com
www.gentoo.org
www.mandrake.com
www.slackware.org
www.debian.org
www.linux.org
http://www.linuxnewbie.org/

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01-24-2003, 03:00 PM
thanks guys, im formatting now.

wish me luck.

Vber
01-24-2003, 03:00 PM
personal usage: Redhat, Mandrake (both simple to install)

Not exactly correct, Mandrake is better for noobs, and you forgot to add the most used distro in Europe, SuSE, and it's great for noobs too, and I still think, Mdk beats Rh. And Slackware is perfectly well for personal use too, not too difficult installation.




Server: Gentoo, Slackware (Gentoo: extreme hard installation for newbies, Slackware -> hard installation)

Gentoo, indeed, extremely difficult installation (for noobs), and dont worth all this, and just like I said, slackware installation, it's not so difficult.




Supports lots of modules: PHP, Perl, mod_ASP, mysql, mod_ssl.....
Mod Asp, sucks, no because it's asp, but the support is poor, really poor.

Juse like you said, a respected distro and really high security, support, packages, open-source, go to Debian, just, perfect.

codingmaster
01-24-2003, 03:03 PM
@Vber
right...


SuSE SUCKZ

SuSE=no security, stupid, can't describe, it's a real ****ty distrobo

I don't like it!

Vber
01-24-2003, 03:06 PM
SuSE, sucks?
Ohh, I guess you're talking without any experience with it.
Funny, most of home-users (europe), use SuSE as their OS, it's great of noobs, nice gui, easy installation, really good support, what more you want from an distro, that should be to noob-users? You cannot expect that SuSE should be an Debian or Slack from the life...

codingmaster
01-24-2003, 03:12 PM
I've worked 2 moths with SuSE and it still sucks.
Now I'm working with Redhat and Debian, sometimes with Mandrake.

But SuSE suckz!!!!!!!!!!!!!
SuSE is like void main(void) :D :D :D

Govtcheez
01-24-2003, 03:15 PM
Originally posted by codingmaster
@Vber
right...


SuSE SUCKZ

SuSE=no security, stupid, can't describe, it's a real ****ty distrobo

I don't like it! You have anger management problems. I suggest a relaxing massage or a short vacation.

RoD
01-24-2003, 03:15 PM
does anyone stfw or at least the boards anymore.....or at least not post something thats been discussed for almost a week straight in 300 different topics?

Vber
01-24-2003, 03:15 PM
As a 4 years unix user, I'am telling you that SuSE for personal use, it's one of the best distros, you can think whatever you want, and I respect that :)

Hmm, my opinion:
Best distro for server: Debian if we're talking about Linux, and AIX if we're talking about *nix.

Best desktop distro: Linux Slackware or Linux Mandrake.

Brian
01-25-2003, 05:09 AM
I'm no expert, but in the field of servers it seems:
FreeBSD > Linux

Vber
01-25-2003, 05:43 AM
Originally posted by Brian
I'm no expert, but in the field of servers it seems:
FreeBSD > Linux

If we're talking about *nix, I suggest for servers AIX or CiSCO, this two *nix, are superb for servers.

And be sure, FreeBSD against an Debian well configurated by an experient admin, it's the same thing or still, debian is better.

But Linxu against AIX or CISCO in security, it's nothing :)
You can see this in zone-h.

foniks munkee
01-25-2003, 05:46 AM
FreeBSD > Linux

Agreed - it is probably not ideal for a beginner though, and it is probable that you will be able to get greater support for Linux.

Incidently, when I first started running FreeBSD at work, it used to be able to outperform Linux running Linux apps in Linux emulation mode. It has a far supperior memory management system than Linux which is probably why it is favoured for server applications.

Scourfish
01-25-2003, 03:39 PM
play around with demolinux (http://www.demolinux.org) or knoppix (http://www.knoppix.de) first, as they are bootable cd distros.

ZerOrDie
01-25-2003, 11:16 PM
no distro is secure by default give debian to an idiot and it will be just as open as a pc running 50 outdated deamons...

and honnestly i dont know why people seem to think the install for debian is hard... actually its pretty damn easy...

Vber
01-25-2003, 11:41 PM
no distro is secure by default give debian to an idiot and it will be just as open as a pc running 50 outdated deamons...

Right, I told this, the admin have to be an experient one.


and honnestly i dont know why people seem to think the install for debian is hard... actually its pretty damn easy...

The installation it's not 'damn easy' for new people.
But after installing, all it's easy, the package manager is one of the best there is.

zahid
01-25-2003, 11:41 PM
Difficulty of Installing any OS depends on the experience, efficiency, knowledge of the guy trying and features to install and the OS itself.

When the installation process ask you so many questions, and you don't know the answer or even don't understand the question, in that case installing Win2000 server is difficult. And installing RH 8.0 is pretty easy.

I installed
Red Hat 5.2, 6.0, 7.1, 8.0
Slackware 3.6, 4.0, 7.0, 8.0
Mandrake 6.2, 9.0

Windows 3.11, 95, 98, 2000, XP
Windows NT 3.0, 4.0, 5.0

From all those experiences, I found installing and working with Slackware is difficult.
Here working with Slackware is because of my job, and I'm with it since 1999. You have to configure it, you have to make it work.

In case of Red Hat, I used it for proxy and web server only. It's my first Linux installation. You know it was tough, I tried thrice at my first night in 1996. and last time I forgot root password. I had to install again. I guess it was 5.2.

Now I'm using Red Hat 8.0 as my workstation. Though I found Mandrake easy with lots of features and easy configuration.

So, it's better to listen first before making any comment.

ammar
01-26-2003, 12:43 AM
It seems that there is a linux fever here, and it seems that it's affecting me also, I'm thinking of installing linux, and give it a try...

Vber
01-26-2003, 07:41 AM
Difficulty of Installing any OS depends on the experience, efficiency, knowledge of the guy trying and features to install and the OS itself.

Right, but in this thread I guess the guy that asked do not know a lot about linux, because this, he asked a simple question.




When the installation process ask you so many questions, and you don't know the answer or even don't understand the question, in that case installing Win2000 server is difficult. And installing RH 8.0 is pretty easy.
Right, always rh and mdk were both easy to install.

About what you installed, I installed 3X. Not just linux distro's, I work with AIX and CiSCO, nice OS :)



From all those experiences, I found installing and working with Slackware is difficult.
Some people think and some not, I think it's easy to install, not as mdk or rh, but still easy.




Here working with Slackware is because of my job, and I'm with it since 1999. You have to configure it, you have to make it work.
Damn right, to get slack running well, you'll need to configure every thing, every.

zahid
01-26-2003, 11:06 PM
Hmm.. so, you worked with Slackware in details too. Happy that you got the point.