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face_master
01-13-2003, 01:42 AM
Retarded (http://australianit.news.com.au/articles/0,7204,5831692%5E15321%5E%5Enbv%5E15306,00.html).

They think that they can stop plagerism with this software? The only way it could work is if it just compares the entire paper against every site on the internet. Papers are usualyy submitted by paper, so it would take for ages to types out a students entrie assignment again and then scanning it (which would be impossible anyway). In the end, it doesn't make any difference becuase most people change the wording after copying/pasting it.

ammar
01-13-2003, 01:46 AM
Ofcourse they cann't stop it, they might stop some of it but not the whole thing... Not in a million years!


They cann't stop any kind of cheating...

OneStiffRod
01-13-2003, 01:58 AM
They have other software like this at universities in the US, it compares past assignments and using a DB from a site that monitors online cheating sites. It gives back a percentage of how similar a document is to other docs. U will only be able to catch the REALLY DUMB ppl b/c they will just turn in assignment with very little changes - but u must think that given a set outline and years of assingments ALL papers will have a more than 90% relation to each other.

SilentStrike
01-13-2003, 02:00 AM
At least they can put a dent in the cheating, so the honest people aren't hurt as much.

ammar
01-13-2003, 02:02 AM
Originally posted by OneStiffRod
They have other software like this at universities in the US, it compares past assignments and using a DB from a site that monitors online cheating sites. It gives back a percentage of how similar a document is to other docs. U will only be able to catch the REALLY DUMB ppl b/c they will just turn in assignment with very little changes - but u must think that given a set outline and years of assingments ALL papers will have a more than 90% relation to each other.

You are right, if this was not done properly some people who are not cheating might be thought of as cheaters!

nvoigt
01-13-2003, 05:17 AM
They will catch the dumb cheaters. After all, that is what exams are meant to be... sorting out the dumb ones :D

jessie23
01-13-2003, 08:17 AM
they have antiplagerism software at our school that they are using. they have us type an papers we have to turn in, and turn in another copy on a floppy. then they can use the floppy copy ( :D ) to scan for plagerism. whether or not it works i dont know, nor am willing to try and find out.

Aran
01-13-2003, 02:50 PM
>> u must think that given a set outline and years of assingments ALL papers will have a more than 90% relation to each other.

I'd like to see you find someone else who has written an essay comparing John SHaft to the ideal knight :p

Waldo2k2
01-13-2003, 03:28 PM
>>They think that they can stop plagerism with this software?

i think it's really stupid to implement any system of that type at the high school level. At that level the student is only hurting him/herself. I think that students should be able to cheat their way through stuff like that if it means the diff between graduating or not. I'm a firm beilever that EVERYONE should graduate from high school (or at least a GED), whether that means having to cheat to do it or not...that may sound bad, but you can't go anywhere in life if you didn't get a high school education. If you were an administrator, would you feel like cracking down on a kid like that, and possibly keeping them from graduating? Putting them in a serious low paying job (if they can even get that)? I think with the way that education requirements are going up, all kids should be allowed to graduate from high school (i don't mean purposely pass them, but don't expel them on stupid stuff like the above, unless it's blatent, the cross comparison for like papers shouldn't be an active venture). College is the only place where I would say this is a good idea, because college diploma's will put you in higher paying jobs, you shouldn't be allowed to just walk into those.

But that's just my opinion.

face_master
01-13-2003, 07:37 PM
they have antiplagerism software at our school that they are using. they have us type an papers we have to turn in, and turn in another copy on a floppy. then they can use the floppy copy ( ) to scan for plagerism. whether or not it works i dont know, nor am willing to try and find out.I would say that I have a mac, dont have the internet and cant afford it. Id also say that I dont understand PC's and if they made me use one id type really slow asking questions every 15 seconds.

RoD
01-13-2003, 07:46 PM
>>think plagerism(sp) has increased over the last 10 - 20 years



ya think?

itld
01-13-2003, 09:32 PM
howdy,
no kidding they really use this kind of stuff?
next thing you know they will be comparing my bids and proposals to an international data base of contractors to see if i have copied someone elses pricing and methods of construction.

M.R.

MethodMan
01-13-2003, 09:38 PM
Well if students have to hand in copies on disks, they would have to provide adequate classes and resources for students to be able to submit files this way.

People plagerise in HS, because they know the rules arent that strict. Once University/College come around, if you are caught, cya later, no questions asked.

The people marking your essays have a vast knowledge of the subject they are teaching. If you copy something, they may in fact know the exact reference you got it.

Klinerr1
01-13-2003, 09:44 PM
Originally posted by face_master
Retarded (http://australianit.news.com.au/articles/0,7204,5831692%5E15321%5E%5Enbv%5E15306,00.html).

They think that they can stop plagerism with this software? The only way it could work is if it just compares the entire paper against every site on the internet. Papers are usualyy submitted by paper, so it would take for ages to types out a students entrie assignment again and then scanning it (which would be impossible anyway). In the end, it doesn't make any difference becuase most people change the wording after copying/pasting it.

plagerism is like piracy you cant stop it no matter what you do there is a way to do it. you know smoking pot is against the US law, some US citizens still smoke it. all you can do is hold it back some

Brian
01-14-2003, 02:20 AM
Originally posted by Klinerr1
you know smoking pot is against the US law, some US citizens still smoke it.

Dear God! why wasn't I informed?

face_master
01-14-2003, 02:55 AM
>> Dear God! why wasn't I informed?

Like that would make any difference :rolleyes: